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He says he used to really enjoy the Athletics World Championship but he can longer support Team GB as it just doesn’t feel the same 
He hasn’t watch the England football team on television for years.
He hasn’t watch the England football team on television for years.
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Me neither
Most of them are imported talent, same with the cricket team really
Most of them are imported talent, same with the cricket team really
There was an African bloke on the facebook football page telling the brits to thank them for their great teams
He was slaughtered of course, but is he wrong? I wouldn't say so
Trevor Noah (comedian) was bashed for saying the French team was mainly Africans, but he was pretty much spot on
He was slaughtered of course, but is he wrong? I wouldn't say so
Trevor Noah (comedian) was bashed for saying the French team was mainly Africans, but he was pretty much spot on
Same here. I'm sure Raheem Sterling, Dina Asher-Smith, Mo Farrah et al are pleasant people but they're about as English as a pineapple.
Belgium and France (especially) are other countries that are reliant on their colonial past.
Any country that wants to compete on the Track needs Black Athletes
Oct 5, 2019 -- 8:22PM, lybertyne wrote:
Same here.
Some didn't even move here until a few years ago either
Steve, do you think that you may be able to talk some sense in to your mate?
I’ve tried to understand his position mate. I am my mate if it was anything to do with Brexit but he said no it was not.
It’s hard to pick out detail from the grainy footage, but it’s clear from the commentary that something odd has just happened at the 2009 English Schools’ championships. How on earth have Kent managed to storm into the lead in the 4x100m relay? Were there some irregularities in the baton handover? “I haven’t seen any red flags go up yet,” the commentator says, sceptically. For anyone watching 10 years later, the answer is obvious: the replay shows the first Kent runner handing the baton to a 13-year-old Dina Asher-Smith.
The footage, uploaded to YouTube by her mother Julie, is probably Asher-Smith’s first TV appearance. She hares down the back straight and gives the baton to her teammate Sophie Ayre, who rounds the final bend in first place. “We immediately had her on second leg as it’s the longest,” Ayre said. “She was so easy to work with in a team and we all had fun practising. I was on third leg so she passed me the baton and we always had a really good change.”
The 23-year-old ran the same leg for Great Britain’s 4x100m team at the IAAF world championships in Doha on Saturday. They held off the USA to finish second: a silver medal to add to her 200m gold and 100m silver, both new British records, and all accomplished with her trademark beaming smile.
World domination beckons. Asher-Smith has a first-class degree in history from King’s College London. Vogue and Elle have feted her, as have Stormzy and Dave, the rapper who won the Mercury prize last month. Last year she and her fellow gold medallist Katarina Johnson-Thompson, who won the heptathlon on Friday, modelled on the catwalk at Paris fashion week.
The two women may just be the stars that British athletics needs to nudge people back on to the track. While football, cricket and swimming have all seen falling levels of participation at grassroots, running had seemed to be the one sport that was bucking the trend, with nearly 7 million people running regularly.
The growth of parkrun and health drives through programmes such as Couch to 5k have led to more street runners, particularly women. Yet the number of people doing regular track and field events such as sprinting, high jump and javelin has been falling. In November 2016 Sport England’s Active Lives Survey recorded 249,000 people taking part regularly in track and field activities. By November 2018 that figure had fallen to 197,000.
Asher-Smith is now focusing on an Olympic gold medal – or two, maybe even three – in Tokyo next year and Ayre can imagine how her competitors feel. In the junior girls’ category she ran for Medway and Maidstone, rivals to Asher-Smith’s club, Blackheath and Bromley Harriers, and she got used to watching the younger girl’s back disappear into the distance.
“Whenever anyone saw they were in a heat with Dina they knew it was bad news,” Ayre said. “She has always been amazing and I know my dad had said from the get-go she’s going to be incredible.
“She was always so modest and one of the nicest people I ever met on the track.”
Modest, humble, kind, enthusiastic and bright are words that crop up time and again when people describe Asher-Smith, from coaches and teachers to classmates and competitors.
Dina – short for Geraldina – was born and grew up in Orpington, one of those suburbs on the fringes of south-east London where there seems to be a park around every corner. Her family home is in one of the many streets around Poverest Park which backs on to Perry Hall primary school, the two places that cemented Asher-Smith’s early love of her sport.
“She would have been seven,” said Teri Carty, who ran Perry Hall’s running club every Monday lunchtime. “To start with I was running with her. And then she would just overtake me. But I did keep plodding through. She would have a big smile on her face as she ran past me again. It wasn’t a belittling smile, it meant ‘you’ve given me this opportunity and I’m using it’.”
High-place finishes at inter-school cross-country competitions swiftly brought her to the attention of Blackheath and Bromley Harriers.
“She did three of those, and I always remember the last one,” Carty said. “She said: ‘I’ve had enough of this.’ She was fed up being cold and wet. She always did amazingly well. And that’s when she turned it round and decided she wanted to do shorter distances.”
By this time Asher-Smith had started going to Perry Hall’s summer athletics club, doing javelin and sprinting and other track and field sports. “My lasting memory of her was the way she bounced over some little hurdles that we set up as a warm-up,” said teacher Jonathan Hewitt. “All the other kids just plodded over them. She was like a gazelle, as though she had springs on her feet.”
By the time Asher-Smith went on to secondary school, sprinting had become a serious pursuit and she started to be selected for competitions around the country: county events, then national championships for Kent, then the Commonwealth Youth Games.
“I still smile at the fact that her mum was very, very concerned that it might interrupt her learning,” Carty said. “And I think that gave Dina that push to think I must show Mum or Dad that I can do both.”
She could: at Newstead Wood school – a selective girls’ grammar in Orpington – Asher-Smith achieved a remarkable 10 A* GCSEs, then three As at A-level. In 2015, the year after she won the 100m at the World Junior Championships and after a summer in which she had set a British record in the 200m at her first world championships, in Beijing, she began reading history at King’s College London. By the time she graduated with a first, she had an Olympic bronze medal.
“To be able to do what she’s done academically as well as the commitment that she’s had to give to be where she is in sport, you know, that’s amazing,” said Perry Hall’s headteacher, Lorraine Richards.
Last year, after a clean sweep at the European championships with golds in the 100m, 200m and 4x100m relay, Asher-Smith began to show the rest of the world that she is not only an athlete. She appeared on the cover of Elle magazine and featured with several other significant figures in the video for south London rapper Dave’s single Black. She appeared on the Jonathan Ross Show and bantered with Ross and the other guests without a stumble.
“You don’t get invited on chatshows unless you’re good – you’ve got to be entertaining and you’ve got to be able to tell a story that is going to be amusing,” said Nigel Currie, a sports marketing expert. “And she’s got all that.”
Currie says Asher-Smith’s choice to become a sprinter is what makes her so marketable. “Sprinting is the blue ribbon event. There’s lots of events and lots of opportunities to break world records or be the fastest woman in the world,” he said. “She’s burst on to the scene at exactly the right time, a year before the Olympics. She’s probably got the potential to become the highest-paid female athlete we’ve ever had.”
Children and staff at Perry Hall school are also looking forward to the Olympics, where there are signs that Asher-Smith really might prompt a boom in track and field participation. Louise Davison, who was in the year above Asher-Smith and ran 800m for Blackheath and Bromley Harriers, is now a teacher at the school and has taken over the running club. “I have had 15 children come to me today and say ‘Can I have a running club letter, can I have a running club letter?’” she said. “They’re now really enthusiastic about joining, knowing that was where Dina started.”
The headteacher agrees. “Last time she came here, she brought her medals,” Richards said. “I think she was really overwhelmed with how excited the children were to see her.”
For all her achievements so far, her teachers still recognise the little girl who first started at their school. “She’s no different,” Carty said. “I’ve seen her since she was four and a half. And I see her now on TV and she’s just a taller four-and-a-half- year-old, if that makes sense. She’s not changed at all.”
The footage, uploaded to YouTube by her mother Julie, is probably Asher-Smith’s first TV appearance. She hares down the back straight and gives the baton to her teammate Sophie Ayre, who rounds the final bend in first place. “We immediately had her on second leg as it’s the longest,” Ayre said. “She was so easy to work with in a team and we all had fun practising. I was on third leg so she passed me the baton and we always had a really good change.”
The 23-year-old ran the same leg for Great Britain’s 4x100m team at the IAAF world championships in Doha on Saturday. They held off the USA to finish second: a silver medal to add to her 200m gold and 100m silver, both new British records, and all accomplished with her trademark beaming smile.
World domination beckons. Asher-Smith has a first-class degree in history from King’s College London. Vogue and Elle have feted her, as have Stormzy and Dave, the rapper who won the Mercury prize last month. Last year she and her fellow gold medallist Katarina Johnson-Thompson, who won the heptathlon on Friday, modelled on the catwalk at Paris fashion week.
The two women may just be the stars that British athletics needs to nudge people back on to the track. While football, cricket and swimming have all seen falling levels of participation at grassroots, running had seemed to be the one sport that was bucking the trend, with nearly 7 million people running regularly.
The growth of parkrun and health drives through programmes such as Couch to 5k have led to more street runners, particularly women. Yet the number of people doing regular track and field events such as sprinting, high jump and javelin has been falling. In November 2016 Sport England’s Active Lives Survey recorded 249,000 people taking part regularly in track and field activities. By November 2018 that figure had fallen to 197,000.
Asher-Smith is now focusing on an Olympic gold medal – or two, maybe even three – in Tokyo next year and Ayre can imagine how her competitors feel. In the junior girls’ category she ran for Medway and Maidstone, rivals to Asher-Smith’s club, Blackheath and Bromley Harriers, and she got used to watching the younger girl’s back disappear into the distance.
“Whenever anyone saw they were in a heat with Dina they knew it was bad news,” Ayre said. “She has always been amazing and I know my dad had said from the get-go she’s going to be incredible.
“She was always so modest and one of the nicest people I ever met on the track.”
Modest, humble, kind, enthusiastic and bright are words that crop up time and again when people describe Asher-Smith, from coaches and teachers to classmates and competitors.
Dina – short for Geraldina – was born and grew up in Orpington, one of those suburbs on the fringes of south-east London where there seems to be a park around every corner. Her family home is in one of the many streets around Poverest Park which backs on to Perry Hall primary school, the two places that cemented Asher-Smith’s early love of her sport.
“She would have been seven,” said Teri Carty, who ran Perry Hall’s running club every Monday lunchtime. “To start with I was running with her. And then she would just overtake me. But I did keep plodding through. She would have a big smile on her face as she ran past me again. It wasn’t a belittling smile, it meant ‘you’ve given me this opportunity and I’m using it’.”
High-place finishes at inter-school cross-country competitions swiftly brought her to the attention of Blackheath and Bromley Harriers.
“She did three of those, and I always remember the last one,” Carty said. “She said: ‘I’ve had enough of this.’ She was fed up being cold and wet. She always did amazingly well. And that’s when she turned it round and decided she wanted to do shorter distances.”
By this time Asher-Smith had started going to Perry Hall’s summer athletics club, doing javelin and sprinting and other track and field sports. “My lasting memory of her was the way she bounced over some little hurdles that we set up as a warm-up,” said teacher Jonathan Hewitt. “All the other kids just plodded over them. She was like a gazelle, as though she had springs on her feet.”
By the time Asher-Smith went on to secondary school, sprinting had become a serious pursuit and she started to be selected for competitions around the country: county events, then national championships for Kent, then the Commonwealth Youth Games.
“I still smile at the fact that her mum was very, very concerned that it might interrupt her learning,” Carty said. “And I think that gave Dina that push to think I must show Mum or Dad that I can do both.”
She could: at Newstead Wood school – a selective girls’ grammar in Orpington – Asher-Smith achieved a remarkable 10 A* GCSEs, then three As at A-level. In 2015, the year after she won the 100m at the World Junior Championships and after a summer in which she had set a British record in the 200m at her first world championships, in Beijing, she began reading history at King’s College London. By the time she graduated with a first, she had an Olympic bronze medal.
“To be able to do what she’s done academically as well as the commitment that she’s had to give to be where she is in sport, you know, that’s amazing,” said Perry Hall’s headteacher, Lorraine Richards.
Last year, after a clean sweep at the European championships with golds in the 100m, 200m and 4x100m relay, Asher-Smith began to show the rest of the world that she is not only an athlete. She appeared on the cover of Elle magazine and featured with several other significant figures in the video for south London rapper Dave’s single Black. She appeared on the Jonathan Ross Show and bantered with Ross and the other guests without a stumble.
“You don’t get invited on chatshows unless you’re good – you’ve got to be entertaining and you’ve got to be able to tell a story that is going to be amusing,” said Nigel Currie, a sports marketing expert. “And she’s got all that.”
Currie says Asher-Smith’s choice to become a sprinter is what makes her so marketable. “Sprinting is the blue ribbon event. There’s lots of events and lots of opportunities to break world records or be the fastest woman in the world,” he said. “She’s burst on to the scene at exactly the right time, a year before the Olympics. She’s probably got the potential to become the highest-paid female athlete we’ve ever had.”
Children and staff at Perry Hall school are also looking forward to the Olympics, where there are signs that Asher-Smith really might prompt a boom in track and field participation. Louise Davison, who was in the year above Asher-Smith and ran 800m for Blackheath and Bromley Harriers, is now a teacher at the school and has taken over the running club. “I have had 15 children come to me today and say ‘Can I have a running club letter, can I have a running club letter?’” she said. “They’re now really enthusiastic about joining, knowing that was where Dina started.”
The headteacher agrees. “Last time she came here, she brought her medals,” Richards said. “I think she was really overwhelmed with how excited the children were to see her.”
For all her achievements so far, her teachers still recognise the little girl who first started at their school. “She’s no different,” Carty said. “I’ve seen her since she was four and a half. And I see her now on TV and she’s just a taller four-and-a-half- year-old, if that makes sense. She’s not changed at all.”
Of course, prejudice is such a negative and potentially destructive emotion.
Prejudice is an affective feeling towards a person based on that person's perceived group membership. The word is often used to refer to a preconceived, usually unfavourable, evaluation of another person based on that person's political affiliation, sex, gender, beliefs, values, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, language, nationality, beauty, occupation, education, criminality, sport team affiliation or other personal characteristics.
Good to know that it doesn't raise its ugly head on this forum.
Prejudice is an affective feeling towards a person based on that person's perceived group membership. The word is often used to refer to a preconceived, usually unfavourable, evaluation of another person based on that person's political affiliation, sex, gender, beliefs, values, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, language, nationality, beauty, occupation, education, criminality, sport team affiliation or other personal characteristics.
Good to know that it doesn't raise its ugly head on this forum.
Me too.
Miss the days of supporting our teams containing the likes of Allan Lamb, Graham Hick, John Barnes, Kevin Pietersen, Greg Rusedski, Terry Butcher, Tessa Sanderson and Mike Catt.
So much better back then.
Miss the days of supporting our teams containing the likes of Allan Lamb, Graham Hick, John Barnes, Kevin Pietersen, Greg Rusedski, Terry Butcher, Tessa Sanderson and Mike Catt.
So much better back then.
We've always had the odd imported talent but nowadays its gone way beyond that
Joffrey Archer for example, wasn't eligible until 2021? but was fast tracked
Stolen talent isn't the best way to win, it makes us cheats really
Joffrey Archer for example, wasn't eligible until 2021? but was fast tracked
Stolen talent isn't the best way to win, it makes us cheats really
I think you will all find modern day elite sport across the world has numerous examples of participants performing for adopted countries. It is a mix of those who have genuinely settled in their new countries, some who have just gone there to avail of the more sophisticated training facilities and have been able to do so because the new country is related to them or their birth nation, and some who have been attracted by money - the new country offering financial inducements to attract superior athletes as this will assist the growth of the sport in the new country. A mix of these are happening EVERYWHERE.
No one would begrudge Eoin Morgan playing for England as he wanted to perform at the highest level.
However, guys. Wake up. If you are going to slag off English track and field athletes because they are black, that's just plain racism and says more about your own bitterness and the failures of your own existences. Just because it wasn't like when you were growing up. You do realise you are mostly referring to people who were born in the UK, some of whom can be not just 2nd generarion immigrants, but now as much as third?
I'd thought we had gone beyond the fact that black athletes out perform their white equivalents. There's been enough studies around the make up those of African origin as well as the element of getting out of poverty, and that some of us have more drive and ambition to do that and others.
I'll either be ignored, or insulted.
No one would begrudge Eoin Morgan playing for England as he wanted to perform at the highest level.
However, guys. Wake up. If you are going to slag off English track and field athletes because they are black, that's just plain racism and says more about your own bitterness and the failures of your own existences. Just because it wasn't like when you were growing up. You do realise you are mostly referring to people who were born in the UK, some of whom can be not just 2nd generarion immigrants, but now as much as third?
I'd thought we had gone beyond the fact that black athletes out perform their white equivalents. There's been enough studies around the make up those of African origin as well as the element of getting out of poverty, and that some of us have more drive and ambition to do that and others.
I'll either be ignored, or insulted.
Angoose 05 Oct 19 22:06 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 8,075 | Blogger: Angoose's blog
Of course, prejudice is such a negative and potentially destructive emotion.
Prejudice is an affective feeling towards a person based on that person's perceived group membership. The word is often used to refer to a preconceived, usually unfavourable, evaluation of another person based on that person's political affiliation, sex, gender, beliefs, values, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, language, nationality, beauty, occupation, education, criminality, sport team affiliation or other personal characteristics.
Good to know that it doesn't raise its ugly head on this forum. Happy
What on earth are you talking about? I’m 99% sure my mate feels the way he does because of the political situation in this country at the moment. I’ll catch up with him later today and try and find out more.
Why do people like you constantly feel the need to create a ‘them and us’ situation. You seem to be looking for trouble no matter what. Does trouble/conflict excite you?
Of course, prejudice is such a negative and potentially destructive emotion.
Prejudice is an affective feeling towards a person based on that person's perceived group membership. The word is often used to refer to a preconceived, usually unfavourable, evaluation of another person based on that person's political affiliation, sex, gender, beliefs, values, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, race/ethnicity, language, nationality, beauty, occupation, education, criminality, sport team affiliation or other personal characteristics.
Good to know that it doesn't raise its ugly head on this forum. Happy
What on earth are you talking about? I’m 99% sure my mate feels the way he does because of the political situation in this country at the moment. I’ll catch up with him later today and try and find out more.
Why do people like you constantly feel the need to create a ‘them and us’ situation. You seem to be looking for trouble no matter what. Does trouble/conflict excite you?
I think the Archer one is probably pretty significant for the WestIndies,i.e. will we ever see a dominant West Indies cricket team again?
Ok its been quite a while since they were strong in the 5 day test match format but surely others will follow Archer as should imagine the commercial and financial opportunities are far greater over here?
Ok its been quite a while since they were strong in the 5 day test match format but surely others will follow Archer as should imagine the commercial and financial opportunities are far greater over here?
I've got news for some people if they're worried about prejudice in sport
Following or supporting any team since sport began has been about prejudice.
People usually support a team or a sportsperson that they can associate with, but if the common ground they share with that team or person is insufficient, then they will not follow.
Following or supporting any team since sport began has been about prejudice.
People usually support a team or a sportsperson that they can associate with, but if the common ground they share with that team or person is insufficient, then they will not follow.
Angoose thanks for posting 05 Oct 19 22:02.
Really enjoyed reading that.
Really enjoyed reading that.
My pleasure, it is a very good article that deserves to be read.
Angoose 06 Oct 19 11:18 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 8,109 | Blogger: Angoose's blog
My pleasure, it is a very good article that deserves to be read.
Your post has no relevance. Mate never mentioned anything regarding prejudice as to why he no longer supports Team GB or the England football team.
Angoose you seem to be stirring trouble for no apparent reason except your own personal pleasure!
Steve seems very careful to defend "his mate".
"I've got news for some people if they're worried about prejudice in sport
Following or supporting any team since sport began has been about prejudice.
People usually support a team or a sportsperson that they can associate with, but if the common ground they share with that team or person is insufficient, then they will not follow.
"
Very true. Everyone in the world is prejudiced. It's just a question of degree and some are a lot more than others. Football is tribal in nature. I'm sure that has a lot to do with it's popularity.
Whenever people debate anything barely ever do the opposite sides say "I understand why you think that, but I disagree because ..." If you want to win people over, (ok probably you won't) or calm someone down, or want people to understand your view that's the way to approach it. But people don't, because they are just too prejudiced and one dimensional in their thinking. By saying, I understand why you think that but, shows that you are less prejudiced than most imho.
Following or supporting any team since sport began has been about prejudice.
People usually support a team or a sportsperson that they can associate with, but if the common ground they share with that team or person is insufficient, then they will not follow.
"
Very true. Everyone in the world is prejudiced. It's just a question of degree and some are a lot more than others. Football is tribal in nature. I'm sure that has a lot to do with it's popularity.
Whenever people debate anything barely ever do the opposite sides say "I understand why you think that, but I disagree because ..." If you want to win people over, (ok probably you won't) or calm someone down, or want people to understand your view that's the way to approach it. But people don't, because they are just too prejudiced and one dimensional in their thinking. By saying, I understand why you think that but, shows that you are less prejudiced than most imho.
What are your credentials for being English or British?
Does having white skin mean you are British lybertyne?
Was George I British? or George II or George III? Was the Duke of Normandy British?
What was the first language of Richard Coeur de Lion? Let me give you a clue...he was also Duke of Normandy, Aquitaine and Gascony, Lord of Cyprus, Count of Poitiers, Anjou, Maine, and Nantes, and was overlord of Brittany...Very British!
Does having white skin mean you are British lybertyne?
Was George I British? or George II or George III? Was the Duke of Normandy British?
What was the first language of Richard Coeur de Lion? Let me give you a clue...he was also Duke of Normandy, Aquitaine and Gascony, Lord of Cyprus, Count of Poitiers, Anjou, Maine, and Nantes, and was overlord of Brittany...Very British!
Yes we know all that Whisper, but what's your point?
As pointed out, Mo has never failed a drug test, however, he has drawn suspicion and - sticking to facts- by :
1. Turning from also ran to world beater at the age of 26. This was the same time that he met Alberto Salazar (convicted drug cheat), Jama Aden (potentially facing bird for EPO supply) and having a training partner caught on camera buying EPO.
https://honestsport.com/2017/08/11/r...ing-epo-kenya/
2. Missing the doorbell with the testers. They were outside for 1 hour knocking every 10 mins. Easily done. Twice.
3. Training in drug tester free Kenya until the testers moved in.
4. Then trained in Ethiopia where they had no testers.
5. The doc who 'forgot' to record the injection he gave to Mo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/39627807
6.The USADA report where Mo had 83 times the recommended limit of vitamin D and said he was using prescription drugs without need.
Of course, this could all be entirely coincidental.
Stolen from another forum but the point is good
He was a nobody until meeting Salazaar, a pretty average runner who only shot onto the scene at what 30? then he racks up record and medals just after meeting Salazaar ffs. Its not just him its all of them, they come baring gifts, offer them bags of cash and fame, set their families up for life and all they need to do is drug, win and then keep their traps shut and take the blame when they are eventually "outed", they don't lose the money gained do they, but the real scumbags will then move onto the next individual to exploit for financial gain.
The fact is its time they were all gotten rid of, not just the cheats but the corporations than obviously facking run the game from their glass towers.
1. Turning from also ran to world beater at the age of 26. This was the same time that he met Alberto Salazar (convicted drug cheat), Jama Aden (potentially facing bird for EPO supply) and having a training partner caught on camera buying EPO.
https://honestsport.com/2017/08/11/r...ing-epo-kenya/
2. Missing the doorbell with the testers. They were outside for 1 hour knocking every 10 mins. Easily done. Twice.
3. Training in drug tester free Kenya until the testers moved in.
4. Then trained in Ethiopia where they had no testers.
5. The doc who 'forgot' to record the injection he gave to Mo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/39627807
6.The USADA report where Mo had 83 times the recommended limit of vitamin D and said he was using prescription drugs without need.
Of course, this could all be entirely coincidental.
Stolen from another forum but the point is good
He was a nobody until meeting Salazaar, a pretty average runner who only shot onto the scene at what 30? then he racks up record and medals just after meeting Salazaar ffs. Its not just him its all of them, they come baring gifts, offer them bags of cash and fame, set their families up for life and all they need to do is drug, win and then keep their traps shut and take the blame when they are eventually "outed", they don't lose the money gained do they, but the real scumbags will then move onto the next individual to exploit for financial gain.
The fact is its time they were all gotten rid of, not just the cheats but the corporations than obviously facking run the game from their glass towers.
Salazaar is just another fall guy. fine him and ban him from the sport for life, just to be seen like they are doing something
I think we know that achieves fack all, the next patsy will be brought in and then outed when he/she needs to be
A joke of a system. The system has to protect itself, the human is collateral damage.
Cheats come and go but the system set up for profit remains no matter what
I think we know that achieves fack all, the next patsy will be brought in and then outed when he/she needs to be
A joke of a system. The system has to protect itself, the human is collateral damage.
Cheats come and go but the system set up for profit remains no matter what
And that goes for just about everything in society
The police force etc, a system that ultimately has to protect itself, so the human is put out to protect it
The police force etc, a system that ultimately has to protect itself, so the human is put out to protect it
We live in a world where you're no more than 12 hours away from any other person or country on the planet, where families relocate every day and tragically, diaspora is a geo-political fact.
Given this, it's prestty nonsensical to expect or desire a British / English / National team to be made up of folks who can trace their bloodline back to the Anglo Saxons.
If any representitive is proud to pull on my national shirt and gives it their all, then I'm supporing them, irrespective of the colour of their skin and where they were born.
Given this, it's prestty nonsensical to expect or desire a British / English / National team to be made up of folks who can trace their bloodline back to the Anglo Saxons.
If any representitive is proud to pull on my national shirt and gives it their all, then I'm supporing them, irrespective of the colour of their skin and where they were born.
Oh no hanx,
I am sure lybertyne is a true Brit. Anglo Saxons are scum foreigners to him no doubt. If Lybertyne walks around in white dresses with woad on his face he might be able to clarify what he thinks a true Brit is!
I am sure lybertyne is a true Brit. Anglo Saxons are scum foreigners to him no doubt. If Lybertyne walks around in white dresses with woad on his face he might be able to clarify what he thinks a true Brit is!
Anybody born here is British...that is the law
Whether they are white, black, brown or bright purple.
We could further define people into White British, Black British, Asian British or Euro British, etc
But they would all be BRITISH
When I suggested my further definitions to somebody he said I was racist
So I am afraid we are all British...we cannot get round it.
Whether they are white, black, brown or bright purple.
We could further define people into White British, Black British, Asian British or Euro British, etc
But they would all be BRITISH
When I suggested my further definitions to somebody he said I was racist
So I am afraid we are all British...we cannot get round it.
If people want to watch white British sports people only...they are probably not going to be watching much sport
Still each to their own
Still each to their own
If I was a billionaire athletic type sports team owner my team would be solely of people with African descent you'd be foolish to have a team of pasteys aint got the genes unfortunately.
Anybody born here is British...that is the law
Britain is the Roman name for the island. Albion is its correct name, I live in Carlisle and that lays in the ancient kingdom of Rheged one of the many kingdoms in the island of Albion
Britain is the Roman name for the island. Albion is its correct name, I live in Carlisle and that lays in the ancient kingdom of Rheged one of the many kingdoms in the island of Albion
Simples really......you can only represent the country you are born in.Full stop.Nothing racist can then occur afterwards.Born in Britain you are British and same for every country across the globe.
No it's not that simple. There isn't a problem in any case, certainly not at International level. The Premier League has changed far more and is the most succesful league in the world and dominates the media. I prefered it when it was more competitive, and not dominated by the same clubs every year, and I wish there were more home grown players. Given that why would a flying fook if one of the English squad was born in Timbuktu. It's cricket and rugby that have an issue, if there is an issue, with foreign players. I'd probably have a problem if I was Fijian or Samoan mind. The one sport they are any good at and Western powerhouses pinch their star players
Steve's mate can do what he wants.
Steve's mate can do what he wants.
so your ancestry does not count then? you should reprecent the country of your ancestry exceptions for mixed race they one from the two
Anyhow, the problem, if there is a problem in football, is at club level, not International level. Seems club fans don't feel there is a problem, so it's all a whole lot of nothing
if you've moved and had a significant amount of schooling in that country fine but do have problems with adults qualifying for another country after 2 or 3 years residency. that's ludicrous really
Club sport totally different. International sport is about the best of one country playing the best from another.
Morgan is Irish and quit Ireland because they didn't play test cricket at the time. The ICC should never have allowed it. Rankin played for Ireland, England then Ireland. Pathetic.
It's well documented about Lamb, Smith, Pietersen and Trott. Zola Budd? Embarrassing. Hick? Same. Declan Rice played 2 friendlies for the Republic and kissed the badge. Career move which should never have been allowed.
Asher - Smith however is as English as roast beef and a credit to this country.
Morgan is Irish and quit Ireland because they didn't play test cricket at the time. The ICC should never have allowed it. Rankin played for Ireland, England then Ireland. Pathetic.
It's well documented about Lamb, Smith, Pietersen and Trott. Zola Budd? Embarrassing. Hick? Same. Declan Rice played 2 friendlies for the Republic and kissed the badge. Career move which should never have been allowed.
Asher - Smith however is as English as roast beef and a credit to this country.
Guys I really do not know how this thread has turned into another Betfair forum race thread. It seems the Left have yet again been looking to stir-up trouble. Why do they love conflict? Anyway I need to stress the point that my mate is himself Black. Please do not fall for the Leftist race baiting.
If the main core of your team is English then I think it represnts England. If the balance is made up of close affiliates such as someone with an English grandparent, or a refugee then that's fair enough too.
It wasn't that long ago that you had to be born and bred in Yorkshire to be able to play for them. If you play for Liverpool you are representing Liverpool and English teams in Europe. That's a distinction you make. It's not one I make. There have been plenty of occasions when English teams have fielded no English players. That crosses the line for me. England having 22 English players and say Mikel Arteta a problem? Seriously? when English teams in Europe have fielded 11 foreign players? As for Declan Rice he has an Irish grandparent. He's English with an Irish affiliation. He'd have been tapped up by Ireland at a young age and I dare say had FIFA rules been different, he'd never have played those friendlies. It's fair enough imo if he wasn't good enough to play for England, to play for Ireland because he has an affiliation there, but he is undoubtedly English. Had he been born and bred in Ireland, with an English grandparent, and switched from Ireland to England, then I could see why the Irish would be upset, and the player's character called into question, but that's not the case.
It wasn't that long ago that you had to be born and bred in Yorkshire to be able to play for them. If you play for Liverpool you are representing Liverpool and English teams in Europe. That's a distinction you make. It's not one I make. There have been plenty of occasions when English teams have fielded no English players. That crosses the line for me. England having 22 English players and say Mikel Arteta a problem? Seriously? when English teams in Europe have fielded 11 foreign players? As for Declan Rice he has an Irish grandparent. He's English with an Irish affiliation. He'd have been tapped up by Ireland at a young age and I dare say had FIFA rules been different, he'd never have played those friendlies. It's fair enough imo if he wasn't good enough to play for England, to play for Ireland because he has an affiliation there, but he is undoubtedly English. Had he been born and bred in Ireland, with an English grandparent, and switched from Ireland to England, then I could see why the Irish would be upset, and the player's character called into question, but that's not the case.
When managers try to create a good International sports team, they always look for the best players.
If they see a good player and know there is a way he can qualify for playing for our country they will take him.
If they see a good player and know there is a way he can qualify for playing for our country they will take him.
I need to stress the point that my mate is himself Black.
Brilliant Steve, I've got a mate as well who doesn't support Team GB anymore.
And he's blind.
Brilliant Steve, I've got a mate as well who doesn't support Team GB anymore.
And he's blind.
Most fans only want to see England or Britain win
They do not look too closely into the provenance of all our players, but assume it must be legal by some definition.
Our football league teams are even worse...last year English league teams dominated Europe
How many English players in our teamss? looked more like a foreign legion at times.
Still if people demand a much higher level of provenance, that is fine with me
each to their own.
They do not look too closely into the provenance of all our players, but assume it must be legal by some definition.
Our football league teams are even worse...last year English league teams dominated Europe
How many English players in our teamss? looked more like a foreign legion at times.
Still if people demand a much higher level of provenance, that is fine with me
each to their own.
Dr Crippen07 Oct 19 20:04
I need to stress the point that my mate is himself Black.
Brilliant Steve, I've got a mate as well who doesn't support Team GB anymore.
And he's blind.
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Oct 7, 2019 -- 7:51PM, Steve Voltage wrote:
Guys I really do not know how this thread has turned into another Betfair forum race thread. It seems the Left have yet again been looking to stir-up trouble. Why do they love conflict? Anyway I need to stress the point that my mate is himself Black. Please do not fall for the Leftist race baiting.
So much for the tolerant left!!!
Is this the thread where all the racists unite to spout their bigotry?
Watching England is just not the same anymore
Steve Voltage
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Not sure why. I just carnt relate to the players like I used to. It’s like there is no connection. Boring even.
wonder what it will be next year
Steve Voltage
Steve Voltage
07 Jun 18 21:44
Joined: 23 May 09 | Topic/replies: 3,240 | Blogger: Steve Voltage's blog
Not sure why. I just carnt relate to the players like I used to. It’s like there is no connection. Boring even.
wonder what it will be next year
Jackson Hastings just won Rugby league man of steel (subject of publicised Hills betting dispute) just been picked for Great Britain,doubt he'd set foot in this country before signing for Salford in July 18,qualifies through a Grandmother born in Plymouth.
I always find that youtube film of 68 London clears my head when debating these issues
I think the good times are not so much over but at set to subside somewhat at next years games in Tokyo, it's been a sharp upward trajectory ever since bombing in Atlanta 96 but our medal haul is set to drop quite a bit, projection around 43 medals which is a drop of 24 from Rio! Sounds to me like your friend caught wind of this and is jumping ship
we have been spoiled really ever since Sydney, even finished 2nd 4 years ago in the table in front of China and behind America who are glued to the top, to go from 1 Gold and just 15 medals in 1996 to 29 golds and 65 medals in London was some feat. Wonder who'll the flag bearer will be this time, maybe Dina Asher-Smith or Johnson-Thompson?
we have been spoiled really ever since Sydney, even finished 2nd 4 years ago in the table in front of China and behind America who are glued to the top, to go from 1 Gold and just 15 medals in 1996 to 29 golds and 65 medals in London was some feat. Wonder who'll the flag bearer will be this time, maybe Dina Asher-Smith or Johnson-Thompson?
It won't be either of those two. Depends who is competing and when, but they'd need to have won Olympic medals in the past which neither of those two have done. Jade Jones, having won gold at the previous 2 Olympics, would have a leading chance, if she's there.
Jade Jones won world gold in 2019 so imagine she will be there injury permitting
Mark Foster was the flag bearer for Britain in Beijing in 2008 and he never won an Olympic medal, think KJT and Dina have a chance
Mark Foster was the most experienced GB swimmer of all time. His was a lifetime achievement gig. Redgrave (twice) Chris Hoy and Andy Murray surround him. I don't know who should be fave. but Jade Jones has very solid credentials, so until I hear a better suggestion I'd say she is. She's female and Welsh (can't see anyone from Wales being given the honour yet).
Peaty, Jade Jones, Laura Trott, Alistair Brownlee and Max Whitlock? are names that spring to mind to me as the obvious contenders
but you said they had to have won Olympic medals?
Lucinda Green never won Olympic medals either pre 1984, she went onto win silver in the same games however
agree that Mark Foster was very deserving though.
don't think having won an Olympic medal is a official criteria, think it's someone who is just fitting, KJT is the British record holder in Heptathlon now, has won Golds in Worlds, worlds and European indoors and Commonwealth and will be a genuine contender for Olympic Gold. They built Jess Ennis as the poster girl of 2012 games as an heptathlon athlete, every chance they could do the same in Tokyo?
Lucinda Green never won Olympic medals either pre 1984, she went onto win silver in the same games however
agree that Mark Foster was very deserving though.
don't think having won an Olympic medal is a official criteria, think it's someone who is just fitting, KJT is the British record holder in Heptathlon now, has won Golds in Worlds, worlds and European indoors and Commonwealth and will be a genuine contender for Olympic Gold. They built Jess Ennis as the poster girl of 2012 games as an heptathlon athlete, every chance they could do the same in Tokyo?
Brownlee a good shout, maybe they could break with protocol and have the Brownlee brothers!
think all the sports nominate someone and then the team management decide. be surprising though if wasn't a previous olympic champion. it's not like GB have any shortage of recent candidates
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