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trilby22
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General Soleimani was a nasty Iranian imperialist. But what was the point of killing him?

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/01/03/on-the-assassination-of-soleimani/
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No one should weep over the death of General Qasem Soleimani, who was killed, alongside other Iran-backed militia men, in a US drone attack at Baghdad airport. He was no hero. No spearhead of anti-US imperialism. Rather, he was a ruthless, brutal part of Iran’s ruthless, brutal ruling elite. He did nothing that was not in the interests of the Islamic Republic.

After all, that was the point of Revolutionary Guards’ Quds force, which Soleimani led with strategic and murderous aplomb from 1998 onwards – namely, to defend the Iranian regime through an expansion of its regional and international power. Rivals were assassinated, and allies were armed. The result is a network that extends throughout the Middle East, and sometimes beyond, of militias and political factions who fight the Iranian regime’s external opponents.

Think of Hezbollah in Lebanon. Or the Houthis in Yemen. Or the Badr Organisation in Iraq. This transnational, largely Shia militancy is arguably Iran’s greatest military and political achievement. And it is in no small part due to the role of Soleimani. No wonder John Maguire, a former CIA officer in Iraq, once called him ‘the single most powerful operative in the Middle East today’.

It is all quite impressive militarily and strategically. Hence the countless surreptitiously fawning Western profiles of the ‘shadowy’ Soleimani. But that shouldn’t blind those now unthinkingly mourning Soleimani’s passing to his purpose: to pursue the Iranian regime’s self-preservation through regional expansion. Hence, when Soleimani’s foreign interests were threatened, as they have been recently in Lebanon and Iraq, he thought nothing of ordering the proxy militias to attack or open fire on Lebanese or Iraqi civilians. Indeed, such was Soleimani’s commitment to the Supreme Leader that, in 1999, he urged a brutal military crackdown on Iranian student protesters demanding more freedoms.

Even his fight against ISIS in Syria and Iraq was merely a means to an end. In Syria, it was to shore up the regime of ally Bashar al-Assad, and keep open a supply route to Hezbollah; in Iraq, it was about entrenching Iranian influence yet further in the Iraqi state.

His death, then, is no occasion for mourning, as the many who have suffered at his proxies’ hands within and without Iran will attest.

And yet while his death itself should not trouble us, its manner should. The US effectively executed a significant state figure in another national territory, and it did so without congressional consultation, without strategic consideration, and without much in the way of actual political thought.

It was all too typical of America’s Trump First approach to international relations. Trump, having freed himself of dissenting or moderating advisers, and having hollowed out the official decision-making processes, didn’t seem to feel the need to consult. He barely explained, save for a tweet featuring the US flag, and a perfunctory statement from the Pentagon. He just acted impulsively, from his easily irritated gut.

Yes, there was provocation, in the shape of the Iran-backed militia group Kataib Hezbollah attacking the US embassy in Baghdad this week. But then, Iran has been needling the US for the past six months, shooting down an American surveillance drone and seizing oil tankers in the Gulf. The US refrained from attacking the Iranian state then, so what’s the difference now? Incredibly, it appears to have been a tweet from the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s English-language Twitter account, in which he goaded Trump, saying ‘You can’t do anything’.

And so Trump decided to prove him wrong. Because that’s what strong, decisive leaders do when taunted by Bad Guys.

It makes for yet another reckless action in a region long roiled and upturned by the past recklessness of the US and its allies. Yet again, there seems to have been no thought as to the consequences, in this case of assassinating one of Iran’s de facto leaders. No concern over the territorial or realpolitik effects of a significant, symbolic attack on the Iranian state. No geopolitical strategising, or plan. That the US has only now told US citizens in Iraq to leave shows how little Trump et al thought about the effect that assassinating Soleimani would have on even their own countrymen.

Like too many Western leaders over the past quarter of a century, Trump’s decision seems to have been governed by a moral neediness, a desperate desire for the domestic PR glow that he believes comes from acting strongly, decisively, against a putative axis of evil. And like Clinton, Bush and Blair before him, such thoughtlessness has all too foreseeable ‘unforeseen consequences’. The retaliatory actions. The deepening instability. The terroristic opportunities.

This moral neediness is why Solemaini’s grandstanding execution is not a surprise. From the start of Trump’s presidency, he has consistently sought out the Islamic Republic as the stage on which to show off his moral leadership. Hence he has conjured it up as a uniquely murderous, terrorising and destabilising force, led by a collection of uniquely bad individuals. It always makes for a dangerously simplistic approach to global politics, in which the elimination of bad men, from Saddam Hussein and Colonel Gaddafi to Soleimani, will make everything better. It won’t, of course.

Ironically, however, this manichean approach is now mirrored by the Western liberal critics of Trump. They excuse the authoritarian brutality of the Islamic Republic, because the only evil they see is that of America. Especially Trump’s America, which is supposedly making Satan Great Again. No wonder some are excitedly anticipating World War III, as the apocalyptic denouement of the reign of Trump (despite the fact that neither the US nor Iran has either the will or the capacity to fight even a drawn-out local war). This kneejerk catastrophism tells us little about the reality of US-Iran relations. But it tells us a lot about the moral outlook of too many of Trump’s Western opponents. Indeed, such is their loathing of America and Trump that they actually start to long for something approaching Armageddon.

It seems the anti-Iranian animus of the US foreign-policy establishment is matched only by the anti-US animus of Western liberals. And in these volatile, uncertain times, such myopia is of no help to anyone.
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Report lfc1971 • January 7, 2020 11:33 AM GMT
I don’t trust some British people in a court case detraveller  , I certainly wouldn’t trust someone like dustybin
If he apologised for his stupidity I might change my mind ...
Report dustybin • January 7, 2020 11:33 AM GMT
Pmsl

Hilarious
Report detraveller • January 7, 2020 11:34 AM GMT

Jan 7, 2020 -- 11:33AM, lfc1971 wrote:


I don’t trust some British people in a court case detraveller  , I certainly wouldn’t trust someone like dustybin If he apologised for his stupidity I might change my mind ...


You clearly said you didn't trust millions in Britain when it came to what Harry's family was claiming. That's why you said the diplomat's wife shouldn't come to Britain

Report detraveller • January 7, 2020 11:34 AM GMT
damn i've taken the bait Cry
Report lfc1971 • January 7, 2020 11:34 AM GMT
Let’s see , maybe he’s still confused Happy
Report detraveller • January 7, 2020 11:35 AM GMT
about what?
Report dustybin • January 7, 2020 11:35 AM GMT
That’s why American troops should come home , to America , that’s their home

Come home....to America said from a Brit in Britain haha

America are a protectionist lot, they humour Britain as far as they require a stooge.
Report detraveller • January 7, 2020 11:37 AM GMT

Jan 7, 2020 -- 11:34AM, lfc1971 wrote:


Let’s see , maybe he’s still confused


lfc1971 • October 10, 2019 3:33 PM BST
To return to a country for trial you have to trust that country , and the people in it

There are many countries in the world I would not trust

If I was an American I would not trust Britain , or millions of people living
in Britain


This is what you posted.

Report lfc1971 • January 7, 2020 11:39 AM GMT
Nonsense dustybin  , I like America and American people
Report lfc1971 • January 7, 2020 11:40 AM GMT
Yes that’s true detraveller , dustybin is one of those I wouldn’t trust
Report lfc1971 • January 7, 2020 11:41 AM GMT
He is just an example of the sort of people I meant
Report dustybin • January 7, 2020 11:42 AM GMT
Thank f00k for that.
Lfc they should put a sweeping brush up your arse, find a use for you
Report detraveller • January 7, 2020 11:44 AM GMT
Goodbye lfc. Have a nice day. I'll sign in again in the evening for some entertainment hope you're around.
Report dustybin • January 7, 2020 11:44 AM GMT
Seems America has their stooge in lfc
Report lfc1971 • January 7, 2020 11:45 AM GMT
Now if you were an American ,and reading some of his mad ravings full of bias and hatred , perhaps yours also , against America
Would you feel safe and secure if he was in court as a member of the jury ?

Well the American might think twice , will I get a fair trial , it’s bound to be of concern
I wouldn’t like to risk it
Report lfc1971 • January 7, 2020 11:46 AM GMT
See you later detraveller Happy
Report 1st time poster • January 7, 2020 1:18 PM GMT
watch the docu on bbc 2 last night seems this fella has been a friend,allie of America on a number of occasions in the past, but it seems hard to make a judgement when the uk thought 143 deaths in Iraq on foreign soil was to much to stomach, and trump was taking retribution for the death of an American on foreignh soil over xmas,but this fella had to witness the west back Iraq when invading this fella,s country and killing over a million of his fella citizens,
how many sullamani,s would uk create if a country backed by America invaded the uk and killed over a million of us, we really cant even begin to stand in these people shoes or comprehend their thinking
Report 1st time poster • January 7, 2020 1:20 PM GMT
very good docu for a quick overview of how countries fall in and out friends,allies,depending on the battles taking part that particular week
Report lfc1971 • January 7, 2020 1:31 PM GMT
Iraqis are killing Iraqis , Iraqis are killing Iranians , Iranians are killing Iranians Iranians are killing Iraqis.
In their millions , that’s their responsibility
Report UBLE/REGY • January 7, 2020 2:07 PM GMT
I would have thought the yanks have killed many millions more than him with their endless middle eastern wars,countries left in tatters and turmoil everywhere. terry McCann

very good post
Report UBLE/REGY • January 7, 2020 2:12 PM GMT
If Iranians develop Nuclear Weapons so be it...…

They would be in the same position as N.Korea, they can wave them about, but they can never use them as it would guarantee

their own destruction.

It also guarantees them protection from attack by land from the US.

Although Trump decided to lob missiles at them, no Donald, that is not helping
Report lfc1971 • January 7, 2020 2:28 PM GMT
One of ebul s sillier posts , disgraceful really  Wanting another N Korea in the world were whole families , mothers fathers sons and daughters and grandparents live their entire lives in slave labour camps
Report treetop • January 7, 2020 3:57 PM GMT
I'm afraid I may be labelled a Muslim apologist again for saying this but the Brits invaded Iraq. They were revolted against. And the guy leading that revolt was evil?

Just to help out , Soleimani was Iranian, not Iraqi and had no business being in Basra,Lebanon or Iraq unless for peaceful purposes.
Report Injera • January 7, 2020 4:16 PM GMT
A British charity is being investigated after it praised assassinated Iranian general Qassem Soleimani as a martyr.

The Islamic Centre of England, a charity with assets of more than £4 million, organised a vigil in London on Saturday to commemorate the warlord.

The event was attended by more than 2,000 people, including Iran’s ambassador to London, The Times reported.

Seyed Moosavi, 51, the charity’s director and the UK representative of Iranian leader Ayatollah Khamenei praised Soleimani as a ‘dedicated soldier of Islam’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7859123/British-Islamic-charity-inv...
Report onlooker • January 7, 2020 4:56 PM GMT
Qasem Soleimani: Stampede kills 50 mourners at burial in Iran

   
Fifty people have been killed and more than 200 injured in a stampede as Iranians gathered for the burial of a leading commander killed in a US drone strike.

The deaths in Qasem Soleimani's hometown of Kerman led to the ceremony being delayed.
Report UBLE/REGY • January 7, 2020 5:12 PM GMT
One of ebul s sillier posts , disgraceful really  Wanting another N Korea in the world were whole families , mothers fathers sons and daughters and grandparents live their entire lives in slave labour camps lfc 1971

the irony lfc1971 Laugh

My comparison was only regards Nuclear Weapons. N.Korea have Nuclear Weapons so nobody can invade them.
We don't yet know if Iran have them or not, but they would put themselves in the same position if they did, they cannot be invaded.

lfc1971 you seem to have more idea of life inside N.Korea than I have. Difficult to know what goes on there.

and in N.Koreas case I think they should give their Nuclear Weapons and rejoin with S.Korea.

In Iran's case if they have them I think they should keep them, looking at what the West did to Iraq.
Report UBLE/REGY • January 7, 2020 5:15 PM GMT
oh dear you have hooked me again lfc1971Blush
Report moisok • January 7, 2020 5:26 PM GMT
It is all lovely seeing you debating peacefully.  Islam has it's task to complete.
Report lfc1971 • January 7, 2020 5:44 PM GMT
ebul let me make this simple for you , you can’t dissociate nuclear weapons from the country that processes them
If they are an evil regime , such as exists in N Korea then we don’t want countries like that to have nuclear weapons
You see you say you would like North Korea and South Korea to be one
But the fact is people have been living in the hellhole that is N Korea for 70 years
Innocent people , hundreds of thousands of them have lived and suffered in the camps , as cruel as any in Nazi gernany for 70 years
Now that may continue for another 70 years , you may be happy with that
I’m not , and I don’t want an evil repressive regime in Iran to continue or ever get a nuclear bomb either , sorry about that
Report 1st time poster • January 7, 2020 5:57 PM GMT
when you can take out,obliterate a single car,person,house,compound 10,000 miles away like playing a video game,nuclear weapons are no longer a viable option,
cant ever see a country using nuclear weapons against someone who hasn't got them,and anyone using them against the west would be writying a suicide note,who would the uk unilaterally launch  a nuclear attack,weve had supposedly countries with wmd wthin 45 mins threaten us,russia supposedly launching a chemical attack on a uk town,ethnic cleansing in places we previously went on holiday in,isis running amok,attacks in uk,and the use of nuclear weapons doesn't even get mentioned by even the hardline hawks
Report moisok • January 7, 2020 5:58 PM GMT
depends whose side you are on
Report dustybin • January 7, 2020 8:10 PM GMT
For what it's worth I can see nuclear weapons used and probably not too far off.
Noam Chomsky wrote a great book called 'Who rules the world' which lists a number of occasions nuclear war was only halted by individuals actually breaking from procedure. Had they done what they were ordered we already would have had nuclear war.

After the arms race came one based on 'super fuses' these are tacticle launch mechanisms that raced each other to be first hit and can jump to conclusions.
When AI determines more decisions then these alarms will trigger at greater alacrity, remember the Atom bomb has been around for a mere blink of an eye.

One other case to note is the number of games for children on consoles/computers that are built around the narative of surviving armageddon....its as though they are being conditioned for it.
Report detraveller • January 8, 2020 1:07 AM GMT
Kicking off now.
Report SontaranStratagem • January 8, 2020 1:15 AM GMT
No casualties apparently CrazyLaugh

direct hits with multiple ballistic missles, on a small base housing coalition troops and not just US one's, but not one injury even

OK Laugh
Report John.W.Henry. • January 8, 2020 9:43 AM GMT
Incredible !!!!!  How much longer can this bullshyte continue ?
Report terry mccann • January 8, 2020 10:01 AM GMT
The only reason people cant see though this sh1t is they don't want to,meanwhile "Washington has refused to issue a visa to Iranian Foreigh Minister Zarif even though,as the host of the UN headquarters,the US is obliged to allow foreign officials into the county.
Zaif wanted to address Security Council in violation of UN treaty". o whys that?
Report lfc1971 • January 8, 2020 10:10 AM GMT
Quite right , keep him out of America
Report terry mccann • January 8, 2020 10:17 AM GMT
Of course,you would want the truth to come out,you would sh1t yerself
Report terry mccann • January 8, 2020 10:17 AM GMT
wouldn't*
Report lfc1971 • January 8, 2020 10:22 AM GMT
Lost in translation , if he doesn’t pipe down and respect America he’s not welcome , it’s easy to understand that
Report Dr Crippen • January 8, 2020 11:59 AM GMT
He could always pop in the UK and have a chat with Corbyn and the rest of the Shadow Cabinet.
I'm sure he'd be very welcome.
Report UBLE/REGY • January 8, 2020 12:00 PM GMT
as the host of the UN headquarters, the US is obliged to allow foreign officials into the county. terry mccan

whether he is welcome or not in the US is irrelevant
Report terry mccann • January 8, 2020 12:25 PM GMT
Freedom of speech denied.The world led by these bastards is going completely to pot.
Report detraveller • January 8, 2020 12:30 PM GMT
So once again nothing really happened. Iran fired off a few missiles to appease its own people(the same kind who had no problem giving their lives in a funeral and burning israeli flags at the same event)

For the amount of nonsense the iranians talk, they are the perfect case of barking dogs seldom bite.
Report dustybin • January 8, 2020 12:53 PM GMT
Thats not the end of it though is it?
Its just for show like you suggest.

Iranian scientists doing overtime on the bomb and at some point pull out of the non proliferation agreement and no amount of israel bombing raids or yank playstation COD gamechair drone targetted raids will stop them.

As The Economist mentions; 'you cant bomb whats in their heads'
Report SontaranStratagem • January 8, 2020 12:58 PM GMT
I was expecting to wake up to WW3 and the Apocalypse this morning Laugh

Instead I woke up to the usual "we need restraint"

Same old s***, these people will not start a war, there's no one to sodding fight it and by starting a big war they basically get exposed for what they are
Report SontaranStratagem • January 8, 2020 12:59 PM GMT
People wont fall for this punch and just show for much longer either

They are painting themselves into a corner badly, keep playing the same hand over and over again and eventually even the stupidest will know what's coming
Report SontaranStratagem • January 8, 2020 1:01 PM GMT
The media giving this wall to wall coverage is absolutely cringeworthy as well
Report detraveller • January 8, 2020 1:09 PM GMT

Jan 8, 2020 -- 12:53PM, dustybin wrote:


Thats not the end of it though is it?Its just for show like you suggest.Iranian scientists doing overtime on the bomb and at some point pull out of the non proliferation agreement and no amount of israel bombing raids or yank playstation COD gamechair drone targetted raids will stop them.As The Economist mentions; 'you cant bomb whats in their heads'


It should be the end of it. Iran isn't going to bomb anyone. If they didn't do it after getting such a high profile general killed, they are never doing it. Period.

Americans don't need to do much. Iran has threatened UAE and Israel. Not that they need any excuse but its a great time to tell UAE to improve its defense and buy their product.

Its a win win for everybody.

As for the bomb, they should already have it, just like Pak and NK. They all got the tech at the same time and helped each other. Pakistan has had to declare because of India, the other two have taken their time.

Report 1st time poster • January 8, 2020 1:11 PM GMT
iran give Iraq advanced warning of the targets iran and the usa had agreed iran could hit, LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh,

rerun of the gobbder boxing match in porridge LaughLaugh
Report dustybin • January 8, 2020 1:15 PM GMT
Iran dont want to be more clandestine in their attacks, they dont want the world to see rockets fired out of Iran.
They have a number of ways they will niggle at america while they get into a position to show off their bomb and then watch america go back to bullying states who have no airforce.
Report dustybin • January 8, 2020 1:15 PM GMT
*Iran want to be more clandestine
Report SontaranStratagem • January 8, 2020 1:17 PM GMT
Money money money money money

Kaching kaching kaching kaching

Sad pathetic ba*tards
Report detraveller • January 8, 2020 1:21 PM GMT
We don't live in an era where two countries would go at each other one on one. The weaponry is just too advanced for both parties to survive a war. One is going to be decimated. And there's no point in that. Fight from a distance and you can make shet loads of money.
Report detraveller • January 8, 2020 1:22 PM GMT
The only wars that are going to happen are one-way wars like in iraq, libya etc. Iran just too strong for a war.
Report SontaranStratagem • January 8, 2020 1:26 PM GMT
Who tells the enemy they are going to two of their bases so better move out?

And then blows up said two empty bases

Wake up people please LaughCrazy
Report SontaranStratagem • January 8, 2020 1:27 PM GMT
No one with a brain is falling for this rubbish all over again surely ?

They keep pulling off the same thing over and over again its embarrassing
Report detraveller • January 8, 2020 1:30 PM GMT
I told you there are always enough to fall for that. Targeting poor neighborhoods for recruitment in the army, or outright asking the dumb ones to join like the british army is doing. They will always have someone to fight their wars. I was hoping this would lead to troop deployment, possibly british and sort of a state of emergency delaying brexit for my 10k green. Obviously I was dreaming.
Report dustybin • January 8, 2020 1:36 PM GMT
They have always had recruitment centres in poor areas, it just makes sense.
They act like the super-sopers of school drop outs and take them off the streets and give them a vocation.
Report SontaranStratagem • January 8, 2020 1:56 PM GMT
Detrav

How much can they push it before people start twigging ?

The way the media is acting today you'd think Iran had launched a facking nuke or 2
Report Whisperingdeath • January 8, 2020 5:06 PM GMT
Looks like Chump was neutered by the Military!

You could see him growing oranger and oranger at having to read off the auto cue and it was funny watching him mispronounce words!

Doubt this is the end of it as I think Iran might want a blood execution of some sort but at least the military of both sides are saying back the feck off to their leaders!

Not sure how all this works but there is a big regional power struggle between Iran and Saudi. I don't know we can't leave them to it.
Report Whisperingdeath • January 8, 2020 5:07 PM GMT
I hope the UK, France and Germany let him know what we think too.
Report SontaranStratagem • January 8, 2020 5:26 PM GMT
The Trumpers are blaming Obama for it

I kid you not LaughLaugh

Insanity
Report SontaranStratagem • January 8, 2020 5:31 PM GMT
Basically lets just blame Obama for it anyway

People are dumb and thick enough to go along with it anyways
Report treetop • January 8, 2020 6:50 PM GMT
The media giving this wall to wall coverage is absolutely cringeworthy as well

Agree with you there SS, almost salivating about the prospect of war.
Report Whisperingdeath • January 8, 2020 7:12 PM GMT
Coverage is cringe worthy but you can understand why it is wall to wall.

Not much is being made of the fact that Chump has been told to button it and not risk innocent people getting killed and btw for all the people who think I might be an Iranian apologist. They won't be lining up to fight the yanks mano a mano.

We are the ones with the targets on our backs. My question is why? Why are we involved at all?
Report SontaranStratagem • January 8, 2020 7:19 PM GMT
I certainly wouldn't wanna be getting into a car Trump that's for sure

He'd crash it, not suffer one bruise and then scarper leaving you handcuffed to an hospital bed after life saving surgery

He can't be trusted, he's one of them sorts
Report moisok • January 8, 2020 7:26 PM GMT
obomber gave them the bomb and trumpton took out a terrorist
Report Whisperingdeath • January 8, 2020 7:33 PM GMT
more kwality insight moisok

Well done!
Report moisok • January 8, 2020 7:43 PM GMT
the mullahs need to keep this up as a distraction from their own internal troubles with the population  who the terrorist trump killed used to keep them under control with killings and imprisonment

whispering clearly on the mullah's side
Report moisok • January 8, 2020 7:44 PM GMT
check out our own imam's attitude to in here in england - encouraging the faithfull to be more like the dead terrorist leader
Report moisok • January 8, 2020 7:44 PM GMT
to it here in england
Report moisok • January 8, 2020 7:57 PM GMT
to all you mullah backers out there - leicester to own  villa

used to be our bogie team - villa that is
Report Whisperingdeath • January 8, 2020 8:13 PM GMT
whispering clearly on the mullah's side


I couldn't work out if you were stupid, ignorant or just a wind up moisok. Seeing it is the New year I will be charitable and give you the benefit of the doubt and say all threeWink!

Chin chin
Report timbuctooth • January 8, 2020 8:13 PM GMT
obama paid the mullahs $150 BILLION!!! in return for a 10 year moratorium on their building a nuke, with them being free to build it afterwards. This $150 BILLION!!! has paid for the thousands of deaths inflicted on us by obama`s friends and co-cultists. What levels of ignorance do lefties reach, as they attack the first man in our lifetimes to stand up to obama and co?

The Don,
The Greatest President This World Has Ever Seen!
Report moisok • January 8, 2020 8:17 PM GMT
bomb given to them by obomba and trumpton eliminated a terrorist

don't know why people don't understand

whispering and his type try to obfuscate/cloud the issue
Report moisok • January 8, 2020 8:19 PM GMT
meanwhile their are people in england egging their people on to imitate the dead terrorist leader

what is government, polis, and service doing about it

we can't afford to upset them as there are several million votes to be lost
Report moisok • January 8, 2020 8:20 PM GMT
meanwhile there are people
Report Whisperingdeath • January 8, 2020 8:20 PM GMT
whispering and his type try to obfuscate/cloud the issue


Plank! and keep spreading lies!

Her's another doozy

obama paid the mullahs $150 BILLION!!! in return for a 10 year moratorium on their building a nuke


Another lie from a Liar!
Report moisok • January 8, 2020 8:22 PM GMT
uk   or mullahs   - whose side?
Report moisok • January 8, 2020 8:22 PM GMT
vardy missed a sitter
Report timbuctooth • January 8, 2020 8:22 PM GMT
Where`s the lie, please?
Where are any previous lies, please?
Report moisok • January 8, 2020 8:26 PM GMT
it is easy it is the mullah lover's  tactics - same with the warmist conspiracy or progressive's stance  or the eu lovers

it is either nazi or fool or plank, denier  or other derogatory remark  - fk challenging your evidence or facts  hahahah

they are totally exposed

oh raycyst is the best card to play
Report timbuctooth • January 8, 2020 8:51 PM GMT
moisok 08 Jan 20 20:26 
...the mullah lover's ... the warmist conspiracy ... progressive's ... the eu lovers...`

Why is it that lefties tick ALL of those boxes? All good and right thinking people know there`s only two genders, but I`m beginning to think I might have discovered and identified a second, sub-species, of h0m0 sapien!
They have been living amongst us, hidden in full sight, seemingly the same as decent people, but NO!, they`re `lefties! They can perform menial tasks well enough, but it`s their absolute lack of `values` that sets them apart, exposes them as `lower order`, being incapable of independent thought, congenital liars, zero sense of guilt or responsibility for the damage they create. All very sad, of course, especially when you see them flailing around trying to talk about grown-up matters; they know they don`t have right, truth or decency on their side, never will, and it`s a lifetime`s envy of the superior, happier, good and right thinkers that turns them into such unpleasant and sub-par creatures.
Report Whisperingdeath • January 8, 2020 9:18 PM GMT
why is it all you idiots blatantly tell lies?

Make up stories?

Pathetic!

Here is the lie

obama paid the mullahs $150 BILLION!!! in return for a 10 year moratorium on their building a nuke


Now give evidence " paid the mullahs "!

Was it Obama's own money?

Was it US Tax Payers money?

Where did the $150 Billion come from?

Explain or admit you are just spreading lies!
Report badjoe • January 8, 2020 9:35 PM GMT

Jan 8, 2020 -- 9:18PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


why is it all you idiots blatantly tell lies?Make up stories?Pathetic!Here is the lieobama paid the mullahs $150 BILLION!!! in return for a 10 year moratorium on their building a nukeNow give evidence " paid the mullahs "!Was it Obama's own money?Was it US Tax Payers money?Where did the $150 Billion come from?Explain or admit you are just spreading lies!


Not lies, there is truth in it, although figures may not be 100% accurate, but it does show Whisperingd1ck to be the loud mouth idiot troll that many on here say he is, he is the most stupid of fishermen, you know, the ones that catch themselves in their own net Blush


A Facebook post claimed: "Iran will be shooting at our soldiers with bullets, etc., purchased with the $150 billion Obama gave them."

The 2015 Iran nuclear deal involved multiple nations, not just the United States under Obama but did involve the United States giving cash to Iran.

It’s debatable whether Iran ultimately got access to $150 billion of what were its own assets — which had been frozen in retaliation for its pursuit of a nuclear weapon — or whether the amount was much less.

What is correct is that largely because of the U.S. involvement, the deal resulted Iran getting access to likely tens of billions of dollars of its own funds, and it’s unclear how they might be spent.

Report moisok • January 8, 2020 9:37 PM GMT
whispering is on the mullah side in this  you do wonder?
Report Whisperingdeath • January 8, 2020 9:43 PM GMT
so point out what the facts are then joe?

A Facebook post claimed:

A kwality source!

Not lies, there is truth in it, although figures may not be 100% accurate, but it does show Whisperingd1ck to be the loud mouth idiot troll that many on here say he is, he is the most stupid of fishermen, you know, the ones that catch themselves in their own net Blush


Oh Joe! I can hold your coat if you want to fight moisok for the Title of Village Idiot assuming lfc is willing to relinquish his Crown!

Come on timbuktooth

Post some facts and have a loud guffaw on meWink I know you are not as stupid as these two idiots Timbuktooth so you know a Facebook claim or someone told me in the pub isn't quite going to cut the mustard with me. You are a smarter fellow than these two. Let's get the truth out there.
Report moisok • January 8, 2020 9:47 PM GMT
mullah supporter caught out ho ho  uk  or iran  your choice
Report badjoe • January 8, 2020 9:57 PM GMT

Jan 8, 2020 -- 9:43PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


so point out what the facts are then joe?A Facebook post claimed:A kwality source!Not lies, there is truth in it, although figures may not be 100% accurate, but it does show Whisperingd1ck to be the loud mouth idiot troll that many on here say he is, he is the most stupid of fishermen, you know, the ones that catch themselves in their own net Oh Joe! I can hold your coat if you want to fight moisok for the Title of Village Idiot assuming lfc is willing to relinquish his Crown!Come on timbuktoothPost some facts and have a loud guffaw on me I know you are not as stupid as these two idiots Timbuktooth so you know a Facebook claim or someone told me in the pub isn't quite going to cut the mustard with me. You are a smarter fellow than these two. Let's get the truth out there.


It was just one source of many cut and paste jobs I could of done, but it would not of mattered which I chose, as you would of shot it down. Why don't you post up your source that says it is all lies and tell us all the truth, as you seem so sure of yourself. By the way posting 'A kwality source' doesn't exactly show you up to be the most quality of chaps Blush

Report Whisperingdeath • January 8, 2020 10:19 PM GMT
of course I would have shot it down you dunce!

You are cutting and pasting lies! You don't even know the source of those lies! Cutting and pasting something does not make it a fact!

By the way posting 'A kwality source' doesn't exactly show you up to be the most quality of chapsBlush

No but it does show me you are a simpleton!

If you are going to cut and paste try and post something that is true. At least try and justify it with contributory evidence.
Report Whisperingdeath • January 8, 2020 10:21 PM GMT
It was just one source of many cut and paste jobs I could of done

I don't even think you will have to fight moisok in an elininator for lfc's Crown Badjoe.

The Title of Village Idiot is yours for the taking!
Report timbuctooth • January 8, 2020 10:33 PM GMT
Iran: Trump’s $ 200 billion sanctions canceled Obama’s $ 150 billion nuclear deal
By
Syreeta Palme -
January 1, 2020

The sanctions imposed by President Donald Trump on Iran have more than erased the advantages granted by President Barack Obama under the nuclear deal, according to figures presented by Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.

As part of the Iran deal, Iran has gained renewed access to up to $ 150 billion in assets that had previously been frozen. The Obama administration also sadly handed Iran nearly $ 2 billion in cash for the release of American prisoners who were actually hostages. The money was allegedly used, in part, to finance Iranian terrorist operations.
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Rouhani, quoted by Bloomberg News, said Tuesday that U.S. sanctions had cost the country some $ 200 billion:

Renewed US sanctions cost Iran $ 200 billion in foreign exchange earnings and investments, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said on Tuesday.

The sanctions have deprived the Islamic Republic of $ 100 billion in oil revenues over the past two years and an equal amount of credit for foreign investment, Rouhani said in a television speech, according to his official website.

The sanctions have punished Iran for its role in the development of weapons of mass destruction; for its sponsorship of terrorist groups in the region and around the world; and for its repressive violations of human rights against its own citizens.

Last April, the State Department declared that “maximum pressure means maximum pressure. We are keeping our promise to reduce Iranian oil exports to zero and to deprive the regime of the revenues it needs to finance terrorism and violent wars abroad. “

The Iranian regime continues to crack down on protests, cutting cell phone service in parts of the country last week to prevent protesters from coordinating and publicizing the crackdown.

https://dailygamingworld.com/iran-trumps-200-billion-sanctions-canceled-obamas-150-billion-nuclear-deal/



So, we`re left with;

obama -$150 billion
iran -$50 billion
--------------------
The Don +$200 billion!!!

CHORTLE!!!
Report badjoe • January 8, 2020 10:35 PM GMT

Jan 8, 2020 -- 10:21PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:


It was just one source of many cut and paste jobs I could of doneI don't even think you will have to fight moisok in an elininator for lfc's Crown Badjoe. The Title of Village Idiot is yours for the taking!


Oh dear Sad, the forum awaits for you to enlighten us to the truth about this matter, as you seem to know so much, all you have done is call people idiots and dunces and posted nothing of interest or anything worth discussing. If and when you do get round to educating all us idiots, make sure you identify the source of your intelligence and make sure it's a kwality source. Happy

Report trilby22 • January 9, 2020 7:05 AM GMT
My my, Joe - who'd of thunk it?  I have new found admiration and respect for you after those posts.  Well done laddie Grin
Report MALAY • January 9, 2020 9:35 AM GMT
Looks like Trump and his mob have now shat himself from the Iranians, nae fcucking wonder. Real life lunatics not twiter trolls he is now dealing with.
Report lfc1971 • January 9, 2020 9:50 AM GMT
Trump should return to an isolationist policy , troops home and no trade with Iran including oil
In fact this should be the policy towards all Muslim countries
Report dustybin • January 9, 2020 1:22 PM GMT
Good luck with that one
Consumerism requires oil like a fish needs water
No fracking etc could keep up on its own and they dont like mining Yellowstone cos its too pretty
Report moisok • January 9, 2020 1:42 PM GMT
leave him alone joe   he has boxed himself into a corner - has no answer but insults - it is the progressive way and tactic  never mind
you have to understand they brook no opposition or alternative views
Report saddo • January 9, 2020 3:17 PM GMT
The sneering classes still resorting to name calling  Laugh
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