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Brown, White and Green are the driver, fireman and guard on a steam train, but not necessarily in that order. Three of their regular passengers on this train are well known to Brown, White and Green, possibly because they share their surnames, and are Mr Brown, Mr White and Mr Green.
Facts you need to know:-
Mr Green lives in Leeds.
The guard lives in Pudsey approximately midway between Bradford and Leeds.
Mr White's salary is £3,100.00 per annum.
Brown regularly wins the fireman at snooker.
The guards nearest neighbour, one of his three regular passengers, earns exactly three times as much as he does.
The guards namesake lives in Bradford.
The question to be answered is: what is the name of the engine driver?
It is usual, but not essential, to use a grid to systematically record your progress in logic problems of this type. if you decide to use one. However, in this case there is considerable redundancy and two simple square grids could be used or any other method to visualise/organise your solution.
Facts you need to know:-
Mr Green lives in Leeds.
The guard lives in Pudsey approximately midway between Bradford and Leeds.
Mr White's salary is £3,100.00 per annum.
Brown regularly wins the fireman at snooker.
The guards nearest neighbour, one of his three regular passengers, earns exactly three times as much as he does.
The guards namesake lives in Bradford.
The question to be answered is: what is the name of the engine driver?
It is usual, but not essential, to use a grid to systematically record your progress in logic problems of this type. if you decide to use one. However, in this case there is considerable redundancy and two simple square grids could be used or any other method to visualise/organise your solution.
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regularly beats the fireman, not wins, poor grammar.
Immediate thought is that Mr White must be claiming benefits. Normally, at least on this forum, you'd assume it would have been Mr Brown that was claiming.
I'm ruling Mr White out purely based on his paltry salary of £3,100 per annum. Such remuneration suggests he can barely lace his shoes let alone be entrusted driving a twenty tonne train carrying a couple of hundred people.
So to summarise, White is a grotesque underachiever.
So to summarise, White is a grotesque underachiever.
mr brown beats the fireman with a snooker cue 
Mr Green should not be on a train, his 'carbon footprint is through the Stratosphere. a hypocrite of the highest order. 
sorry its not mr brown, its brown that beats the fireman...
This is a trick question, there were only two men on the train before they were taken off by passengers, and given a slap. Mr Green was deffo one of them
Mr Green was deffo one of them
No firemen were injured in this episode as far as we know but there could have been some among the hard working passengers trying to go about their business at 7am in the morning. Mr Green should have been under the train not on top of it.
This won't be a trick question, as the chap who posts a weekly question on a local Facebook group, is a former lecturer who doesn't do jokes and tricks. lol
post your final answer IN CAPITALS when you have it, and I'll post the answer when it's given, probably tomorrow.
post your final answer IN CAPITALS when you have it, and I'll post the answer when it's given, probably tomorrow.
Johnny_Mustang
18 Oct 19 12:23
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I'm ruling Mr White out purely based on his paltry salary of £3,100 per annum. Such remuneration suggests he can barely lace his shoes let alone be entrusted driving a twenty tonne train carrying a couple of hundred people.
So to summarise, White is a grotesque underachiever.
clue's in STEAM TRAIN Johnny.
18 Oct 19 12:23
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I'm ruling Mr White out purely based on his paltry salary of £3,100 per annum. Such remuneration suggests he can barely lace his shoes let alone be entrusted driving a twenty tonne train carrying a couple of hundred people.
So to summarise, White is a grotesque underachiever.
clue's in STEAM TRAIN Johnny.
Recently stayed in Morar and saw, or heard, the Jacobite steam train on its daily Mallaig-Fort William run. Tickets were pretty expensive. Driver should be on more than £3100 a year imo.
If I am correct, the key to it is the bit about the salary being exactly divisible by three, and then the process of elimination.
Mikael I was lucky to go on the train billed as the Orient express on a Uk day trip, refurbed Pullman coaches with fine dining. A few years later on the eastern orient express from Singapore to Penang, 18 hours with a sleeping cabin. Fantastic experience.
Sounds a bit posh for a pleb like me. That Jacobite steam train I mentioned is billed as the Harry Potter Express, or somesuch, since it passes over Glenfinnan Viaduct, as seen in the HP movies. I wouldn't know - never seen any of 'em.
The reason I said lucky was they were freebies paid for by Barclays bank, I wont go into the reasons, and no guys I did not work for them robbing bastewards,
alun2005
alun2005
18 Oct 19 13:24
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The driver = SMITH
There isn't a Smith, alun.
Answer next Friday
alun2005
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The driver = SMITH
There isn't a Smith, alun.
Answer next Friday
Apologies for flippant answer Kenny.
In all seriousness the answer is I believe BROWN. The salary info is the vital clue, the rest can be done by the process of elimination.
In all seriousness the answer is I believe BROWN. The salary info is the vital clue, the rest can be done by the process of elimination.
alun kenny is a good guy and can take a joke, I would be surprised if he was offended, your goood manners make a refreshing change to a lot of stuff we see on here. on here. inho. And I know I'm as guilty as the next man for that. 
of course I wasn't offended lol.
alan2005 has provided the only final answer so far BROWN
answer next Friday
alan2005 has provided the only final answer so far BROWN
answer next Friday
I agree with Alun, but I had to make a leap of logic. Assumed the passengers don’t live in the same town, but I don’t think it’s explicit in the question.
great riddle kenny mann my irish logic says driver is GREEN
,guard is brown ,fireman is white.
,guard is brown ,fireman is white.
thanks ambush, although I'mnot clever enough to have devised it.
2 final answers so far. Please enter final answer in CAPITLS.
alun 2005 BROWN
ambush GREEN
2 final answers so far. Please enter final answer in CAPITLS.
alun 2005 BROWN
ambush GREEN
Kenny, I believe the driver is BROWN, the guard is WHITE and the fireman is GREEN
Thank you Mr Foinavon for your participation
Only 3 runners so far.
alun 2005 BROWN
ambush GREEN
Foinavon BROWN
Only 3 runners so far.
alun 2005 BROWN
ambush GREEN
Foinavon BROWN
Well I might as well say WHITE, then.
In the engine room with the coal scuttle, for the trifecta.
In the engine room with the coal scuttle, for the trifecta.
Thanks easter
alun 2005 BROWN
ambush GREEN
Foinavon BROWN
Mikael D'Haguenet WHITE
answer soon
alun 2005 BROWN
ambush GREEN
Foinavon BROWN
Mikael D'Haguenet WHITE
answer soon
Brian Kershaw
Conversation Starter · 2 hrs
Friday Solution. Posted 25 October 2019.
Clues listed by number.
1) Mr Green lives in Leeds.
2) The guard lives in Pudsey approximately midway between Bradford and Leeds.
3) Mr White's salary is £3,100.00 per annum.
4) Brown regularly wins the fireman at snooker.
5) The guards nearest neighbour, earns exactly three times as much as he does.
6) The guards namesake lives in Bradford.
With reference to figure1
For this particular problem many of the boxes will not be used as some of the categories are mutually exclusive, for example the staff members cannot also be passengers at the same time. However, to demonstrate the general principle a complete grid is shown in which each category overlaps with every other.
Dealing with the straightforward cases first.
Clue#1 can be recorded on the grid by placing a tick at the intersection of the Mr Green row and the Leeds column as shown in red. The remaining boxes in the sub row & sub column of the sub-grid can be filled with crosses because Mr Green cannot live in more than one place at the same time etc. This will always be the case whenever a tick is placed in a box.
Clue#2 can be recorded by placing a tick at the intersection of the Pudsey row & Guard column as shown in yellow. The remaining subrow boxes & sub-column boxes being filled with crosses as before.
Clue#4 that Brown wins the Fireman at snooker tell us that Brown cannot be the fireman and this clue is transferred to the grid as a cross at the intersection of the Brown row and Fireman column, as shown in green.
Clues#3 & 5 nead to be taken together to reach a conclusion. Clue3 that Mr whites salery is £3,100.00, which is not divisible by three & clue#5 that the guards nearest neighbour (therefore must be living in Pudsey) earns exactly three times his salary, rules out Mr White from living in Pudsey. A cross can therefore be placed at the intersection of the Mr White row & the Pudsey column. This is shown in blue on the grid.
With reference to figure 2
Looking at the passenger/hometown subgrid certain deductions can be made:-
Mr White has already two crosses in his row and therefore the only place left for him to come from is Bradford. Filling in the remaining subrow and sub-column boxes with crosses leaves only one box empty in the Mr Brown row, thus confirming that he must come from Pudsey. This information is shown in magenta on the grid.
Clue#6 can now be recorded as a tick in the white row & Guard column because we are informed that the guards namesake ( i.e. White) lives in Bradford. The remaining subrow boxes & sub-columns boxes can be filled with crosses. These actions are shown in Black on the grid.
Further deductions can now be made. Browns subrow has two crosses indicating Brown is the driver. Although we don't need to know this, the crosses resulting from a tick in the Brown/Driver box indicate that Green is the fireman.
Therefore the answer to the question is that Brown is the Driver.
It is seen that in this particular problem there is considerable redundancy and that only two squares are actually involved directly in the solution. However, I have provided a possibly over detailed solution to establish a technique for approaching similar problems in the future.
Conversation Starter · 2 hrs
Friday Solution. Posted 25 October 2019.
Clues listed by number.
1) Mr Green lives in Leeds.
2) The guard lives in Pudsey approximately midway between Bradford and Leeds.
3) Mr White's salary is £3,100.00 per annum.
4) Brown regularly wins the fireman at snooker.
5) The guards nearest neighbour, earns exactly three times as much as he does.
6) The guards namesake lives in Bradford.
With reference to figure1
For this particular problem many of the boxes will not be used as some of the categories are mutually exclusive, for example the staff members cannot also be passengers at the same time. However, to demonstrate the general principle a complete grid is shown in which each category overlaps with every other.
Dealing with the straightforward cases first.
Clue#1 can be recorded on the grid by placing a tick at the intersection of the Mr Green row and the Leeds column as shown in red. The remaining boxes in the sub row & sub column of the sub-grid can be filled with crosses because Mr Green cannot live in more than one place at the same time etc. This will always be the case whenever a tick is placed in a box.
Clue#2 can be recorded by placing a tick at the intersection of the Pudsey row & Guard column as shown in yellow. The remaining subrow boxes & sub-column boxes being filled with crosses as before.
Clue#4 that Brown wins the Fireman at snooker tell us that Brown cannot be the fireman and this clue is transferred to the grid as a cross at the intersection of the Brown row and Fireman column, as shown in green.
Clues#3 & 5 nead to be taken together to reach a conclusion. Clue3 that Mr whites salery is £3,100.00, which is not divisible by three & clue#5 that the guards nearest neighbour (therefore must be living in Pudsey) earns exactly three times his salary, rules out Mr White from living in Pudsey. A cross can therefore be placed at the intersection of the Mr White row & the Pudsey column. This is shown in blue on the grid.
With reference to figure 2
Looking at the passenger/hometown subgrid certain deductions can be made:-
Mr White has already two crosses in his row and therefore the only place left for him to come from is Bradford. Filling in the remaining subrow and sub-column boxes with crosses leaves only one box empty in the Mr Brown row, thus confirming that he must come from Pudsey. This information is shown in magenta on the grid.
Clue#6 can now be recorded as a tick in the white row & Guard column because we are informed that the guards namesake ( i.e. White) lives in Bradford. The remaining subrow boxes & sub-columns boxes can be filled with crosses. These actions are shown in Black on the grid.
Further deductions can now be made. Browns subrow has two crosses indicating Brown is the driver. Although we don't need to know this, the crosses resulting from a tick in the Brown/Driver box indicate that Green is the fireman.
Therefore the answer to the question is that Brown is the Driver.
It is seen that in this particular problem there is considerable redundancy and that only two squares are actually involved directly in the solution. However, I have provided a possibly over detailed solution to establish a technique for approaching similar problems in the future.
Brian Kershaw
Conversation Starter · 2 hrs
Friday Solution. Posted 25 October 2019.
Clues listed by number.
1) Mr Green lives in Leeds.
2) The guard lives in Pudsey approximately midway between Bradford and Leeds.
3) Mr White's salary is £3,100.00 per annum.
4) Brown regularly wins the fireman at snooker.
5) The guards nearest neighbour, earns exactly three times as much as he does.
6) The guards namesake lives in Bradford.
With reference to figure1
For this particular problem many of the boxes will not be used as some of the categories are mutually exclusive, for example the staff members cannot also be passengers at the same time. However, to demonstrate the general principle a complete grid is shown in which each category overlaps with every other.
Dealing with the straightforward cases first.
Clue#1 can be recorded on the grid by placing a tick at the intersection of the Mr Green row and the Leeds column as shown in red. The remaining boxes in the sub row & sub column of the sub-grid can be filled with crosses because Mr Green cannot live in more than one place at the same time etc. This will always be the case whenever a tick is placed in a box.
Clue#2 can be recorded by placing a tick at the intersection of the Pudsey row & Guard column as shown in yellow. The remaining subrow boxes & sub-column boxes being filled with crosses as before.
Clue#4 that Brown wins the Fireman at snooker tell us that Brown cannot be the fireman and this clue is transferred to the grid as a cross at the intersection of the Brown row and Fireman column, as shown in green.
Clues#3 & 5 nead to be taken together to reach a conclusion. Clue3 that Mr whites salery is £3,100.00, which is not divisible by three & clue#5 that the guards nearest neighbour (therefore must be living in Pudsey) earns exactly three times his salary, rules out Mr White from living in Pudsey. A cross can therefore be placed at the intersection of the Mr White row & the Pudsey column. This is shown in blue on the grid.
With reference to figure 2
Looking at the passenger/hometown subgrid certain deductions can be made:-
Mr White has already two crosses in his row and therefore the only place left for him to come from is Bradford. Filling in the remaining subrow and sub-column boxes with crosses leaves only one box empty in the Mr Brown row, thus confirming that he must come from Pudsey. This information is shown in magenta on the grid.
Clue#6 can now be recorded as a tick in the white row & Guard column because we are informed that the guards namesake ( i.e. White) lives in Bradford. The remaining subrow boxes & sub-columns boxes can be filled with crosses. These actions are shown in Black on the grid.
Further deductions can now be made. Browns subrow has two crosses indicating Brown is the driver. Although we don't need to know this, the crosses resulting from a tick in the Brown/Driver box indicate that Green is the fireman.
Therefore the answer to the question is that Brown is the Driver.
It is seen that in this particular problem there is considerable redundancy and that only two squares are actually involved directly in the solution. However, I have provided a possibly over detailed solution to establish a technique for approaching similar problems in the future.
Conversation Starter · 2 hrs
Friday Solution. Posted 25 October 2019.
Clues listed by number.
1) Mr Green lives in Leeds.
2) The guard lives in Pudsey approximately midway between Bradford and Leeds.
3) Mr White's salary is £3,100.00 per annum.
4) Brown regularly wins the fireman at snooker.
5) The guards nearest neighbour, earns exactly three times as much as he does.
6) The guards namesake lives in Bradford.
With reference to figure1
For this particular problem many of the boxes will not be used as some of the categories are mutually exclusive, for example the staff members cannot also be passengers at the same time. However, to demonstrate the general principle a complete grid is shown in which each category overlaps with every other.
Dealing with the straightforward cases first.
Clue#1 can be recorded on the grid by placing a tick at the intersection of the Mr Green row and the Leeds column as shown in red. The remaining boxes in the sub row & sub column of the sub-grid can be filled with crosses because Mr Green cannot live in more than one place at the same time etc. This will always be the case whenever a tick is placed in a box.
Clue#2 can be recorded by placing a tick at the intersection of the Pudsey row & Guard column as shown in yellow. The remaining subrow boxes & sub-column boxes being filled with crosses as before.
Clue#4 that Brown wins the Fireman at snooker tell us that Brown cannot be the fireman and this clue is transferred to the grid as a cross at the intersection of the Brown row and Fireman column, as shown in green.
Clues#3 & 5 nead to be taken together to reach a conclusion. Clue3 that Mr whites salery is £3,100.00, which is not divisible by three & clue#5 that the guards nearest neighbour (therefore must be living in Pudsey) earns exactly three times his salary, rules out Mr White from living in Pudsey. A cross can therefore be placed at the intersection of the Mr White row & the Pudsey column. This is shown in blue on the grid.
With reference to figure 2
Looking at the passenger/hometown subgrid certain deductions can be made:-
Mr White has already two crosses in his row and therefore the only place left for him to come from is Bradford. Filling in the remaining subrow and sub-column boxes with crosses leaves only one box empty in the Mr Brown row, thus confirming that he must come from Pudsey. This information is shown in magenta on the grid.
Clue#6 can now be recorded as a tick in the white row & Guard column because we are informed that the guards namesake ( i.e. White) lives in Bradford. The remaining subrow boxes & sub-columns boxes can be filled with crosses. These actions are shown in Black on the grid.
Further deductions can now be made. Browns subrow has two crosses indicating Brown is the driver. Although we don't need to know this, the crosses resulting from a tick in the Brown/Driver box indicate that Green is the fireman.
Therefore the answer to the question is that Brown is the Driver.
It is seen that in this particular problem there is considerable redundancy and that only two squares are actually involved directly in the solution. However, I have provided a possibly over detailed solution to establish a technique for approaching similar problems in the future.
the guards nearest neighbour (therefore must be living in Pudsey)
that isn't a true statement the nearest neighbour can be living anywhere inside the circle with pudsey in the cantre and leeds and bradford on the circumference.
that isn't a true statement the nearest neighbour can be living anywhere inside the circle with pudsey in the cantre and leeds and bradford on the circumference.
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