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FIGJAM
18 Nov 19 13:43
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My bank changed my debit card, for "security reasons"
Just updated new card on Betfair however can't delete my now worthless old card,
because I've deposited historically over £200 , I must now send in my bank statement.
Somehow I can't be ars.d, Jobswoths.Angry

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By:
detraveller
When: 18 Nov 19 13:52
Is there a reason why you want to delete a worthless old card from your account?
By:
dave1357
When: 18 Nov 19 14:18
presumably he means he can't delete it as the deposit method?
By:
detraveller
When: 18 Nov 19 14:30
Betfair are going to ask for what they want in order to comply with whatever stupid policies they have. Since you may not have withdrawn the 200 back to the method, it has probably something to do with the funds not going back to the source. Which means you will not be able to withdraw money in future until and unless you send 200 back to this card.

They probably need to see the bank statement to know that the new card represents the same bank account as the old card?
By:
FIGJAM
When: 18 Nov 19 18:14
All very well, buy Why?
Life's too short.
By:
Foinavon
When: 18 Nov 19 18:36
I believe the "same card" rule is to do with the prevention of money laundering.
By:
Charlie
When: 18 Nov 19 18:48
Not sure I understand what the OP means. For me every four years or so when my card expires I have to register a new one and make a deposit. I always deposit a fiver and withdraw a tenner to make sure it's working. Never had a problem.
By:
dave1357
When: 18 Nov 19 18:51
presumably they can tell that the card hasn't expired, as it was prematurely cancelled by his bank and have queried the account.
By:
Charlie
When: 18 Nov 19 18:56
Never thought of that dave. I think you can register more than one card at a time although I've never done it.
By:
detraveller
When: 18 Nov 19 19:28
@OP It doesn't matter whether life is too short. Or if you don't care. You clearly care enough to have the card deleted, which you haven't explained why.

Assuming you haven't withdrawn these 200 back to the same card, you depositing money with a payment method and then asking for it to be deleted has money laundering written all over it. Because tomorrow you are going to withdraw it to another bank account. Money laundering laws don't really like such transfers of funds.

You can ignore it for now but I can guarantee once you withdraw money, Betfair will ask you to first withdraw 200 to the old card. You'll then tell them that it doesn't exist to which they will ask you for, you guessed it, the bank statement. Then you will have to arsed even if you can't be arsed now.

My tip. Do what they tell you to do.
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 18 Nov 19 19:32
I am in the same mess as the op

The bank cancelled my card in error then issued me a new one. B/F wont allow me to withdraw to my new one.

I will contact b/f...they are holding on to a lot of my money illegally

THe only money laundering going on is the banks themselves, nobody else.
By:
Charlie
When: 18 Nov 19 19:35

Nov 18, 2019 -- 7:32PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:


I am in the same mess as the opThe bank cancelled my card in error then issued me a new one. B/F wont allow me to withdraw to my new one.I will contact b/f...they are holding on to a lot of my money illegallyTHe only money laundering going on is the banks themselves, nobody else.


Sorry if I'm being dumb but have you tried depositing and then withdrawing on the new card?

By:
peckerdunne
When: 18 Nov 19 19:35
isint there a second card option, never been an issue for me.
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 18 Nov 19 19:38
Sorry if I'm being dumb but have you tried depositing and then withdrawing on the new card?

I have, I can only withdraw on my new card, the money I deposited with it

all the rest of my other money b/f are holding onto illegally
By:
detraveller
When: 18 Nov 19 19:39
THe only money laundering going on is the banks themselves, nobody else.
True. And they want it to stay that way, hence the money laundering laws. You want to transfer money you do it through banks not third party financial services.
By:
Charlie
When: 18 Nov 19 19:42

Nov 18, 2019 -- 7:38PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:


Sorry if I'm being dumb but have you tried depositing and then withdrawing on the new card? I have, I can only withdraw on my new card, the money I deposited with itall the rest of my other money b/f are holding onto illegally


Sorry to hear that. No idea then. As I said above I always test by depositing a fiver and withdrawing a tenner.

By:
detraveller
When: 18 Nov 19 19:44

Nov 18, 2019 -- 7:38PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:


Sorry if I'm being dumb but have you tried depositing and then withdrawing on the new card? I have, I can only withdraw on my new card, the money I deposited with itall the rest of my other money b/f are holding onto illegally


No they're not. I'll try to make it simple for you.

You have every right to withdraw that amount back to its source right now.
You can do it. But the card doesn't exist.
So you can only withdraw it to the new card. For that you just need to show the card is connected to exactly the same bank account.
You can do that with a bank statement or a letter from the bank.

Make sense?

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 18 Nov 19 19:54
bank statements dont tend to have card numbers on them

card may have account number on, so you may need to upload photo of card showing account
number and match it to your statement, and current details.

its a pain innit, and in no way prevents money laundering, but it may solve your problem

give them a ring, find out which hoops you need to jump through.
By:
Charlie
When: 18 Nov 19 20:01
Sorry but I don't understand any of this. I have had accounts with most of the major bookmakers and have never had a problem with withdrawing funds even when my accounts have been closed as they are now. Not once was I asked for any proof - put money in bookies close account and take money out. No issues whatsoever.
By:
detraveller
When: 18 Nov 19 20:01
Yes he just needs to send a proof of that card connected to the same bank.
By:
detraveller
When: 18 Nov 19 20:02
Charlie its about funds going back to the same source. You deposit money using one method you withdraw it back to the same method. Period.

Exceptions are possible. But you need to provide evidence so that exception can be made.
By:
Charlie
When: 18 Nov 19 20:04
Thanks dt I can sort of see it now.
By:
dave1357
When: 18 Nov 19 20:12
I think it is account security as well.  Charlie's "deposit from the new source and then withdraw everything to that new source" has been used to completely fleece a hacked account.
By:
detraveller
When: 18 Nov 19 20:14
Yes Betfair sell it as a security measure with money laundering laws written in the fine print.
By:
Charlie
When: 18 Nov 19 20:18

Nov 18, 2019 -- 8:12PM, dave1357 wrote:


I think it is account security as well.

By:
Charlie
When: 18 Nov 19 20:20
Not sure what went on there but Charlie's "deposit from the new source and then withdraw everything to that new source" is not what I said.
By:
UBLE/REGY
When: 18 Nov 19 20:42
thank you detraveller..if only b/f saw it your way???????

I will give it a another try after the football has finished
By:
detraveller
When: 18 Nov 19 20:50
Actually its not bad at all the way they say it. If someone hacks your account and tries to withdraw the money they can only do it back to your own bank account.

But of course there's no protection against them placing bets or doing some other fraud I may not be aware of.
By:
dave1357
When: 18 Nov 19 21:07

Nov 18, 2019 -- 8:20PM, Charlie wrote:


Not sure what went on there but Charlie's "deposit from the new source and then withdraw everything to that new source" is not what I said.


I always deposit a fiver and withdraw a tenner to make sure it's working.

this is what you said.  I'd frankly be surprised if any system that allowed you to do that had any limit on withdrawals ie everything could be withdrawn from that new method.

This has been used in the past usually ewallets to strip out accounts.

By:
peckerdunne
When: 18 Nov 19 23:10
Actually its not bad at all the way they say it. If someone hacks your account and tries to withdraw the money they can only do it back to your own bank account.

yes but have also cloned your card................Laugh ta ra money
By:
detraveller
When: 18 Nov 19 23:43
@dave What he meant to say was the he checks if the withdrawal is working/allowed before he deposits and eventually withdraws bigger amounts later. Of course you can withdraw more money than you deposit. Its called withdrawing your winnings or being a profitable trader as some like to call it. Stuff of legend though not many of us can associate with stuff like that.
By:
peckerdunne
When: 19 Nov 19 00:07
illuminate are everywhere
By:
Charlie
When: 19 Nov 19 18:27

Nov 18, 2019 -- 11:43PM, detraveller wrote:


@dave What he meant to say was the he checks if the withdrawal is working/allowed before he deposits and eventually withdraws bigger amounts later. Of course you can withdraw more money than you deposit. Its called withdrawing your winnings or being a profitable trader as some like to call it. Stuff of legend though not many of us can associate with stuff like that.


I've done that with every betting account I've ever had. I've never had a losing account. Obviously I've had to wait to be in profit before I withdrew money but I always did it as soon as I could to see if there was a problem - this includes the sign-up offers. I have never had a problem and never been asked to submit documents to prove I was who I said I was. Only proviso is that I only had accounts with major bookies. There were some lesser bookies, in the last couple of years, where they said you had to provide proof of who you were before you opened an account. I always contacted them to ask if this was true and when they replied it was I never opened an account with them.

By:
dave1357
When: 19 Nov 19 18:44
If you open any account now they have to ID you before accepting any bets.  They may be able to do this through a credit agency. I think BF do that.
By:
Charlie
When: 19 Nov 19 18:59
I have no idea about that dave. I haven't opened a new account for a few years and doubt very much if I will ever open a new account again. Since I've been with with betfair (which has been a while) I've always had the same account number with same sort code, a different address a couple of times and obviously a few different card numbers but never had any problem.
By:
Charlie
When: 19 Nov 19 19:01
I do/did update my details when they change.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 19 Nov 19 19:05
Has anyone had issues with the “redirection” process ? Apparently the redirection process allows funds to be refunded to an account via a cancelled card ,think the redirection process was extended recently to something like 3 years ,so an old card should be able to be used to withdraw on here snd find its way to account ,prob is though the length of time the bank takes to put the money in your account ,some banks seem to rip the pish and hold onto funds fore ever and a day before giving it to its rightful owner.Like the ATM scam that if you don't take your money from machine in allotted time and it gets taken back into atm it was then stolen ,was not returned to account unless you asked for it back ,a very shady mob well worth the watching imo.
By:
bigmo
When: 19 Nov 19 19:33
So I've been issued a new debit card because the old one is about to run out, should I be ok from this hassle?
By:
peckerdunne
When: 19 Nov 19 19:38
FINE MO
By:
bigmo
When: 19 Nov 19 19:41
Thanks peckerdunne
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