What happened at the supreme court?

Gina was looking good.  I wonder what's her next plan for more exposure.  Must be making a mint out of contributions etc.
Good luck to her.  I love an ingenious entrepreneur.   I do feel she is doing a lot of damage to potential trade with her country.

Believe it may be next week when a ruling is made, yet we will have no end of it til then.

The judges deserve praise for staying awake during the presentation by Gina's  QC.

The judges deserve praise for staying awake during the presentation by Gina's  QC.

Millers entourage is hilarious; especially her PR biatch

But it is very encourage for newcomers to our society.  A grate example. A very fine plaice to settle. No wonder people are streaming to us from across the globe.  When they finnish playing politics it will become a fine country to trade with.

Never seen so many Boxes of Paper how much is this Shyte costing the Taxpayer ?

It was live on both BBC News and Sky for most of the two sessions, live stream available direct from the Supreme Court, further streams available from numerous sources that also provided running commentary, yet the OP starts by stating that nothing was available from the media

Tomorrow will be a further two sessions of evidence.

Possible that an initial verdict will be delivered before the end of the week.
Full written summary will not be available until next week some time.

The queen is guilty, Boris is guilty, we want anarchy but wont get it

The queen will pretty much say she's thick as pig s*it, complex answer she was misled

Bozo will state he's thick as pig sh*t, complex answer he was wrongly advised

Tony blair will come out and say he wants round 2

Sica Dan 
The judges deserve praise for staying awake during the presentation by Gina's  QC.


Best QC  in his field by a country mile, think Boris may lose this one.

they haven't got the guts. It would set an extremely dangerous precedent; & one were there is no return from

Lord Jonathon Sumption, a former Justice of the Supreme Court, appeared on Newsnight last night.
Emily Maitlis interviewed him, asking a series of questions on two main topics.

Those topics were the ongoing court cases that were raised to challenge the legality of the proroguing of parliament, and the robustness of the Benn Bill.

Proroguing of Parliament
Q. Would it be odd for you if Scotland and the Supreme court weren’t on the same page?

A. The law is exactly the same in both Scotland and England, there may be a difference of opinion between the Scottish courts and the English courts as to what it is but we’ve had the same parliament and the same monarch for 300 years and there cant be a difference , a different law in Scotland and in England about what the relations between them are.

Q. How do you explain the divergence of outcomes?

A. One of the two courts is wrong.

Q. Which one do you think it is?

A. Well, I’m not going to be dogmatic about this, the situation is too novel.
My own view is the orthodox opinion is the one given by the English courts, but one has to accept that if you behave outrageously and defy the political culture on which our constitution depends , a lot of judges are going to be tempted to push the limits out, and the problem is that Boris Johnson has taken a hammer and sickle to our political culture in a way that is profoundly provocative to people who believe that there ought to be solutions consistent with our traditions.

He went on to say:

The essential issue is whether there are any legal standards by which you can distinguish between good political reasons for proroguing parliament and bad political reasons for proroguing parliament. If it’s all politics, it’s hard to see how the courts can decide between the two without taking an essentially political view. But we are in an extraordinarily unusual situation and undoubtedly government has behaved disgracefully and that is a situation which is going to be very difficult to predict what happens.

Q. So, you would accept then the judiciary does have to become, to a degree, politicised?

A. No, I wouldn’t, I think if they’re wise, they’ll take the same view as the divisional court did in the High Court in England. But if the government loses, in a sense, it will serve them right, but serve you right is not really a very good juridical principle.

Benn Bill
Sumption stated that "It’s  a very tightly drafted act, it’s obviously been professionally drafted and the courts interpret legislation so as to give effect to its obvious purpose unless there is something in the language that makes that absolutely impossible."

Q. Do judges look for loopholes?

A. No, they look for ways of closing loopholes, they look for ways of saying that the purpose of the act is actually achieved.

What happens if Boris loses....Parliament reopens, I assume???????

That would be the likely remedy. However, Lord Keen was unable to answer when asked if Boris would prorogue parliament again. He also introduced precedents where political motive had been used to frustrate the scrutiny of parliament.

He still cannot leave the EU without a deal...that would be against the law

I see he was talking about building a £150 billion pound bridge between N.Ireland and Scotland

Probably hoping the N.Ireland protestants will then allow EU checks before the bridge.

It is the backstop which is causing the main disagreement with the EU.

and undoubtedly government has behaved disgracefully That one line tears up all the other lines

This is not Politics its a point of law, so saying "they haven't got the guts " has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Lawyers always use precedents Angoose

More questions than answers at the moment.
I wouldn’t rule out The Hulk storming the court tomorrow on a zip line

Sep 17, 2019 -- 10:14PM, UBLE/REGY wrote:

Lawyers always use precedents Angoose

Indeed, but I have a feeling that the justices will feel that the world has moved on from such behaviours being acceptable.

angoose

the hulk angoose

Party Conferences .HOW CAN IT REOPEN ? So all this Shyte Might boil down to a week and a half Difference

You cannot make it up ... Legal teams getting the Absolute Lot over a complete Load of Bollix..

3 fooking years these tw@ts have been ponseing about, and now they are up in arms over 8 days  PMSFL

WTF do they think it will Achieve ??

Boris may become Unwell for 8 days  , Doctors Note

Sep 17, 2019 -- 10:14PM, Baphornet wrote:

and undoubtedly government has behaved disgracefully  That one line tears up all the other lines

Yet he still believes that the court would be wrong to intervene.
If so, it means that Boris could prorogue parliament indefinitely and wouldn’t even have to lie as to the reasons why.

how is it a point of law if there is no precedent?

he has no proof the government behaved any other way but properly, it's his opinion

Parliament could have chosen to cancel conference season.

By proroguing on Monday last week, Boris avoided both PMQ”s and an appearance before the liaison committee.
To date, this clear avoidance of scrutiny has not been mentioned.

The evidence submitted from the office of No.10 provides a trail that points to a motive other than the officially stated one.

If Boris loses, can he take it to the European Courts? 

no idea bap

That is a good defence against the precedent argument...the world has moved on? Angoose

Interpretations can and do change over time.

HGS

Sep 17, 2019 -- 10:25PM, HGS wrote:

If Boris loses, can he take it to the European Courts? 

Mark Francois ruled that option out on Politics Live

you mean Parliament would have cancelled conference season; so Bozo got in 1st & did what any PM in his position would have. They've moved enough goal posts with the unbiased Bercow & then cry when a move is made to scupper him, & slither to the courts

Boris could have done with Bercow yesterday in Luxembourg to keep the protestors in check

a severe lack of police presence was noticeably evident. I wonder how many Euros that mob cost? Probably a lot less than than Bray & his rent-a-mob

The most senior judge in the UK says the case surrounding
Boris Johnson's suspension of Parliament raises "a serious and difficult question of law"

So we would be doing well if we solved this on chit chat

The judges must decide whether the advice Boris gave to the Queen about prorogation was lawful

Powers available to the government should not be unlimited. The courts will be clear on this.
However, the question is did the government overstep their powers and by which legal standard can that be judged.

A written constitution may be necessary at some future point in time.

as they don't know what he told her; how does that work?

truthful.

They do know, it is in the letter delivered by Jacob.

they have no idea what he said to her in phone calls before that

Call the Queen as witness

Interesting debate just finished on Newsnight, Lord Falcolner reckons Boris needs knocking down a peg or two.

Well if bojo was telling the truth then another person was complicit in the deceit.

Looks like the hearing will run for three days.

I thought the gina miller show had already been thrown out or do my SKY eyes deceive me?

anything to stop us leaving the eu - they are desperate -  they knew we would vote to stay in - they had the evidence - the establishment - the civil service and government even campaigned against it  - they knew they had it in the bag - they even got Obomber to verify it and threaten the back of the queue - and the chancellor told us we needed an emergency budget THE NEXT DAY  if we voted against

oh fkn oooooops!!!!

the gina miller show funded by who exactly - they must have plenty of dosh invested in the markets and are sh!tting themselves if they are on the wrong side

we are leaving in fact

PARLIAMENT VOTED FOR IT

just thought I would mention it.

Aidan O'Neill - QC for the SNP numpty, has in one fell swoop kicked himself & the appeal in the nuts. One down & one to go

"I say to this court ... stand up for the truth, stand up for reason, stand up for unity in diversity, stand up for parliament, stand up for democracy by dismissing this government’s appeal and uphold a constitution governed by laws and not the passing whims of men.

We’ve got hear the mother of parliaments being shut down by the father of lies. Rather than allowing lies to triumph, listen to the angels of your better nature and rule that this prorogation is unlawful and an abuse of power which has been entrusted to the government.

This government is showing itself unworthy of our trust as it uses the powers of its office in a manner that is corrosive of the constitution and destructive of the system of parliamentary representative democracy on which our union polity is founded.

Enough is enough. Dismiss this appeal, and let them know that. That’s what truth speaking to power sounds like."

Very elegant angoose

we are leaving in fact

PARLIAMENT VOTED FOR IT Moisock

PARLIMENT ALSO VOTED WE CANNOT LEAVE WITHOUT A DEAL

So Boris better start negotiating one.

The Backstop, no hard border on the island of Ireland...appears the main difficulty

The EU say it must be there

We say it cannot be there

There is also the idea of a border down the middle of the Irish sea....but N.Ireland protestants oppose this

because they do not want N.Ireland treated any differently to any other part of the UK

Any one who can solve that, email Bojo

We’ve got hear the mother of parliaments being shut down by the father of lies

whatever chance they had (about 5%) went after that comment; & about as "elegant" as a 23 stone ballet dancer

If we leave without a deal my guess is we'd have a deal within 3 months.

Will Corbyn be called to the Supreme court...I have a chicken supreme pun on the boil

I do love the whole process though

We leave only to end up with a new deal within the EU anyway, and no human rights act

People don't know what their screaming for do they

HAS THERE EVER IN THE WORLD BEEN A MORE PATHETIC SEETHING BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES [:grin



Ignore the Peoples Vote ,That's ok , Then Kick off about Democracy

U cannot foooking Make it up ,Do these People have any shame  ,we have the likes of SWINESON who wont even hold a second Ref 
we are Just staying in

Meanwhile, away from the Supreme Court ......

Johnson spoke to the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, by phone on Wednesday afternoon. A Downing Street spokesperson said they discussed their continued determination to reach a deal.

They also discussed their lunch meeting in Luxembourg on Monday, which was described as “positive and constructive” during the call.

It emerged earlier in the day that during the lunch meeting Johnson had expressed surprise to his advisers when he was informed about the scale of checks that would still be needed on the island of Ireland under a plan the government has mooted for the Irish border.

EU officials said the advantage for them had been in being able to spell out the problems directly to the prime minister. “It seems to have helped the penny drop,” said one diplomatic source.

During talks with Juncker and the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, the prime minister was shown in detail how allowing Northern Ireland to stick to common EU rules on food and livestock, known as sanitary and phytosanitary measures (SPS), would still fail to avoid checks on the vast majority of goods that cross the Irish border.

Downing Street has described as “nonsense” a report in the Financial Times that Johnson turned to his chief negotiator, David Frost, and the Brexit secretary, Stephen Barclay, and said: “So you’re telling me the SPS plan doesn’t solve the customs problem?”

But senior EU sources confirmed that Johnson had expressed surprise during the lunch at the complexity of the situation, and that it appeared to have been a “bit of a reality check to hear it from EU officials”.

Sources said it was not the case that Johnson had failed to understand the role of the shared customs territory in the Irish backstop but that it was the scale of checks that would still be necessary without such an arrangement that appeared to hit home.

A second EU diplomat confirmed: “When the commission explained the technical challenges and enduring need for customs checks under the UK proposals, Johnson expressed surprise in the direction of his advisers.”

in the nearly words of Mandy Rice-Davies - "Well they would say that, wouldn't they?"

sauces - diplomats - bureaucrats; what a distinctly motley crew, & of course it has nothing to do with them trying (again) to make Bozo out as a numpty

He does a pretty decent job at that with no help what so ever.
Watch and see how the governments line on the backstop issue moves in the next two weeks ........

whatsoever (edy would thank me) i know what will happen; The Senate thought similar about Claudius

Everything to do with Brexit should be put on hold for the duration of the Rugby World Cup.

i'm with Nebs on that; i have told my Aileen that food & frivolities will have to be fitted around games. It took me forever to remove the scissors

I will come round and sort her out!!

yah sea!!  Bozo is the salt of guy who will just go head down into a ruck and come out with the bawl.

if i liked you, Mo i would let you inflate her. To quote the kitten

with my nails!!!!!     Glad you are enjoying the gina miller show - guyana is proud of  her - and you know you secretly lust after her

does Aileen know?

Aillen would disembowel me if i went near Miller. She abhors her. Did you see the entourage today, Mo?

I thought they were wonderful.  Gina in full flow and center of attention .    It's the facial expressions that I love and give her away as a real good performer - me me me -  nearly beats MeAgain as an attention seeker and platform performer.  Should go to RADA for training after this show.  She will do in the theatre.

well

this was yesterdays - departure. Twice as large today & looked straight at Ben Brown - BBC as if to say "Don't you want to interview me?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmhtEwIhjPY

I think she is great. Imagine maintaining her position yet be disliked by everyone.  She should be prime minister and take us through brexit.  She could be the new Iron lady if she switched sides.  Every time you disagreed with her she would pin you down slapping a legal order on you.   Or just pin you down  - I would if she asked.

Looks like she had been sucking lemons.

there are some places even the most red-blooded of males would not tread, Mo

The vermin will see what happens when you poke the beehive enough times soon enough

The smugness of these people, the sheer arrogance is going to mean they come a right cropper

"remain means remain"

Its going to need a civil war its as simple as that

Hi SS.

Keep the faith chief.

Lord Keen lambasts O'Neill for his comments yesterday:

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Aidan O'Neill - QC for the SNP numpty, has in one fell swoop kicked himself & the appeal in the nuts. One down & one to go

John Major's submission to the Supreme Court:

The Court is under no obligation to approach this case on the artificially naïve basis that the handful of documents, the contents of which nobody has been prepared to verify with a statement of truth, should nevertheless be assumed to be entirely accurate and complete when even members of the Cabinet do not appear to believe them.

is this the same grey man that Prorogued Parliament himself back in the day?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1179948/brexit-news-john-major-supreme-cou...

UK attempt at Brexit reminds me of a dog chasing its tail.

verdict next week

As foretold

When you've got the likes of John Major being wheeled out for this sort of stuff you know they are taking the absolute p***

They don't think we're going to do a thing back do they? they are so arrogant and conceited its quite frightening to think how bloody stupid they truly are

Tredau is now going to blub on national TV and say how ashamed he is to be white

Absolutely pitiful and shameless

well at least he isn't grey

Did you rate Major Bap? My thoughts on a thread I started.

where is it?

Titled who would ever listen to John Major.

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