Sydney Fireworks

Should’ve been cancelled IMO.

In very bad taste, carrying on with this whilst much of Australia burns, can't imagine the hundreds of home owners and relatives of the dead will have been celebrating much, should have been cancelled imo.

Disgraceful and shocking!!!

Have to agree that it was disrespectful, considering the amount of money spent, which could easily have been given to the firefighters, 90% of whom I read are unpaid volunteers(hard to believe).

But you also have to think that as bad as it looks, the aussies didn't complain. They could have refused to go to the fireworks, could have sat there in protest the next day, could have demanded the PM to answer etc. etc. None of that happened. Tweets and facebook posts don't count in real life.

How could they cancel the fireworks? It's on an 18 month cycle. Those fireworks have already been bought and paid for. They're well into planning next year's fireworks.

Volunteer firefighters are proud to be volunteers. It's not a job. It's all about helping people. They're proud of that.

The Sydney NYE fireworks is an event that attracts thousands of tourists around the world and brings in millions of dollars. On the same night there was a cricket match that thousands of people went to. No one said that was frivolous and disrespectful. I heard Rural Fire Service volunteers on the radio say it was ridiculous to cancel the fireworks.

I've been alive 54 years and there's been massive bushfires every single Summer I've been alive. Captain Cook noted as he was sailing along the coast the incredible number of fires.

In terms of lives lost and property destroyed the bushfires this year don't rank anywhere near the worst in history. In 1851 a bushfire aided by temperatures of 47C 117F destroyed 12 million acres. They don't like mentioning it was 47C in 1851 these days.In 2009 173 people died in the Black Saturday fires.Fires made worse from local councils and National Parks dominated by Green ideology which meant a ban on hazard reduction burns.

The fires this year are obviously exacerbated by the drought but the intensity of the burn lays squarely at the feet of green/environmental/conservationist lunatics that don't even allow a camper to pick up a dead stick laying on the ground to make a camp fire. They locked the gates to national parks so the tracks are unused. So if there's a fire no truck can get down there. It's an absolute disgrace.

Another thing rarely mentioned is that about 50% of bushfires are deliberately lit. By Arsonists. I'm not sure how accurate that % is but I think it must be close.

They don't like mentioning it was 47C in 1851 these days

Steptoe wanted to plant billions of Trees over here

If the firefighters are proud of working for free, then of course there's no issue whatsoever. Like I said, the aussies didn't complain and there must have been a reason. For the rest of the world, its all just another news item anyways.

A very comprehensive, and well considered post by...T_K_D_M

I remember back in about 1994 or 1995 there was some terrible bushfires in NSW and even in Sydney. I was driving along James Ruse Drive near Parramatta just near Rosehill Racecourse. Anyway a Copper directed me to stop. So I did. I sat there and watched over a hundred Rural Fire Service trucks drive past with the crews sitting in the back and the name of their station on the side coming from anywhere from NSW rural towns to also Victoria and Queensland and South Australia. It was very moving. Seeing all these men from across Australia come to help.

Isn't this just the start of their summer, temperatures could get even hotter and fires much worse yet.

Standard liberal elitist virtual signalling nonsense in the social media era.

#virtue!

Standard MSM news broadcast item these days opens with 'there have been calls for...' which usually means some snotty nosed tea running kid researcher just out of studying trans rights for three years has seen a few posts from similar types that haven't left their halls of residence bedroom calling for a fireworks display planned for months to be cancelled from 12,000 miles away (so they can catch a few similarly (sheep) minded twitter likes).

Glad to see you all so emphatic given it's their hottest and driest year ever.

Newcastle , theirs not ours , exports more coal than we produced 60 years ago.......

500 MILLION animals burned to death, never mind, let's let off a few fireworks and scare the siht out of a few more. Disgraceful.

It wasn't mandatory for anyone to attend the display I don't believe.

The 'calls' for the display to be cancelled would be more valid from those directly affected, not those twittering or signing online petitions from their bedrooms.

The world has suffered multiple natural disasters over the centuries, and guess what, it will continue to do so, fireworks displays or not.

I didn't make it clear what I meant by my post. I have no problem with the fireworks display but those posting that Aussieland isn't suffering from climate change should wake up.

What's changed in my view is the dissemination of weather affected events. Twenty years ago (or longer) this stuff used to happen but virtually nobody new about it outside locals. Now virtually everyone in the world can see these events captured and broadcast instantaneously. This goes for all 'alarmist' news, not just weather events of course. Like the world able to see the London Bridge terrorist being eliminated just after it happened.

Or maybe climate change is happening.

Climate change has always happened. Virtue signalling however...

Surely the problem of climate change (if it is man made) will eventually go away.

As the temperatures rise we need less fuel for heating. So emissions will start to drop.
Isn't that what the hand-wringers want - for us to use less fuel?

Okay, I'm using less fuel now.
Also eating hardly any meat, and walk most places into the bargain. That reminds me I've got to get some petrol tomorrow.

Add it all together, and most of us are model citizens without even trying!

It’s noticeable how often virtue signalling consists of saying you hate things. It is camouflage. The emphasis on hate distracts from the fact you are really saying how good you are. If you were frank and said: ‘I care about the environment more than most people do’ or ‘I care about the poor more than others’, your vanity and self-aggrandisement would be obvious. Anger and outrage disguise your boastfulness.

Jan 2, 2020 -- 7:03PM, Cider wrote:

Climate change has always happened. Virtue signalling however...

What's with all this virtue signalling lingo can't you find the words to express what you mean? Climate change has always happened but not man-made climate change on anywhere near this scale.

A typical banal post from Drippin.

Can't you see your problem Charlie, nobody likes you.

Oh I never knew that.

Sorry to have to spell it out for you Charlie, but you are a bit slow on the uptake.

I'd rather be disliked than stupid like you.

Charlie..Crappen is both unpopular and stupid.

Every where you post, it always ends in a row.

I noticed last night when you were posting.

I thought to myself - ''there's Charlie in the old routine, falling out with somebody again.
Night after night, always the same.''

What a character.

Virtue signalling is effectively trying to portray oneself as the virtual angel Gabriel via an online (and sometimes media/political) persona while actually sitting on one's arse, and quite often being in reality away from twiiter and insta, a stonking hypocrite.

A bit like you then Cider.

When you  weigh up Charlie - he's just a misery guts looking for something to worry about.
It always looks like rain to Charlie.
Cup's always half empty instead of half full.
The beer's always cloudy.
Tea's always cold.
Cakes are always stale.

Life's not much fun for Charlie.
And it looks like suckitforapenny has joined him.

Well I don't have any social media accounts, and I eat plenty of (tasty) meat. For a start ;)

I don't have any media accounts either and also eat lots of tasty red meat.

social media accounts if that makes a difference.

I didn't accuse you of virtual signalling. Unless you have a guilty conscience

I might add I'm the one that is saying climate change is real you seem to be the one that is saying it isn't and hating the people that say it is. Virtue signalling at it's finest.

Drippin you always seem to attack me and not what I'm saying. That's because you know you always come off worst in a debate. Not just with me but with most people you oppose.

Nope. Debating climate change is fine by me. Taking to twitter to join in the 'calls' for a  pre-arranged fireworks display to be cancelled (from 1000s of miles away) is not.

You addressed me first here Charlie.

You attacked me.

Why do you lie?

I'm confused by you now Cider:

Charlie • January 2, 2020 7:02 PM GMT
Or maybe climate change is happening.

Report•Quote•Block UserCider • January 2, 2020 7:03 PM GMT
Climate change has always happened. Virtue signalling however...

Consecutive posts so what am I missing?

you are really saying how good you are.

Well let's face it cider, no one else is going to tell him he's good because he's not.

Jan 2, 2020 -- 7:36PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

You addressed me first here Charlie.You attacked me.Why do you lie?

Wrong. Read the posts above.

I've just done the same and I did attack you first. Apologies for that.

Oh progress - apology accepted.

Because lefties have taking the phrase 'climate change' to mean it's something that humans can significantly influence. I define climate change to be that over centuries the type of weather and average temperatures have changed over time, and will continue to do so. I sense you may feel it's something that humans can prevent or significantly influence (although I could be incorrect in that train of thought).

So you're using the term lefties in a derogatory way (perhaps you think I'm a leftie?). Climate change isn't a political stance it's a scientific fact. You are correct in saying it's something that humans have made and can, possibly, correct.

It used to be 'global warming' when I was growing up (a long time ago!). Yes I feel lefties have redefined the innocent term 'climate change' like calling a second referendum a 'peoples' vote'. As they like the term climate change denier ;)
Like I said, your interpretation of climate change (that humans can influence it) can be debated, but won't be by me here, lol. I don't dispute that over many many years the climate has changed.

Global warming or climate change they mean the same thing. Not debating whether climate change is man made is fine by me but denying it is different.

"given it's their hottest and driest year ever."

Not true.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-02/2019-was-australias-hottest-and-dries...

I'll try that again: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-02/2019-was-australias-hottest-and-dries...

Oh well I give up on that.

Need to put a full stop after it in Live View, Charlie, relse it gets truncated.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-02/2019-was-australias-hottest-and-driest-year-on-record/11837312
.

Thanks.

The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE 02 Jan 20 23:50 
"given it's their hottest and driest year ever."

Not true.
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I'd rather listen to someone who grew up there than statistics from a biased bunch of scientists charlie.

All they've done is weaponized the term 'climate change' and made it an emotive term in an attempt to heighten the fear factor among the general public. They inject a sense of urgency by saying things like, "We only have 10 years left to do something about climate change."

Catastrophic weather events have always happened throughout history, and I would say it only affects us more these days because of 1) population growth has put more people in the firing line when they happen. 2) Near instant world wide communication means we hear about them more often when they do occur, especially as it suits a certain political agenda.

Then there's the possibility of weather manipulation to further the same agenda.

As children we grew up fearing nuclear war, I remember being very scared. Now they frighten the children with this.

Yes, they like to keep us in a constant state of fear so they can look after us. We pay them handsomely for the privilege.

I bet the polar bears stayed in bed .

The Australian Bureau of Meteorology has been caught out adjusting (fudging) historical temperature records. Too much of an inconvenient truth.

Charlie if you're quoting something to me from the ABC then don't bother. They're all extreme leftists obsessed with pushing their climate change agenda and all the other usual causes and nobody in the real world believes a word they say.

I thought there might be more balance in your country than ours

Jan 3, 2020 -- 11:54AM, The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE wrote:

Charlie if you're quoting something to me from the ABC then don't bother. They're all extreme leftists obsessed with pushing their climate change agenda and all the other usual causes and nobody in the real world believes a word they say.

Good point.  Aussie version of CNN, imo.

Sadly not saddo. The only stuff you'll hear on the ABC is climate change,gender issues,first nations crap (that's a new term for Aboriginals),Trump bashing,the Patriarchy. You know the deal.

ABC are only reporting the figures:

The data is in and 2019 has topped the Bureau of Meteorology's (BOM) charts for average and maximum temperatures as well as the lowest annual rainfall across the country.

You may not like what ABC say but that's neither here nor there. If you want to argue about the data then feel free.

errrrr

The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE 03 Jan 20 11:49 
The Australian Bureau of Meteorology has been caught out adjusting (fudging) historical temperature records. Too much of an inconvenient truth.

GMAD - very good post at 10.32.

The BBC are running a piece today on Zambia. It faces mass food shortages they say, because of 'Climate Change'.

The rainy season was indeed later to arrive. But in Africa the problem they're slow to address is 'water harvesting'. A miniscule amount that falls is ever collected.

So they're far too dependant on rainfall because they don't save and store it. It's one of the main reasons for starvation in Africa.

They then compound the problem by felling millions of trees to make charcoal to sell. That turns countries into deserts.

I wouldn't trust the ABC or the BOM as far as I could throw them. Been caught fudging so often it's pathetic.

Again I repeat. These are not the worst bushfires ever. Far from it. It's not the hottest summer ever. I was wearing track pants a couple of weeks ago ffs. It's not the worst drought ever. The Federation drought was worse. I'm tired of these dickheads leaping on everything to push their agenda. Does the ABC ever mention the modern day phenomenon of modern day bushfires often started by lunatic arsonists? Do they ever mention the Greens dominated local councils and National Parks that prevent hazard reduction burns in winter because they want to 'protect' the environment? No. It doesn't suit their agenda which is all about blaming everything in the world on climate change. The people who live in these fire ravaged regions are white hot with anger about all this. The massive reduction in hazard reduction burns these last 20 years are the major reason these fires are so intense. Can you imagine going camping in the bush in Australia - an island so huge that 95% of it is basically unpopulated and inner city Greenies have made it illegal to gather up dead sticks off the ground to make a campfire. And now those same inner city Greenies that infest the ABC take great delight in trotting out their climate change propoganda.

Injera - it's the same here. The bloke who built the Harbour Bridge -Bradfield- had a plan to harvest the massive rainfalls in northern Queensland that just go out to sea and redirect them into river systems that would provide more than enough water for Eastern Australia forever. That was in the 1930s. No politician has ever done anything about it.

That's incredible!!!

I have friends in Sydney who've told me it's neen cooler than normal lately!

This last week has been pretty warm though some cool changes in the evenings have been good. Definitely some days in December I wore track pants. It's not been 40+ for 40 days straight. Nothing like it. Summer in oz is Summer.It's hot. Especially away from the coast. You always get your stinkers. I remember as a boy in the 1970s we used to sleep outside sometimes because it was too hot in the house. 20 year old climate warrior twitter imbeciles think nothing has ever happened before their brief lifespan.

The figures are national averages not individual areas.

I remember back in the 80s my Dad was convinced an Ice Age was coming. A keen listener of ABC radio.

It's in a Clash song - London Calling - "The Ice Age is Coming".



They're never wrong. Never admit they got it wrong. Just change the terminology and continue spruiking the same BS.

can anyone find that uk government suppressed report of 04  or whenever it was that said we would be underwater in 2020   someone posted it somewhere  in a paper forum    wish I could find it again

yes the government tried to hush it up coz the population would panic

found it   - 2004

A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

this seems to have been forgotten - only 4 years to go - sound familiar  -  princess greta/gore gives us 11 more

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver

Congratulations moisok you finally managed to post a link. Very well done.

just like oz
although on a much smaller scale  we have interference and going against local tradition and common sense

when the flooding happened in somerset it eventually came out they had stopped dredging the drains and rivers on the flat moorlands    - river  Parrett   hadn't been dredged for years
the locals pointed all this out

they followed an eu directive   and decided voles were more important and must not upset the natural life


Before then dredging had been done almost annually   - you would often see the machinery in the fields etc

I know the area very well

They started dredging again and then low and behold  now they have stopped it this year coz of natural sensitivity or something

basically the civil servants fkd up again

Most people seem to remember that when they were kids the summers were hotter and the winters were colder. Of course they're just memories unsubstantiated by facts.