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drunk driver kills woman sleeping in tent , sentanced

elisjohn

22 Oct 19 14:05

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pissed and drunk, no insurance or anything decided to go round the campsite driving into tents in middle of night injures 3 people and kills 1{ id say murders 1} , just been sentenced to just over 8 years , what a joke .HE WAS CHARGED WITH DEATH BY DANGEROUS DRIVING

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Mikael D'Haguenet When: 22 Oct 19 14:08

I'd give the tnuc 8 years even if he'd not killed someone. Disgrace.

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elisjohn When: 22 Oct 19 14:10

ps
The court heard Waterhouse, from Partington, Manchester, had a number of previous convictions including for violence, criminal damage, driving without insurance, and driving not in accordance with a licence.

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portmanpark When: 22 Oct 19 14:27

8 years is pitiful

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elisjohn When: 22 Oct 19 14:31

has to be one of the leanient sent ever,

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dave1357 When: 22 Oct 19 14:35

Why wasn't he charged with murder or manslaughter?

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UBLE/REGY When: 22 Oct 19 14:37

It was not intentional I assume.....

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elisjohn When: 22 Oct 19 14:41

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/anna-evans-campsite-driver-jailed-17125990#source=push

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elisjohn When: 22 Oct 19 14:57

try this,https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/drink-driver-who-killed-mum-17125366

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dave1357 When: 22 Oct 19 15:02

put € under the link

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detraveller When: 22 Oct 19 15:03

Actually you have to put pound if you're in Britain. Works with the local currency.

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Baphornet When: 22 Oct 19 15:13

dummie dave

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peckerdunne When: 22 Oct 19 15:20

be out in under 4

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Baphornet When: 22 Oct 19 15:21

get more for robbing a loaf

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Mikael D'Haguenet When: 22 Oct 19 15:21

Depends if you voted leave or remain.

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Mikael D'Haguenet When: 22 Oct 19 15:22

In response to the € or £, not robbing a loaf.

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Dr Crippen When: 22 Oct 19 16:25

So even if your drinking and driving kills someone you'll only get put away for 4 years.
No wonder people ignore the drinking and driving laws.

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SlippyBlue When: 22 Oct 19 18:08

The sentence most certainly does not fit the crime and the death of a young woman. 8 years and 4 months is a disgraceful decision, I'd have given him 20 years personally.

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Coachbuster When: 22 Oct 19 19:16

terrible sentence

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impossible123 When: 22 Oct 19 20:01

I'd sentence him to a prison in Siberia or an outhouse in Far Eastern Russia. It's too cosy in a British jail, I believe (no personal experience).

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elisjohn When: 22 Oct 19 21:04

SEEMS THE NEWS ETC, MAKES THIS SEEM LIKE A DRUNK DRIVING A CAR AND ACCIDENTALLY KILLING A PERSON, THIS BLOKE DROVE INTO TENTS WITHOUT A CARE IF ANYONE INSIDE,

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detraveller When: 22 Oct 19 22:16

The sentence looks perfectly fine to me. The lack of knowledge on this forum is appalling. Forget the fact that no one here has bothered waiting for(or reading) the detailed verdict, you lot act like you know how to apply the law when clearly none of you have a scooby. Sentencing isn't done by looking at newspaper articles and headlines. Its done according to the sentencing guidelines. That's a good starting point if any of you are interested.

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moisok When: 22 Oct 19 22:40

fellow traveller you simply are the limit - you hide behind the law book

he has previous -all over - refused a breathalyser

you really are the king of the excusers as you are with the rest of your clan

I am so glad you do not live in this country

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detraveller When: 22 Oct 19 22:47

stick to bear population moisok. For law related issues you'll need to use your brain.

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Mikael D'Haguenet When: 22 Oct 19 22:54

I disagree strongly, detraveller. Firstly, I have pretty much zero tolerance where drinking and driving is concerned. Secondly, the maximum sentence as it is is 14 years. If that's all the law says he can be sentenced to, that's what I'd have given him.

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Mikael D'Haguenet When: 22 Oct 19 22:55

Sentencing guidelines should be harsher in ALL DD cases is basically what I'm saying.

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Coachbuster When: 22 Oct 19 23:06

says in the news that he careered off the road into the campsite ,rather than drive around the campsite maliciously driving into the tents ... the news report suggests a tragic case of wrong place at wrong time while being hit by a maniac driver

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detraveller When: 22 Oct 19 23:13

Oct 22, 2019 -- 10:54PM, Mikael D'Haguenet wrote:

I disagree strongly, detraveller. Firstly, I have pretty much zero tolerance where drinking and driving is concerned. Secondly, the maximum sentence as it is is 14 years. If that's all the law says he can be sentenced to, that's what I'd have given him.

Max penalty is 14 years correct. Lets say he's sentenced to 14(I would say all aggravating factors are accounted for when you use the max sentence. So this renders his previous offenses useless for sentencing)

Now consider mitigating factors.
Admission: Yes
Remorse: Yes(written note)

Let's ignore the mitigating factors. So 14 years prison sentence.

Seeing as he plead guilty two months after incident, he gets a one-third reduction for a guilty plea at first hearing. Even if this wasn't the first hearing, it definitely was the early stages, so he gets a quarter reduction. This brings his sentence down to 10.5 years(9.24 years if this was the first hearing).

Now add the mitigating factors, a judge who definitely knows more about the law than me and a lawyer whose sole job was to reduce the sentence, I would say 8 years 4 months makes sense. And is no way as outrageous as some posters are saying.

It is a completely different argument ifyou think the sentencing guidelines themselves are too lenient.

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detraveller When: 22 Oct 19 23:18

Note that the mitigating factors need to be considered before the consideration of reduction due to guilty plea. He gets the concession twice.

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moisok When: 22 Oct 19 23:24

as I have said many times before you will come out and defend the scotes and the people of the book
yet you try to deny it

I am not sure why when it stares you in the face

you youself moralize and denigrate us for our views from your ivory tower in germany
passing sentence on us and you don't even live here

you are the type who will cherry pick while rome is burning but then you are so clever aren't you

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Mikael D'Haguenet When: 22 Oct 19 23:37

Well, if you're saying he effectively received the maximum sentence in the circumstances, then absolutely the sentencing guidelines are too lenient. Still, if he sent a remorseful note...

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Mikael D'Haguenet When: 22 Oct 19 23:38

To detraveller, obviously.

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Mikael D'Haguenet When: 22 Oct 19 23:40

Seems like he was only arguing the law to me, mo. I'm in no position to dispute anything he says. IF it is as he says, then sir, the law is an ass!

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elisjohn When: 23 Oct 19 17:36

if i went out drunk , accidentaly hit and killed a person, would it be the same charge as what he did ?if yes, then something really wrong as he intended to injure/ kill someone, you dont do what he did without knowing the consequences.