Geoffrey Cox Brilliant!

In a former Prime Minister's words, "No deal is better than a bad deal". I don't agree that the UK will be harmed in the long-term because we would save the £ billions we currently have to contribute to prop up the failing enterprise. Even Mark Carney has said the outcome of a no-deal Brexit would not be as severe as predicted. The worst possible outcome would be to become a slave state in order to save the great United States of Europe.

TURNING and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of i{Spiritus Mundi}
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at laSt,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
William Butler ****

ps

joe cox was murdered by a mentally ill  man following voices in his head
like so many other mentally ill murderers  who seem to have taken out a lot more victims in this country

we are out on the 31st  so why are you trying to stop it?   wonder who seeks to benefit from this tactic

Sep 26, 2019 -- 5:03PM, n88uk wrote:

Wouldn't be calling people thick if you believe that tbh.

Well, I would ... and I do!

Sep 26, 2019 -- 3:53PM, n88uk wrote:
I mean the sort of bile we heard from Boris last night is normally what you get in like Daily Mail comments section, but it's norm just in those places, you do not expect such obvious stoking division from the PM of the country.

What bile did he speak n88uk. You obviously never watched him speaking and are reacting to the lies in the media.

oh dear we are in Trumpland again

Anxious another one who never watched.

'Dem wannabe conservatives and wannabe patriots just ain't got no decent bone in themselves.

Boris managed to rise above the rabble yesterday and show why he's the PM.
All this anger btw is nowt but virtue signallers with no real argument clutching at straws.

Never heard bigger humbug, and I've read posts from JS M.

And unelected.

bit like Roy Keene

indeed abraham glad you concur

Thug? Where did that come from?

an unelected chancer

And Jeremy, your hero, is of course only a supporter of thugs.

lol he is not my hero ,however again you listen to the daily fail and the torygraph to much me thinks

I watched in the entirety. There was too many disgraceful comments to list them all. But just a few:

- Saying best thing for Jo Cox's memory was to get Brexit done.
- Telling MPs the best way to stay safe was to vote for whatever Brexit deal he brought back
- Constant either vote for me I will drive hatred against you rhetoric. Especially here as it's laughable the idea that leaving on Oct 31st suddenly makes the country come back together again as he was implying.
- Constant inflammatory language, even towards former Tory MPs when warning him of the dangers of his language, he instead simply doubled down
- Similar to above but a willingness to stoke fires of anger especially against women who he knows will be most vulnerable to outside attack, not even the slightest attempt to cool the temperature, instead he increased it with results already seen today.

Would be the main ones that instantly come to mind, all in all combines for the most disgraceful performance from any PM ever.

More lies in that n88uk than in todays papers so well done in that respect.
The comment on honouring the memory of Jo Cox was maybe too subtle for you. He was of course referring to them not honouring democracy whilst voting against leaving the EU.
As for the accusations of inflammatory language that is nothing but remainers trying to deflect from them refusing to honour a vote that they said they would.
2 options leave or remain. Nothing else. So surely you go by the vote. Impossible to unite the country although you seem to be suggesting that by ignoring the vote it will.

Parliament has been trying to honour the vote, it is constantly stymied by governments inability to work with parliament.

When has leave been stopped exactly?

I am not implying you can unite the country by remaining no, I think you are pretty much doomed on uniting the country with any option.

that diatribe from numpty nate proves everything we already knew; namely that he/she only sees one side. Now who does that remind us of? Yes in one, the totally unbiased MSM who couldn't give an unbiased report even if their careers depended on it. A disgraceful post

Parliament has been trying to honour the vote, it is constantly stymied by governments inability to work with parliament.

Yes and by taking No Deal of the table you will be telling us they strengthened our hand.

Stymied

How you can defend Bulingdon regarding his Humbug remark his unbelievable , the simple facts are that himself and his lovechild cummings have encouraged more of the politics of hate

the race to the bottom , more trickle down and more glorifying war like slogans, more garbage from the tory lie machine

The humbug remark was aimed at the lies that were said about him.
But obviously a sensitive wee soul like you would be deeply offended.

What lies ?

Maybe help if you watch proceedings anxious.
BTW would need to go some to match Corbyn and McDonnell in the fibbing stakes.

This does serve show the array of talent the Tories has on tap.

They seem to have an endless stream of articulate heavyweights like Cox, Boris, Mogg, Gove, ready to step forward and dominate a debate.

Yet look at the Labour lot. Take away the hysteria and abuse, and they haven't got one who can deliver more than a couple of sentences without having it written down in front of them.

They're totally outclassed. This must be the poorest bunch of Labour MPs in the history of the party.

lol an array of talent more like lying chancers

There you go.

Anxious giving us a perfect example of the shop floor rhetoric employed by many Labour MPs.

Crippen how you can call the likes of bullingdon , rees fogg , gove as political heavyweights is nonsense , they have the gift of the gab but very little attention to detail , come an election campaign when bullingdon is not protected by Cummings etc he will be shown up to be the buffoon he truly  is

Cummings in now in charge of the tory party now anyway

I see.

Almost a full house for Anxious 'bingo' in this thread

what you don't understand is that anxious has become a remainer and a mummysmentum supporter - tells me if I don't like what labour is up to then I should leave the party
ho ho

we are a broad church - but not according to anxious.
#
this is what Labour is becoming - everywhere it is intolerance of any questioning or opposite viewpoints

Anx, if Boris gonna get shown for what he is in an election campaign, why after years of asking for one, don't Labour agree to one? Without a pact between Tories and the Brexit Party, he even has a squeak yet he doesn't fancy it much still.

As a very long term member of the party it is simply not how I would conduct myself having held many positions in the party in the past.  It is absolutely disgraceful.  The tactic should be not to sink to the tory level and hold back from provocation.

Instead we have virtual signalling, victimhood.  False flags, false accusations, huge exaggerations of supposed assaults and staff threatened.  Racist card played.  Direct personal insults.  Need I say more.
They should have remained above this 'name calling'.  Maintained some sort of dignity but they are incapable because we do not have much if any quality left in the party.    Tony Benn must have spun out of his grave by now.  So many chances to gain ground and every time we fumble and drop the ball.
In military terms do they not realise if you withdraw a few miles then the enemy will only be firing into a blank space to no effect?   

A GENERAL ELECTION - a laugh  -  don't hold me up!!

ps  poor man utd are in a bit of a fix are they not?

Sep 27, 2019 -- 2:28PM, HGS wrote:

Anx, if Boris gonna get shown for what he is in an election campaign, why after years of asking for one, don't Labour agree to one? Without a pact between Tories and the Brexit Party, he even has a squeak yet he doesn't fancy it much still.

People are still peddling this garbage? I realise that it's because it's what the government are peddling but people really need to educate themselves.

All the government are offering is a trap to dissolve parliament so no deal happens by accident on October 31st, that's it. Geoffrey Cox himself even exposed this on Wednesday.

It's quite clear the reason Conservatives are upset is they expected Corbyn/Labour to fall for it and they didn't.

A November election will be fine.

Tories will team up with Farage.Nap
They will gain a big majority at the next election.

labour kidding themselves if they think their demolition will be less worse in november than october

Likely to be worse worse. Lots of their constituents in the north voted Leave so if they block Brexit no more magic grandpa

What about people who decide how they will vote over more than 1 reason?

If Brexit has not gone ahead, many will need just the 1.

n88uk • September 27, 2019 4:54 PM BST
What about people who decide how they will vote over more than 1 reason?

Good point . Can you please refresh me as to what other policies within their manifesto will make them even remotely electable ?

Moisok im sorry but i dont what you are waffling about i am not a remain supporter , i voted to leave but i was not fanatical about it , you as i said before are free to think what you want and support whom you want , i will not and never will support the likes of farage and Bullingdon

When the election comes the result will be hard to call , the electorate is very volatile at the moment and any result is possible, to the tories i would say yes be very confident but remember what happened last time when Chairman May and the  Spiv Press thought she was 100 majority cert , and dear look what happened

Pride before a fall

ALL SPIVS V MUMMYSMENTUM REMAINERS

So come the election then who will you be voting for comrade

can't be critical of the mummymentum supporter anxious

or I will have to leave the party - it is so funny really

and you turn out now to be a remainer

hehe

we will brook no criticism what so ever  - love it

A card carrying member who will you vote for ?

You can say what you want i dont give a fook what you think about me

You’ve got to remember this is a coup, we  ie europe can control the Greeks, Italians and the the French, Britain a little different,,bulldog spirit and all that ,let’s divide the country .then we have an opening .. it’s a circus ,fired at you from telly, radio and the freak that is social media...IMO

following what rich boy lansman his lecturers and howling mob of student dictate

you ought to see what mummy's lot have put up against johnson should there be an election

the sign of things to come

If the party offers us brexit I will vote for the party - hope this helps

Youve still not answered the question will you be voting Labour in the election ?

So thats all you will base your vote on is Brexit , nothing else not the Tory Austerity for example

If they offer brexit.  I can never vote tory.  Could even abstain. 

you will slavishly follow the rich boy lansman's lot

BREXIT!!!!  Have you considered the party hasn't a hope in hell with it under control of rich boy lansman?

Farage would you vote for him then ?

He will offer you Brexit i think

no
the party must go for brexit  - the eu does not do many favours for us in the uk

I rest my case

Labour will not be offering Brexit i dont think , probably Corbyn  would personally but the party is split

Its not about Momentum or any one person , its about who has power

they do

Who is they the EU ?

rich lansman his lecturers and howling mob of students

i dont think so , but you despise the moderates dont you , benn , kinnock starmer etc

You dont like the leadership , you dont like blairites , so what is left ?

Labour are the only mainstream party offering an actual idea of how to implement Brexit, the other parties either aren't offering it or have no idea how they want to do it.

Labour's plan for Brexit is that at the next election they will “campaign for free movement, equality and rights for migrants, extend free movement rights” and “extend equal rights to vote to all UK residents and remain in a permanent Customs Union”.

Not really Brexit at all and a massive contradiction from Jeremy Corbyn’s manifesto pledge in 2017 (just after the Referendum result) to end freedom of movement “when we leave the European Union”.

I am so very very old and very very old Labour - I do not recognize these shrieking harlots and suave suits as having anything to do with original Labour principles

after clause 4 being ditched

but there is something much more sinister which has been inserted into the party

do I need to go on or do you not see it anxious?

Times change Moisok the party ditched clause 4 over 20 years ago , which was wrong but blair wanted victory so he distanced himself from the unions ,  as for Momentum they are a pressure group i dont agree with a lot of their ideas , but thats the way it is campaigning is different these days etc

Its either the likes of Jeremy or Keir Starmer

no it's not the way  - they abuse and use the name of Labour and its history.  The two you mention are our own SPIVS the term you love to use  careerists and well off people.  Leading lights like Lady Nugee (I mean how on earth did this happen?)#
kinnocks rich on the fat of the eu and turning us around and blair  for goodness sake
now kinnock junior parachuted into a safe seat

same as the failure at the CPS Starmer (the irony named after a great socialist!!)  who had to resign and also parachuted into a safe seat and rapidly pushed to the fore

Pull your head out of your erse and look around at it  -  and the slow take over of interest groups who have no interest in us and out ideas, principles and culture.

#you have rich boy lansman controlling the NEC   - what more do you want to show you the state of the party

He is on the NEC  he does not control it ,  didnt he work for Tony Benn in the late 70 s and early 80s

The way i look at it is  still  better than the tories

of course he controls it - you simply do not understand

with his sycophants of course - but what he says goes

worse than the spivs

he RELISHES proper control of the   party

or has all these constituency issues passed you by?

deselection all round - just like the spivs

meanwhile an insidious creeping change is coming over the party membership and its prospective candidates

while you are shouting at the SPIVS  it is happening

No deselection has always been with us just not in formal manner , did you disapprove of kinnock chucking out Militant in the 80s  bowing to the daily mail and thatcher

The NEC when blair was in charge took no notice of the left , thats the way it goes

They selected Blairites and got rid of the left

The Labour Party has always been a reformist party , some socialists join it some dont

kinnock was on a de socialisation of the party as was blair

and look at the mess

Control of any party is always in the hands of one group

n88uk
Labour are the only mainstream party offering an actual idea of how to implement Brexit, the other parties either aren't offering it or have no idea how they want to do it.

Labour don't even know if they want Brexit and if they do, what they are proposing isn't really Brexit imo. Still tied to the EU.

jemma don't like the eu but he is sh!t scared of rich boy Lansman and his crew

Jemmma ffs , thats what that fookin abbots does

By the way on a different subject completely i did read the carl froch said the earth is flat , period

People have only been made to believe that the Labour Brexit "isn't really Brexit over time". In June 2016 the Norway model was the most popular model, it was the model The Telegraph pushed as the "only sensible model", now they'd say it isn't Brexit, but it's disaster capitalist con.

let's face it jemma and his mummy's boys have turned the party into sh!t, whilst pushing the country further in the mire

sir desmond having a snooze
https://www.fantasticoh.com/beep?id=7ea9025f4e5a41dc&fc=true&og=false

Swinson is a total liar saying Boris brought up Cox, she is a massive danger to this country and yes is a total traitor, she needs Cox in her face!

Me thinks moisok talks a lot of sense