WILL ANYONE EVER TRUST.....

Americans in the Middle East.  People moan.

Americans leave the Middle East.  People moan.

Where is the moan? an observation surely. That trite cliched reply is exactly why I don't bother much on here anymore. The whole world is alarmed at the US (Uturn) change of policy for no acceptable reason. but not you apparently.

America have had enough of trying to police the world
Trump is right to bring the troops home
Let someone else take on the burden they’re good at criticising from
the sidelines , a bit like the op

His reason just proves how bats**t crazy this system is

"they didn't help us in WW2"

The world is mental, if its not giving this idiot their attention, they are giving it Colleen Rooney and Rebekah Vardy

Had the US not been planning a withdrawal for quite some time and are we aware of how many troops were actually still there?

If Britain or the EU wants to send troops , go ahead

"POLICE THE WORLD" They spend trillions of taxpayers money but invading countries which they destroy,kill millions of civilians all for the benefit of someone else.

terry it’s Turkey that has invaded , have a word with them

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Trump withdrawing troops allowed this to happen IFC

Ah, I thought you said America was only there for its own benefit

Make your mind up

America isn't asking for anyone's trust. It has the help of the public both at home and in Britain to basically risk their lives in any war the politicians make up. That's all they need

^ see the thanks the Americans get ?

Well done president Trump , bring the troops home

Apparently there was only a very small American presence there, but while the few Americans did stay, the Turkeys were reluctant to risk spilling American blood so they held back.

Then of course as soon as America pulled out, the way was clear for Turkey to go in.

This was Trump completing another of his election pledges.

Just leave them alone to sort it out.

Western meddling in their affairs will never bring peace.

It's interesting how people and the media are blaming America (and in particular, President Trump) instead of laying into Turkey who are, you know, the ones doing the actual waging-of-war thing.

They are,they want unrest IFC

nonsense terry , if you want Britain or the European countries to send troops in
then I suggest you ask them
Send a letter to Merkel

Maybe ask Ireland to send an army ,
they sat with their arms crossed and watched and refused to help in WW2 also

remember that as well

But oh look

3.6m migrants flooding Europe

Thanks Trump, another facking one to the list then

If the Europeans want to stop that its up to them , they can use their own troops
America is bringing its troops home , good
Stop whining at America, it’s easy to criticise from the sidelines

Oct 10, 2019 -- 2:42PM, lfc1971 wrote:

Maybe ask Ireland to send an army , they sat with their arms crossed and watched and refused to help in WW2 also remember that as well

Typical lfc. Praising america for pulling out their troops while criticizing Ireland for not sending troops to a war that the English were fighting for them anyways.

You should do comedy. Maybe a youtube channel

It’s like this , if you are going to return voluntarily to a country to face trial
Then you will have to feel secure that you will receive a fair trial and fair treatment
And that you will be safe ( I wouldn’t go back to any number of countries all over the world eg )
It’s obvious from the comments here and elsewhere , which the American woman will have read
that must be in doubt

Would I trust someone like detraveller , or dustybin or little dave to come to a fair conclusion
or many tens of thousands others in Britain ( perhaps millions )?


No , I  would not , sorry

I'm glad to hear it, because you are clearly a glove puppet.

^ see what I mean ?

Oct 10, 2019 -- 3:27PM, lfc1971 wrote:

It’s like this , if you are going to return voluntarily to a country to face trial Then you will have to feel secure that you will receive a fair trial and fair treatment And that you will be safe ( I wouldn’t go back to any number of countries all over the world eg )It’s obvious from the comments here and elsewhere , which the American woman will have read that must be in doubt

That's exactly what I was saying, but you still didn't like it.

Basically if I commit a crime in UK and as a result generate enough hatred against myself, I should not go back to face trial.

That's exactly what both of us said.

And I am glad we think the same way.

Too much hatred , from certain people in Britain towards America
clouds and distorts judgement

It’s enough certainly to make the diplomats wife think twice about returning

diplomats wife wont think twice about returning even though she faces no charge because
of her immunity

op is 100% correct here, imo

its just not right to let down these people who were our feet
on the ground in the fight against terror.

they deserve our support.






turkey off holiday list, not usa, thats still on, but they really should have done better.

@lfc I am assuming you are also in favor of the rape gang cases accused not to be tried in the UK? Clearly there is enough hatred against them among the British people. Can we trust British courts to give them a fair trial? Your logic says we can't.

No , America is tired of having to carry the burden and the cost of policing these countries
They have tried to do so , unfortunately times up

Detraveller i don’t care what they think
If they are in Britain they will have to stand trial , simple

So they just have to leave the country and then britain has no justification to try them, right?

Ah no ,detraveller
You see if you are incapable of thinking logically , as just there
That’s another reason not to return or trust in a fair trial

I see.

Every day I think you have reached the peak of your mental capabilities but then you come up with another gem and I have to put it at the top. This one today goes right at the top and will take some beating.

Thanks for the entertainment anyways

A combination of illogical thought , combined with a hatred or indeed bias against America
Would of course worry the diplomats wife ,

It’s not a pretty or ideal combination

Have to go

Nonsense! 100% the truth IFC

Its LFC not IFC

110% now

Typical lfc. Praising america for pulling out their troops while criticizing Ireland for not sending troops to a war that the English were fighting for them anyways.

@detraveller England is not the UK.

Scotland did their duty and fought in that sacred undertaking

russia beat them 4-0

...although they did stuff them at rugga...

We beat Russia 61-4 on aggregate yhtl.

How's this all working out?, the reassurgence of IS? they have already broken out of one jail. Never mind, the one dimensional scousefc will be along to tell us. BTW he has been nominated as THE moeons, moron. Step up and accept your much deserved award.

The Yanks they change sides so many times , whatever suits their agenda and national interests and their money power and oil

Spot on. 

Boxing hope you are ok dude , yes the yanks have plenty of form for this sort of thing

The arms race who profits the big multi national companies , look at trident renewal 4 subs each as 40 warheads thats 160 warheads altogether , did you know 1 warhead as 8 times the capability of the bomb that dropped on Hiroshima on WWW2

Costing about 80 to 100 billion

A lot of dough to blast the planet pieces a thousand times

Money well spent on our defence.

You can't call trident a defense system when it doesn't work against migrants on dinghies

By the way, no one has actually bothered to read the details(as always) of this American pullout.

They haven't even pulled out. They've vacated a base and moved back to another base, freeing the region for Turkey as was agreed with Trump. A grand total of 50 soldiers it was. I was hoping someone would have pointed that out by now.

DrC mentioned the numbers involved.
I thought they had taken some out of Turkey altogether though.

The Trident money will be spent over a number of years and helps fulfil our financial commitment to NATO.

shep smith out at fox.can send all his make up to the orange fffff

we'll be ok as long as were an aircraft carrier for the yanks,face it thats all we are

Turkey have got the EU by the nads though.  The ****a from Ankara said yesterday he'll allow 3.4 million refugees to flood across the Bosporus if the EU interfere.  I saw Tusk throwing in his tuppence worth earlier.  Didn't amount to much … more of a wee wet fart.

Waynekera

Oct 12, 2019 -- 12:12AM, akabula wrote:

DrC mentioned the numbers involved.I thought they had taken some out of Turkey altogether though.

What were the numbers?  2000 back in March, I believe.  Nowhere near that at the end though.  I heard 50 mentioned on the day, but I can't believe it would be as low as that, Shirley ... oder?

Trump was elected on a manifesto to bring American troops back home .
America is a country just like any other and they are heartily sick of the burden of having
I can’t blame them , and of course the usual suspects who cry about America’s involvement are now
crying when they go back home
Well too bad , you are going to have to learn a bitter lesson
And pipe down

America woukd like to help , but unfortunately times up

It makes me smile to see these usual suspects wasting their lives away seething about and knocking the Don day in and day out.  They'll be on their death beds, drawing their final breaths on this mortal coil and ask themselves, "Where did my life go?"  Bitterness and anger rots the soul.  They would be wise to remember and act upon that fact.

Sorry I hadn't seen DrC's post.

@trilby, from what I have read there are only about 1000 american soldiers in Syria.

Thank you, detraveller.  I heard something on the radio earlier about them getting sent to Saudi.  Only heard a snippet, so maybe crossed my wires.  Sure it'll be confirmed soon enough.  Tschüss and good luck with any bets you may have today.

It is not as simple as saying a thousand troops are present in Syria. And similarly the move about moving 50 of them isn't that significant. The US could get them back in place in a matter of minutes, though of course it will be tougher to get the same control back immediately.

Then there is neighboring Iraq where I would guess the americans are still present in decent numbers? The planes that do the bombarding surely fly from Iraq and don't really need any ground control in Syria. Also in a place like Syria where there's no air force against them, they probably just use drones and for that they don't need to be present there. I was reading that american drones are watching from the sky as turkish air force whizzes past them for bombardment. But I didn't really get what the author was trying to say.

Then there are the private contractors. A quarter of american strength on the ground in the middle east are private companies offering their services/men. Moving these private troops around doesn't really make news and im guessing they would also not need congress approval for sending more of these like they do for american troops.

In short, what Trump did was basically insignificant. Like I mentioned before, it was just a politicial deal with Erdogan.

"In short, what Trump did was basically insignificant." detraveller I have to take issue with you, the nightmare is just unfolding. We have seen nothing yet. BTW sending (if it happens) 50 US troops to Saudi is significant, it's called a 'human shield'.

Middle East will stay a nightmare for some time. I am not sure what exactly is unfolding if 50 troops change their base. Its already a shethole with everyone trying to bomb the region themselves and not liking it when someone else does.

I don't know much about the troops in Saudi Arabia but moving 50 troops there could easily be a legal move(for the legality of a future war). If America does want to bomb some place there in the future they don't really need an excuse, but its always better to have one.

We do know that they moved 50 troops but we dont know if they sent in 100 private troops. And that's the problem with this war business in the middle east.

Too complicated no one can be bothered with that nonsense anymore
Americans have their own lives to lead and are quite right to come home

Having been to these countries and many more in the middle east I have found them to be friendly nice people. Not sure about the politicos though. So why the problems?   It might  have something to do with one lot are of a sunny disposition and the other lot are sh!te.
You can see the devil in the detail of following an instruction manual.

Anyone who can't see the ramifications of this stupidity is brainless......cue Lfc.

America leave the Kurds in deep poo but since May,US middle east forces were increased by 14,000 the War Department said.
"Waging endless wars in multiple theaters,the statement falsely claimed the US "does not seek conflict with Iran"-while all out Trump regime economic terrorism seeks to crush its economy and starve its people into submission,Nuremberg level high crime unexplained.
Iran is the regions leading proponent of peace and stability,seeking cooperative relations with other countries,confrontation with none".

Iran is an evil regime involved in terrorism , murder and torture
Including the total repression of its own citizens

A close mind is no excuse IFC,there is tons of stuff on line to back it up,get real pal

I’m not interested, I just have to look at it’s the mullahs in charge in Iran
Until that changes I don’t want you or anyone else worrying about America
Thanks

Once those fkers are gone we can take another look