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Dramatised documentary examining how Hitler and the Nazi party rose to power in Germany during the 1930s, revealing the greed, manipulation and frightening underestimation of Adolf Hitler's ambition.
In 1930, Germany was a liberal democracy, with elections, parliament and the rule of law, but just four years later its leader was a dictator and its government is in the hands of murderers. Leading historians and experts take viewers inside the minds of those hellbent on gaining power and those who tried to stop them
In 1930, Germany was a liberal democracy, with elections, parliament and the rule of law, but just four years later its leader was a dictator and its government is in the hands of murderers. Leading historians and experts take viewers inside the minds of those hellbent on gaining power and those who tried to stop them
Vegan
Not fussy on jews
Socialist
Rose up to lead a national party out of nowhere.
Sounds familiar.
Not fussy on jews
Socialist
Rose up to lead a national party out of nowhere.
Sounds familiar.
Is this any different to:
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/hitler-the-rise-and-fall
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/hitler-the-rise-and-fall
Sep 7, 2019 -- 7:43PM, Charlie wrote:
Is this any different to:https://www.channel4.com/programmes/hitler-the-rise-and-fall
This is new.
Ok, can't argue with that. But what's new that wasn't in the link I gave?
Leopard
If you like the one you're watching then watch the link I gave. If you don't then fair enough.
If you like the one you're watching then watch the link I gave. If you don't then fair enough.
failure of democracy and rise of right wing nut jobs.
Hitler youth = mongmentum I'm starting to see a trend
The first rule of any dictatorship is it will outlaw any opinion other than its own, all in the name of the greater good . Now does that sound familiar to you?
There are more similarities with the Brexit Party !
Labour mp John Mann has quit Labour.
The veteran politician will take up a full-time role as the government’s ‘anti-semitism tsar’.
Mann says Jeremy Corbyn has given the “green light to anti-semites” by not tackling the problem head on.
He now intends to use his new role to challenge Corbyn on the issue, saying: “I can have a bigger impact in this role than I can by staying inside the Commons, and, rather than it taking up 5 per cent of my time, it will be taking up 95 per cent of my time, which means I begin to hold internet companies, universities and others better to account and every single political party bar none.
The veteran politician will take up a full-time role as the government’s ‘anti-semitism tsar’.
Mann says Jeremy Corbyn has given the “green light to anti-semites” by not tackling the problem head on.
He now intends to use his new role to challenge Corbyn on the issue, saying: “I can have a bigger impact in this role than I can by staying inside the Commons, and, rather than it taking up 5 per cent of my time, it will be taking up 95 per cent of my time, which means I begin to hold internet companies, universities and others better to account and every single political party bar none.
macarony • September 7, 2019 8:18 PM BST
The first rule of any dictatorship is it will outlaw any opinion other than its own, all in the name of the greater good . Now does that sound familiar to you?
Sounds very familiar . Remainers in parliament are about to outlaw 'No Deal Brexit' because they oppose an opinion voiced by the majority in a referendum
The first rule of any dictatorship is it will outlaw any opinion other than its own, all in the name of the greater good . Now does that sound familiar to you?
Sounds very familiar . Remainers in parliament are about to outlaw 'No Deal Brexit' because they oppose an opinion voiced by the majority in a referendum
I thought Hitler did well for Germany up to the point of war...
When he got the job of chancellor Germany was in an appalling state. he gave them back their self belief
Of course somebody had to be blamed for Germany's problems and unfortunately that was the Jews....
It is not possible to justify the Holocaust in the way it is presented.
When he got the job of chancellor Germany was in an appalling state. he gave them back their self belief
Of course somebody had to be blamed for Germany's problems and unfortunately that was the Jews....
It is not possible to justify the Holocaust in the way it is presented.
What is happening in the Middle East now has nothing to do with The Holocaust
Can't compare corbyn to Hitler. Corbyn wouldn't wear Hugo boss.
Brexit is a right wing Party that has a chance of taking over the country.
UBLE/REGY
It is not possible to justify the Holocaust in the way it is presented.
What does that mean ?
It is not possible to justify the Holocaust in the way it is presented.
What does that mean ?
As I said it.Pumphol
Everything I have ever seen or heard about the Holocaust is evil..
I find it very hard to see images of innocent children waiting to be gassed...
Unfortunately I also believe that Palestine belongs to the Palestinians.
Some people believe this is a contradiction, which is why I used the wording I used
Only my opinion, other people have theirs
Everything I have ever seen or heard about the Holocaust is evil..
I find it very hard to see images of innocent children waiting to be gassed...
Unfortunately I also believe that Palestine belongs to the Palestinians.
Some people believe this is a contradiction, which is why I used the wording I used
Only my opinion, other people have theirs
An enigma was Hitler. A vegan who loved animals responsible for the deaths of millions.
When he lived in Vienna's doss houses his best friend was a Jewish man who sold his watercolours for him. Initially he wasn't an anti Semite but grasped the ideology to help him get power. An opportunist and a good one at that. Evil.
Hitler having sex with his niece ?
Was Hitler a Follower ?
Was Hitler a Follower ?
He certainly didn't Like Jewish people , Perhaps he was a closet chap of the book ?
"Initially he wasn't an anti Semite but grasped the ideology"
Fookin ell
Fookin ell
Hitler was a complicated man as you say Big Mac
I just wish he had not taken us into war
The worst in Human History
I just wish he had not taken us into war
The worst in Human History
I don't think Hitler was really into sex myself case?
He believed the Jews were responsible for Germany's defeat in WW1
As did a lot of Germans, he played to that.
As did a lot of Germans, he played to that.
Just like the SNP blame the English ,national socialism is not good Ian Blackford could be the new Martin Bormann
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f6de74c4c2987a5f68075f1a9d26bc3b15855e...
Hope you have planned your exit from Scotland flush...lucky if your hero bojo will have more than 1 or 2 seats left after next election.
Independence is inevitable ..just a matter of when.
Independence is inevitable ..just a matter of when.
Corbyns cat looks like Kitler.
No surrender to the provisional snp.
No surrender to the provisional snp.
Are there really any people out there (apart from the BBC/Guardian and imbeciles with a Lefty state 'education' behind them) who believe that Great Britain in 2019 is roughly equal to Germany at the advent of fascism ?
I dunno Alun2005. Our local scout group reminds me of Hitler youth.
These documentaries are absolute piffle.
If you want to know the real reason that Adolf Hitler despised the Jewish people you must read Mein Kampf because you will never get it from these ridiculous documentaries that follow the same childish story eveytime.
The stroy told is that the German people were 'tricked' by Hitler A little research into the history of European Jews shows that there was a lot of bad feeling against the European Jews hundreds of years before Hitler was even born. Just the reason that hundreds of thousands of Jewish people were in Eastern Europe is a story in itself. Why were they there? Oh yes expelled from Russia and other places. Why were the expelled?
Pogroms against the European Jewish people were common throughout Russia and Eastern Europe centuries before Adolf Hitler was born but no we are told the ill feeling towards them is all down to one man
In Mein Kampf Hitler tells of coming into contact with Orthodox Jews for the first time when he was aged in his early Twenties. On the streets of Vienna he would often debate with Orthodox Jews who he found impossible to reason with. Often Hitler stated that would win the argument only for the very next day the Jew would be on the same street arguing his original argument that Hitler had defeated the previous day. He found them impossible to reason with.
Why did Russia expel thousands of Jewish people?
Why were there hundreds of Pogroms against European Jews in the 1800s'?
The reasons behind the rise of the Nazis and the Holocaust is a very complected affair and the documentaries shown today on the subject barely touch the surface and instead prefer to go along the same old PC line of it was all Hitlers fault. One man? Really?
I have a Polish colleague at work who is originally from Gdańsk. His anti-Semitic are shocking. He talks of pre-war Jewsish domination as being the reason behind his views.
If you want to know the real reason that Adolf Hitler despised the Jewish people you must read Mein Kampf because you will never get it from these ridiculous documentaries that follow the same childish story eveytime.
The stroy told is that the German people were 'tricked' by Hitler
A little research into the history of European Jews shows that there was a lot of bad feeling against the European Jews hundreds of years before Hitler was even born. Just the reason that hundreds of thousands of Jewish people were in Eastern Europe is a story in itself. Why were they there? Oh yes expelled from Russia and other places. Why were the expelled?Pogroms against the European Jewish people were common throughout Russia and Eastern Europe centuries before Adolf Hitler was born but no we are told the ill feeling towards them is all down to one man
In Mein Kampf Hitler tells of coming into contact with Orthodox Jews for the first time when he was aged in his early Twenties. On the streets of Vienna he would often debate with Orthodox Jews who he found impossible to reason with. Often Hitler stated that would win the argument only for the very next day the Jew would be on the same street arguing his original argument that Hitler had defeated the previous day. He found them impossible to reason with.
Why did Russia expel thousands of Jewish people?
Why were there hundreds of Pogroms against European Jews in the 1800s'?
The reasons behind the rise of the Nazis and the Holocaust is a very complected affair and the documentaries shown today on the subject barely touch the surface and instead prefer to go along the same old PC line of it was all Hitlers fault. One man? Really?
I have a Polish colleague at work who is originally from Gdańsk. His anti-Semitic are shocking. He talks of pre-war Jewsish domination as being the reason behind his views.
I have discussed these views by email with someone who thinks like you Steve
He used to post on here Ron Russian(although I do not think he is really Russian tbh)
A lot of Germans thought the same before Hitler ever hove into view.
He used to post on here Ron Russian(although I do not think he is really Russian tbh)
A lot of Germans thought the same before Hitler ever hove into view.
I would say Hitler used it, but did not create it.
People have to make up their own mind over Hitler, watch this program with an open mind.
People have to make up their own mind over Hitler, watch this program with an open mind.
In Mein Kampf Hitler tells of coming into contact with Orthodox Jews for the first time when he was aged in his early Twenties. On the streets of Vienna he would often debate with Orthodox Jews who he found impossible to reason with. Often Hitler stated that would win the argument only for the very next day the Jew would be on the same street arguing his original argument that Hitler had defeated the previous day. He found them impossible to reason with.
Of course Hitler would say he won the debate and his opponent would say the same. Why wouldn't he be back the next day if he thought he was correct?
Of course Hitler would say he won the debate and his opponent would say the same. Why wouldn't he be back the next day if he thought he was correct?
UBLE/REGY
I have discussed these views by email with someone who thinks like you Steve
He used to post on here Ron Russian(although I do not think he is really Russian tbh)
A lot of Germans thought the same before Hitler ever hove into view.
It just seems strange to me that the history of the European Jews is largely ignored when the subject of the Nazis or Hitler is discussed. Why was there so much ill feeling towards these people? There always seems to be ill feeling towards these people no matter what the era. Yet the documentaries of today only point towards one man tricking a nation. Everything leading upto to Hitlers rise tends to be ignored.
Pale of Settlement - why?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia
Pogrom - why?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom
Why the constant ill feeling toward people of Jewish faith? Is it their intelligence people are afraid of? The fact they their intelligence enables them to be able to take hold of all the professions and keep them 'within the family'? Is it to do with the Bible? Soooo many questions but no it's all down to Uncle Hitler, as my Polish colleague calls him.
Maybe Jeremy Corbyn has the answers?
I have discussed these views by email with someone who thinks like you Steve
He used to post on here Ron Russian(although I do not think he is really Russian tbh)
A lot of Germans thought the same before Hitler ever hove into view.
It just seems strange to me that the history of the European Jews is largely ignored when the subject of the Nazis or Hitler is discussed. Why was there so much ill feeling towards these people? There always seems to be ill feeling towards these people no matter what the era. Yet the documentaries of today only point towards one man tricking a nation. Everything leading upto to Hitlers rise tends to be ignored.
Pale of Settlement - why?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia
Pogrom - why?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom
Why the constant ill feeling toward people of Jewish faith? Is it their intelligence people are afraid of? The fact they their intelligence enables them to be able to take hold of all the professions and keep them 'within the family'? Is it to do with the Bible? Soooo many questions but no it's all down to Uncle Hitler, as my Polish colleague calls him.
Maybe Jeremy Corbyn has the answers?
I think pre 20th-century anti-semitism has had extensive coverage.
I had a right to dislike the Jews so did other Germans...
The big question is the HOLOCAUST, we may not like people, but that does that give us the right to kill them?
My email correspondent says it has been exaggerated. Jews were constrained in concentration camps
Jews died of Typhus, as the Red Cross claims
To deny it breaks the law, so I cannot do that,
tbh I don't know???????????????????????????????????????
People must watch the series and decide for themselves
The big question is the HOLOCAUST, we may not like people, but that does that give us the right to kill them?
My email correspondent says it has been exaggerated. Jews were constrained in concentration camps
Jews died of Typhus, as the Red Cross claims
To deny it breaks the law, so I cannot do that,
tbh I don't know???????????????????????????????????????
People must watch the series and decide for themselves
We need to get to the root of this centuries old antisemitism if the problem is ever to go away. Blaming A Hitler entirely is just ridiculous.
Steve - surely no one really thinks Hitler founded ant-semitism.
Jews were immigrants, immigrants tend to be disliked..
Or was it something special about Jews people did not like...
????????
Or was it something special about Jews people did not like...
????????
i_agree_with_nick
Steve - surely no one really thinks Hitler founded ant-semitism.
I think alot of people believe that both German and Jewish people were living side side as happy as Larry until one day an evil man called Adolf Hitler tricked the German people into hating the Jewish people.
History clearly proves otherwise.
Steve - surely no one really thinks Hitler founded ant-semitism.
I think alot of people believe that both German and Jewish people were living side side as happy as Larry until one day an evil man called Adolf Hitler tricked the German people into hating the Jewish people.
History clearly proves otherwise.
HITLER ALL BOXES TICKED
SEX WITH YOUNG GIRLS ACCEPTABLE
FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS ACCEPTABLE
HATED JEWS
ALSO A BOOK INVOLVED
SEX WITH YOUNG GIRLS ACCEPTABLE
FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS ACCEPTABLE
HATED JEWS
ALSO A BOOK INVOLVED
CASEMONEY this thread is now discussing the very serious matter of why the People of Jewish faith in Europe have been persecuted for centuries and all you contribute is smut allegations! Shameful of you just shameful.
Very Sorry Steve , But it just appears there are Similar values ..
I have not read Mein Kampf Blue and have no intentions of doing so ,17 ? I didn't realise ,never the Less , the niece ?
Seems a strange carry on to me .
Seems a strange carry on to me .
Weren't Hitler's mother and father first cousins?
Many people in the World are not into inter Family Relationships ,there some of course with young Children being married off to OLD GEEZERS , and a bit of Wedge involved for the Family of the Youngster ...
This could have ended Hitler's political ambitions, she was his niece, so no sexual relations allowed.
Hitler is supposed to have confided he did sleep with her.
I do not know if this happened or not myself.
The evidence is not totally convincing.
Hitler's has bigger charges than this to deal with
Hitler is supposed to have confided he did sleep with her.
I do not know if this happened or not myself.
The evidence is not totally convincing.
Hitler's has bigger charges than this to deal with
Anyway since this thread has changed to an attack on Muslims I won't contribute further.
We already have enough of those threads
We already have enough of those threads
How is it an Attack FFS , I have only stated the Truth, Jeezus , what I have said Happens and is Acceptable , There is no attack what so Ever ? Because I don't agree with it and you think its an attack does not mean it does not take place .
Hitler was a raving Lunatic , an evil man , I don't really understand why anyone would read his autobiography ... Have you read it ?? and why ?
Hitler was a raving Lunatic , an evil man , I don't really understand why anyone would read his autobiography ... Have you read it ?? and why ?
And as for what I was saying was similar , there is more than one Religion that finds arranged Marriages Inter family acceptable ,with money being involved , and Believe in One Book , JEWS for instance .... Is myself saying that an attack on Jewish people ??
Steve Voltage I am sorry this thread has on course off course, but it does highlight one problem
The majority immigrants today seem to be Muslims or Blacks.
There is a continual number of threads complaining about these two groups on here.
If we go back to pre WW11, the majority immigrant groups were Jews and the Irish.
So the same thing happened, complaints against immigrants, even though they were different immigrants
It is a human condition societies tend to resent immigrants.
Does this explain the Jewish problem, they have always been immigrants everywhere, as they did not have a country of their own at that
time.
Or is there a special problem with the Jews, steve, I really don't know?
The majority immigrants today seem to be Muslims or Blacks.
There is a continual number of threads complaining about these two groups on here.
If we go back to pre WW11, the majority immigrant groups were Jews and the Irish.
So the same thing happened, complaints against immigrants, even though they were different immigrants
It is a human condition societies tend to resent immigrants.
Does this explain the Jewish problem, they have always been immigrants everywhere, as they did not have a country of their own at that
time.
Or is there a special problem with the Jews, steve, I really don't know?
This thread was about Hitler Case, you have worked the Muslims in.
Hitler did not believe in one book, he was born nominally a Christian. Unless you include the Bible as well in this.
There is a better reason for not marrying nieces, the genetics are too close, we then get problems with inter breeding.
Hitler did not believe in one book, he was born nominally a Christian. Unless you include the Bible as well in this.
There is a better reason for not marrying nieces, the genetics are too close, we then get problems with inter breeding.
If Hitler slept with his niece rape or not, that that is another black mark for him Case, ok.
"There is a continual number of threads complaining about these two groups on here."
Why would that be Blue , I don't seem many anti semetic threads on here ???
Perhaps there is a reason such threads are put up ? I will leave you to ponder that
and Leave the thread ...
Why would that be Blue , I don't seem many anti semetic threads on here ???
Perhaps there is a reason such threads are put up ? I will leave you to ponder that
and Leave the thread ...
In speeches, Hitler made apparently warm references towards Muslim culture such as: "The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France".[5]
A famous anecdote about Adolf Hitler's perspectives towards Islam and the Arabs is recounted by Albert Speer in his best-selling memoir, Inside the Third Reich. Speer reports that "Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs."[6] The delegation had speculated that the world would have become "Mohammedan" if the Umayyad Caliphate had won the Battle of Tours in the 8th Century AD, and that the Germans would have become heirs to "a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and in subjugating all nations to that faith. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the German temperament."[7] Speer then presents Hitler's claims on this subject:
on Reading this I may not be a million miles Away
A famous anecdote about Adolf Hitler's perspectives towards Islam and the Arabs is recounted by Albert Speer in his best-selling memoir, Inside the Third Reich. Speer reports that "Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs."[6] The delegation had speculated that the world would have become "Mohammedan" if the Umayyad Caliphate had won the Battle of Tours in the 8th Century AD, and that the Germans would have become heirs to "a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and in subjugating all nations to that faith. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the German temperament."[7] Speer then presents Hitler's claims on this subject:
on Reading this I may not be a million miles Away
It is not possible to justify the Holocaust in the way it is presented.
Struggling with this UBLE.
Are you saying it would have been acceptable if presented differently? I'm sure you're not but that's how it reads.
Struggling with this UBLE.
Are you saying it would have been acceptable if presented differently? I'm sure you're not but that's how it reads.
Independence is inevitable ..just a matter of when.
So is bankruptcy. The SNP slowly but surely metamorphosing into a Scottish version of Sinn Fein.
So is bankruptcy. The SNP slowly but surely metamorphosing into a Scottish version of Sinn Fein.
Struggling with this UBLE.
Are you saying it would have been acceptable if presented differently? I'm sure you're not but that's how it reads.
No..a bad choice of words akabula
Are you saying it would have been acceptable if presented differently? I'm sure you're not but that's how it reads.
No..a bad choice of words akabula
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Steve Voltage I am sorry this thread has on course off course, but it does highlight one problem
The majority immigrants today seem to be Muslims or Blacks.
There is a continual number of threads complaining about these two groups on here.
If we go back to pre WW11, the majority immigrant groups were Jews and the Irish.
So the same thing happened, complaints against immigrants, even though they were different immigrants
It is a human condition societies tend to resent immigrants.
Does this explain the Jewish problem, they have always been immigrants everywhere, as they did not have a country of their own at that
time.
Or is there a special problem with the Jews, steve, I really don't know?
Well the part played by the immigrants never really seems to discussed. They are always the ‘victims’ and nothing more.
Human beings are still often described as being tribal hence the never ending racial problems. I suspect most people feel more comfortable being around people they can associate themselves with. As we know all races of people are racist.
It seems we are forbidden at times to be able to even discuss the negative impact immigration can cause. Has Irish immigration to the UK had any negative impact? Maybe. Did Jewish immigration to Europe have any negative impact on the host nations?
It seems strange that there was so a huge ill feeling towards the people of Jewish faith in Europe and Russia for hundreds of years. What was the cause of the ill feeling.
The BBC series ‘The Story of the Jews’ presented by Simon Schama is well worth a watch if this subject is of any interest.
Simon Schama..a very nice and well educated man...and a Jew, he would defend the Jews I would think?
If it comes on again I will watch it Steve
Unfortunately I have sympathy with the Palestinians so Jews will not like me very much..
Although I have nothing against Jews on a personal level....I think Palestine belongs to the Palestinians not Jews very unfortunate
but there you are.
If it comes on again I will watch it Steve
Unfortunately I have sympathy with the Palestinians so Jews will not like me very much..
Although I have nothing against Jews on a personal level....I think Palestine belongs to the Palestinians not Jews very unfortunate
but there you are.
ps I am not a terrorist or anything...my protests are peaceful
and nobody has to agree with me, their choice
and nobody has to agree with me, their choice
One of the most shocking things I've ever heard was from the last few years in that area.
A Palestinian boy aged 16 murdered a 12 year old Jew but was then shot dead himself.
Horrible as it was the real horror was the 16 yos mother declaring him a hero and saying she was proud of him.
That's some hatred. Won't be an isolated case as that level of hatred is on both sides.
Doubt there will ever be a solution. Not the only place in the world in that situation though.
A Palestinian boy aged 16 murdered a 12 year old Jew but was then shot dead himself.
Horrible as it was the real horror was the 16 yos mother declaring him a hero and saying she was proud of him.
That's some hatred. Won't be an isolated case as that level of hatred is on both sides.
Doubt there will ever be a solution. Not the only place in the world in that situation though.
UBLE/REGY
Simon Schama..a very nice and well educated man...and a Jew, he would defend the Jews I would think?
If it comes on again I will watch it Steve
Unfortunately I have sympathy with the Palestinians so Jews will not like me very much..
Although I have nothing against Jews on a personal level....I think Palestine belongs to the Palestinians not Jews very unfortunate
but there you are.
Said this before to you, you do realise that if Israel had lost the 1948 war there still would have been no Palestine then or now, or is that something you just choose to ignore because it suits your'e agenda.
Simon Schama..a very nice and well educated man...and a Jew, he would defend the Jews I would think?
If it comes on again I will watch it Steve
Unfortunately I have sympathy with the Palestinians so Jews will not like me very much..
Although I have nothing against Jews on a personal level....I think Palestine belongs to the Palestinians not Jews very unfortunate
but there you are.
Said this before to you, you do realise that if Israel had lost the 1948 war there still would have been no Palestine then or now, or is that something you just choose to ignore because it suits your'e agenda.
That's interesting Pump. What would have happened if Israel had lost the 1948 war? Would the land have been absorbed by Syria and/or Egypt or Jordan?
Part II on...can restart in iplayer ...doing that now
Who knows pumphol it did not happen???
The other country you mention you mentioned in you post I do not recognise
I only recognise Palestine...still you are not going to change..and neither am I
It is only a war of words on here nobody gets hurt
The other country you mention you mentioned in you post I do not recognise
I only recognise Palestine...still you are not going to change..and neither am I
It is only a war of words on here nobody gets hurt
Correct it did not happen, luckily, you're just have to live with that.
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