Devoid of agility, charisma and credibility, Corbyn has led Labour into the abyss

The manifesto was essentially magnificent
Was it. Nobody believed all the free stuff. Must think we are all idiots.

All he's got left now is the Sharia Law vote.  Not even the We Want Free Things voter group turned out in such decisive numbers as in 2017.

The manifesto was essentially magnificent.

It was a bigger fairytale than anything the Grimm Brothers ever came up with.

It was an even longer Suicide Note than Worzel Foot's in 1983.

I think "chicken" Corbyn and McDonnell ought to resign from their post immediately as I firmly believe they must not be involved with the "reflection" post this worst election ever result for over 3 decades. They must not have an input in this as they were the main architects and drivers of the election policies and strategies.

OFFICIAL : Corbyn "NOT TO BLAME" for what happened. He just told us so on BBC1.

Dec 13, 2019 -- 12:49PM, alun2005 wrote:

It was an even longer Suicide Note than Worzel Foot's in 1983.

couldnt agree more alun,broadband,then throwing in the waspi billions.self harm doesnt come close,deluded little fool,tw** is corbyn

don't forget children to be indoctrinoated , sorry I mean taught of the evils of the empire.

Labour knew it and Corbyn knew it. Those appalling numbers were not state secrets. His admirers always describe him as a selfless, almost saintly man, devoid of ego. So why didn’t he take one look at his own ratings and say, “I am clearly a drag on this party’s prospects. Those who need a Labour government have a better chance of getting one if I step aside.” Not a chance.

Corbyn’s own vanity was too great for him even to consider such an act of self-sacrifice. Instead he was encouraged by his own devoted legions of supporters, for whom the idea of a change of leader was heresy. In their mind, it was better to lose under Corbyn than to have a shot at winning with someone – anyone – else.

above from the guardian

He says it is only responsible for him to stay until a successor has been named. But, he's not admitted responsibility for the election implosion.

The manifesto was idiotic, but apart from that The Guardian was spot on in their assessment of Corbyn and his clique.

He obviously wants to stay on in order to try and influence the picking of his sucessor and help keep the Momentum power base.

I thought the gruniad told people to vote for us (labour)  or did I have my beer goggles on at the time

they are a two faced lot in that rag

theyre telling you about the fkn shambles that is lab under corbyn,its called journalism

corbyn has inherted this mess from the blair era, thats whats really messed this country up, and thats why people wanted brexit etc

I didn't want Corbyn to win but this is an awful article by Polly Toynbee.

It was the likes of Toynbee and Jonathan Freedland who urged Labour to a Remain position, against Corbyn's inclination, on the grounds it would be a vote winner.

And now it was shown to be a disastrous move Toynbee and Freedland have columns up today, making no apologies and putting 100% blame on JC.

Of course Corbyn and Freedlands pieces are closed for comments (which never normaly happens, and several people are using other threads to point out) while lefties on there like Gary Younge with articles acknowledging the abandonment of Leave voters as a big factor, have comments open.

Cowardly move by Polly.

*Of course Corbyn and Freedlands piece

Toynbee and Freedland

Ignoring the immense talent on the backbenches??? This is ironic yes?

tobe do you not think it was the cowardly mush of not having an opinion on brexit that partly sunk jc,no-ones fkn neutral ffs,awful thing to say but the mans dead inside,have an opinion you yellow b******d and argue your corner,now hes saying he had a great manifesto ffs,not after a fkn drubbing like that its not

He's just managed a half apology but adamant Brexit and the media were Labour lost. What a fool to the end!

Deluded old fool.

my the hatred and the gloating on here is something else , mind you the suspects still at it

Victim?

He's playing victim when he was the offender of this thrashing by the Tories.

flasher just because people do not agree with your vile political views that does not mean you can make it personal

get the fool out now after that debacle,how the jester will have the gall to face ****,if the c gets up in the commons ill think even less of him

bj*

Rommel im suprised you have joined the hate mob on here

Misrepresenting by victimisation.

hating who anx?weve been betrayed by a fool,a vain fool,betrayal is not too strong a word,his vanity and lack of any self awareness has betrayed every one in this country

dont hate the man,pity him

'It was the likes of Toynbee and Jonathan Freedland who urged Labour to a Remain position, against Corbyn's inclination, on the grounds it would be a vote winner.'

Bullseye tobermory

Rommel brexit was the big issue , plus the vicious personal attacks on him were a disgrace but no suprise really with media controlled by foriegn bilionaires

Anybody who offers real change is always attacked by the ruling class and the Capitalist mafia

he never went to a remain position,the awful non-position of so many splinters up his jaxxi ffs

If he actually had an opinion on Brexit (which we all know he wanted out of the EU but couldn't bring himself to say it), instead of being 'neutral', he may not have suffered such a disaster. Add to the fact the countless freebies which couldn't be afforded, is it any wonder they were trounced?

If they don't put a new leader in who isn't as far left as Corbyn and McDonnell, they will be in the wilderness for a very long time.

Still not having the Lib Dems ever being forgiven for their betrayals in the coalition, so step forward The Social Democratic Party. Could be the next big thing.

it wasnt the big issue,his position on it was part of the issue,he was so much ammo for the rw press,so much baggage with him,poor sap

HGS with a lot of the party pro remain he was in an impossible position , they should have respected the vote and they would have done better

For sure anx.

Rommel every Labour leader is viciously attacked by the spiv filth , look back in history every one except maybe blair who of course done a pact with Lucifer Murdoch

when he came out with the waspi refund,i thought you dont want power you twonk,you just want a shining manifesto that is now lining cat trays,pride in that manifesto that has just had the biggest kicking in 80 years ffs

anxious - if JC had a credible position on Brexit (i.e leave) he would have won more seats.

Remainers did NOT flock to the Cancel Democracy Party (Lib Dems) and they hated JC's middle of the road ambiguity. They preferred to honour the 2016 vote.

Mark Tami MP: I think our policy on Brexit was, well... if you stand in the middle of the road, you get run over. It was very hard for us to explain our position on the issue, that was a problem.

anx its part of the deal the rw press will be on your back,but jeremy gave them a target that shone  in the fkn dark

and just a litle nitpick,sing the fkn anthem,youre british in high office sing your anthem,your views on the monarchy are a separate issue,fight your position on the monarchy but sing the fkn anthem of the day

injera corbyn was a leaver but others changed their mind from 2017 including McDonnell

no but what it says to everyone is youre a bad thinker,its another fkn mush of nothing,sing your anthem you drone,and argue against the content of the anthem somewhere else,you lead the second biggest pol party,you might be pm,sing the fkn anthem

Ok sing it then but what difference it makes is nothing , its only a symbolic gesture

gestures count,esp with the likes of fookin mush brain,now the fkn mushy twonk is saying what a fookin great manifesto we had,ooo im so proud of it.it just got the biggest fkn kicking in 80 years you sad pathetic....dont have pride in anyhting with such a defeat,get out now,go and speak to your fookin cabbages and leeks

any crediblt lab leader would have won this election,jc was just so awful

remainer Corbyn lost , he should have listened to the people

The polls suggest that whilst Labour's stance on BREXIT was an issue, the much bigger issue was Corbyn himself and his hapless front bench.  I agree with rommel that any credible Labour leader with sensible policies would have won.  Never had the Tories been so weak and there for the taking.

Remain and left leaning Tories like myself were forced to vote for Boris.  Corbyn's policies would have been a disaster.

You weren’t the important vote , it was labour leavers who won the referendum and the election

Labour should be glad they lost - would have been a horrible mess to clean up. Now it's all on Boris - he needs to deliver a prosperous Britain - there can be no excuses.

You weren’t the important vote , it was labour leavers who won the referendum and the election

perhaps the first time you're ever been right. it was all about Brexit - Labout lost all it's white working class seats.

Now that its done we shall see Bullingdon leading a hard right wing populist agenda similar to his mate the fat cheeseburger , there will be a few crumbs of trickle down thrown his new friends in the north , give it 18 months a you will see the true agenda , more anti trade union laws , more tax cuts for the rich , more weapons of mass destruction , more seling arms to despot regimes , more zero hours ,  they cant help themselves if you are inherently evil you will not be able to hide that

anx all is not lost,i think bj is a lying piece of sh** and not as clever as people think,certainy got to up his game in the commons cos hes been appalling,keep it flying son

The labour party wanted to give the vote to foreigners, open borders without restriction and they wanted Britain to "begin making some reparations for our colonial past"
It is a party that hates Britain and is full of people who hate Britain.
Corbyn and McDonnell the chief haters

People get tired of being preached to by the likes of Corbyn and McDonnell and the various ethnics within that party and living in this great and beautiful country
Its as simple as that, stop preaching to the British people

Labour also wanted to brainwash school children about Britain's colonial past, even more than it happens already.

We concentrated on sectional interests and ignored the issues that affected the other 35 million who voted - quite simple
really.
none of you are members  but if you saw the begging letter I got for 1 pound or 3 pound etc etc and the picture that came with it you would understand   or the pic when Jeremy countered  anti semitism showing that we were a non racist party

you must have seen that - it said it all about their target groups - to put it kindly  - ignored the midlands and northern non diaspora vote -  but london stayed red  - for a very good reason.  I am being very delicate here as I will be accused of all sorts of things.

Labour's solitary core voter group now is the Sharia Law vote. That held up significantly, while Labour were deserted by white traditional working-class voters, and this time even the easily-bribed, delusional young people did not have the impact of 2017.

Most members are radical momentum though, and by far the majority of Labour voters are not members.  Had most members seen those letters, I'm sure the margin of defeat would've been that much bigger.  One of the differences between 2017 and 2019, is that the Corbynista grip on the Labour party had tightened, and as a result his new policies showed his true agenda which wasn't as apparent in 2017.

I supported and voted for Jeremy, but he was a back bencher and unfortunately carried on like one.  But it is lansman and his cronies at the NEC - I have gone on about it all year but have been laughed at.  No one is laughing now but their heads are still stuck in the sand in many areas of policy, constituencies and power.   It will be a long 5 years.  I hope we can steer away from this SOCIALIST WORKER mentality coz that is what it is - I don't know how many are in the party but the tactics are very similar.

Common sense in the country has prevailed albeit with the least worst option.
Polls have shown that the reason for lab people deserting lab was JC.
In Wigan 1 in 4 who previously voted lab did not do so and there have been many similar instances.

I expect labour to adhere to Einstein’s definition of insanity and elect a Corbynista such as Long-Bailey or Rayner.
We’ll se how far that gets them.
Very sad and they are letting down people who need them.

I suspect you are right.  Don't know much about Long Bailey.  But Angela Rayner has made a mark on my consciousness, because she came across as even thicker than Corbyn and Abbott.  That prolly makes her favourite.

Guardian "journalism" in action:

Pictures should have been posted the other way around.

Bandwagon jumping from journalists.  Whatever next?