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HGS
26 Sep 19 15:19
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I voted Leave in the referendum, (big surprise I know), yet my constituency on the whole voted to Remain. Now whilst I think the referendum result on the whole should be upheld, I can just about understand why my local MP still supports remain. What I cannot understand is why some MP's such as Anna Soubry from as soon as the result was made have gone against the majority of her constituents and after campaigning under a Tory manifesto which vowed to honour the result. I'm sure there are plenty of others,  but have named her as probably the most blatant to think she knows better than her subjects.
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Report n88uk September 26, 2019 3:24 PM BST
If they believed it was best for their constituency yes. But should be noted, that all MPs have done so far is gone against no deal Brexit, not gone against Brexit as a whole. The majority of constituencies also voted against no deal Brexit at the last election.
Report Crisp77 September 26, 2019 3:28 PM BST
Well if they keep doing it the public will realise we don't need them and the big decisions will go to a big X Factor style public vote.
Report mafeking September 26, 2019 3:34 PM BST
lot of talk about the ERG blocking may's deal but hardly any opposition MPs voted for it on any of the 3 occasions. doesn't seem like backing brexit and a pretty soft version at that to me Confused
Report casemoney September 26, 2019 3:46 PM BST
all MPs have done so far is gone against no deal Brexit   Laugh

Are you having a larf they Have absolutely no interest in any fooking Deals . They want Brexit

off the Table ,and TBH I would respect them more if they said that , if Fooking pinnochio syndrome

were real you would not be able to get into the HOC , Blocked by Nasal Extremities ,..

Dishonest Scum END OF ...
Report trilby22 September 26, 2019 4:14 PM BST
Laugh Case knows!
Report Ramruma September 26, 2019 4:19 PM BST
Case does not know! We'd already have left if the ERG (including Boris) had not kept voting against Theresa May's deal.

That is the paradox. It's the Remainers who were voting to leave, and the Leavers who voted to remain.
Report casemoney September 26, 2019 4:27 PM BST
If that was the Case RAM that deal will be back on the table
Report n88uk September 26, 2019 4:39 PM BST
May's deal wasn't a soft Brexit at all, it kept no real integration with the EU at all outside of those required over the backstop.

Imagine it was voted down because it was clearly worse than what we have now and it was also way too much of a blind Brexit which could turn into anything later, an even bigger problem when she started promising to resign if you pass it given it was known Boris would be next leader.
Report n88uk September 26, 2019 4:41 PM BST
As is May's strategy of just bringing back the same thing would have probably worked in the end as enough Labour MPs would have bitten the bullet probably, and then gone down the road of controlling the next stages of the process through legislation. This is still a possible strategy now, however is tougher under Boris who is showing a total disregard for the law.
Report trilby22 September 26, 2019 4:49 PM BST
May's surrender treaty was WORSE than remain.  Hth.
Report Ramruma September 26, 2019 5:57 PM BST
The trouble is the Leavers were never asked what Brexit should look like -- that should have been sorted out before the referendum.

So each Leaver has a different idea of the perfect Brexit and none of them matched Theresa May's deal. These are the so-called unicorns.

You'd have hoped that complete mess David Cameron made would have put us off ex-Eton ex-Oxford ex-Bullingdon Club prime ministers, but apparently not.
Report impossible123 September 26, 2019 6:05 PM BST
^^
Accept it you, einstein. The Referendum was very specific and self-explanatory ie to 'Leave' or 'Stay' in The EU - nothing about a 'Deal' or 'No Deal'; just 'Leave' or 'Stay'. Which bit you do not understand, please?
Report Ramruma September 26, 2019 6:25 PM BST
The bit where all the Leave campaigners, and the Leave literature, and even Boris with his "million to one chance" ruled out no deal. If you remember, all the talk was of how easy it would be to make a deal.

And btw "no deal" means we will need to spend the next few years negotiating deals. The problem will not go away.
Report impossible123 September 26, 2019 6:57 PM BST
Look. The UK wants to 'Leave' with a 'Deal' if it's forthcoming, but if the 'Deal' is carp the we'll 'Leave' without a 'Deal', if need be; The EU are doing just that playing hardball (they can see we are not-united and exploiting it) with backstop; just insert a specific workable/acceptable clause for a specific duration, and a 'Deal' will be acceptable by us and The EU. I'm certain of that.

I do not want to see or hear any more blame game being played out in The House of Commons. I just want to hear and know how they are going to do it; compromise is the way forward eg those wanting to 'Leave' with 'No Deal' would have to compromise and accept 'Leaving' with a 'Deal' and those not wanting a Brexit can take a hike - 2016 Referendum indicated Brexit, and accept Brexit with a 'Deal'.

I no longer care what the MPs say...I just want Brexit to be over with or without the blessing of the MPs. If the MPs cannot/unwilling to accept that then give the public a General Election asap - let us decide Brexit and/or their fate.

A prolong no trade deal is no good to The UK or The EU thus an agreed trade deal asap is beneficial to both entities; The UK buys in more than we export to The EU. It will not be a problem so please do not say it will be; asks the business community? A trade is two-way.

I'm sick of this yearly monumental net contribution to a community we do not want to be in given its direction for the future and humongous number of "toxic" new member states of economic irrelevance, but a burden to The UK and a small handful of net EU contributing member states.

Mr Tusk, Mr Barnier and Mr Juncker can get lost hopefully back to their respective country all not net contributor to EU funds; I'm being amenable and not using the same flowery lingo as Mr Tusk eg hell, the clock is ticking; just let us 'Leave' and you can take the ticking clock with you back to The EU or Poland.
Report doridoru September 26, 2019 7:27 PM BST
No they are surrender humbug traitors! (omg what harsh words!!)
Report trilby22 September 26, 2019 8:42 PM BST
You are a VERY BAD man, Dori!

Meanwhile, to answer the op, they'll quite likely find out at the next election that it isn't.  Imo.
Report tobermory September 27, 2019 8:58 PM BST

Sep 26, 2019 -- 5:57PM, Ramruma wrote:


The trouble is the Leavers were never asked what Brexit should look like -- that should have been sorted out before the referendum.So each Leaver has a different idea of the perfect Brexit and none of them matched Theresa May's deal. These are the so-called unicorns.You'd have hoped that complete mess David Cameron made would have put us off ex-Eton ex-Oxford ex-Bullingdon Club prime ministers, but apparently not.


The real unicorn is how on earth leavers were meant to get the details of Brexit sorted before the referendum. The EU would have needed to have agreed to spend months negotiating a hypothetical withdrawal deal. And who would they have negotiated with ? Cameron, who didn't want a leave vote and was going to resign if there was one? The Vote Leave group ?, or Farage, who was a separate entity from that ?. The idea that people only voted leave because they were supporting a deal that didn't exist is a remainer invention. People voted to Leave. There was no deal on the ballot paper.

Report HGS September 27, 2019 9:05 PM BST
Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? Quite straight forward. Tied to the customs union isn't leaving the European Union.
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