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The biggest irony of the last week in Westminster is the fact that Nicholas Soames is a direct descendant of Sir Winston Churchill , probably the greatest leader this country has ever had and a brilliant war-time strategist .
In May 1945 Winston Churchill sent a delegation to Reims , France to meet with the german delegation . At the time the allied forces were gaining the upper hand in a war that had lasted 6 years . With their armed forces facing certain defeat the germans signed a treaty detailing their surrender , followed a couple of months later by Japan . The allies were victorious and the celebrations were to live long in the memory .
At no time did Sir Winston Churchill and General Eisenhower consider disbanding their troops and retreating prior to this meeting , for obvious reasons . If they had removed the very threat that was forcing the enemy to surrender then there would have been absolutely no incentive for the germans to wave the white flag and surrender . However , two generations later , Sir Nicholas Soames is convinced that by removing the one threat that the british have (No deal Brexit) we will somehow be in a stronger position when negotiating the surrender of the EU to our withdrawal from the european federation . We are now about to take No Deal off the negotiating table thus allowing the EU to hold all the cards and enabling them to draw up the terms of our departure without allowing Boris Johnson and his generals to use the threat of walking away without a deal should it be deemed that the agreement doesn't suit the needs or requirements of the country .
Clearly Mr Soames has inherited none of his grandfathers negotiating skills nor learnt anything from his own family's well documented history
In May 1945 Winston Churchill sent a delegation to Reims , France to meet with the german delegation . At the time the allied forces were gaining the upper hand in a war that had lasted 6 years . With their armed forces facing certain defeat the germans signed a treaty detailing their surrender , followed a couple of months later by Japan . The allies were victorious and the celebrations were to live long in the memory .
At no time did Sir Winston Churchill and General Eisenhower consider disbanding their troops and retreating prior to this meeting , for obvious reasons . If they had removed the very threat that was forcing the enemy to surrender then there would have been absolutely no incentive for the germans to wave the white flag and surrender . However , two generations later , Sir Nicholas Soames is convinced that by removing the one threat that the british have (No deal Brexit) we will somehow be in a stronger position when negotiating the surrender of the EU to our withdrawal from the european federation . We are now about to take No Deal off the negotiating table thus allowing the EU to hold all the cards and enabling them to draw up the terms of our departure without allowing Boris Johnson and his generals to use the threat of walking away without a deal should it be deemed that the agreement doesn't suit the needs or requirements of the country .
Clearly Mr Soames has inherited none of his grandfathers negotiating skills nor learnt anything from his own family's well documented history
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Just when you thought you'd seen a thousand inane WWII analogies and they couldn't be any more idiotic...
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If I was going to compare it to war I would compare it to the hundred year war
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At least Hitler had some decency
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Don’t let the fat **** in the House of Lords
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Aah, the first pro-Hitler post of the morning.
Gonna be a good day. |
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Or maybe that star wars war when they spent the whole film debating.
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Fatty is director of an arms firm which does a lot of business in Europe he just wants to make his job easier.
The people are not his concern, |
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His grand-father would be shamed and would surely disown him. Good riddance to the old fool.
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ashamed
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The sadness of the Brexiteers is their vitriol against members of Parliament and others who have the temerity to disagree with their demands
Like spoilt children who can't get what they want so will destroy a toy so nobody else can play with it |
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“There is a remedy which ... would in a few years make all Europe ... free and ... happy.
It is to re-create the European family, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety and in freedom. We must build a kind of United States of Europe.” Winston Churchill speaking in Zurich 19 September 1946 |
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hell hath no fury like a far right winger scourned
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The sadness of the Remoaners is their vitriol against members of Parliament and others who have the temerity to disagree with their demands
Like spoilt children who can't get what they want so will destroy a toy so nobody else can play with i |
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The sadness of Brexiteers is they have not stopped to wonder why Boris is desperate to call an election BEFORE Brexit on 31st October. Perhaps Boris does not expect the cold reality of Brexit to have voters cheering in the streets.
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Don’t trust remainers to respect the result of any new referendum .If the last 3 years have taught us anything it is that they are completely unscrupulous and would even be prepared to ‘miscount’ the votes to get their own way
That is why they must never get another referendum Don’t trust remainers ever again , they don’t deserve to be trusted |
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If Remainers were fiddling the votes count, we would not be in this mess and David Cameron would still be prime minister.
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“To come out (of Europe) now, with nowhere else to go, would jeopardise our own and our children’s future, In politics we always have to consider ‘what is the alternative?’ The European Community or what? If we came out now we should be renouncing a treaty and cold-shouldering our friends…The reasons for staying in have actually nothing to do with the re-negotiated terms. They are concerned with more fundamental feelings; with the ideal and vision of what we could do together… and with the consequences that would arise for Britain if instead of solving our problems as part of a partnership we withdrew into the unknown.”
Margaret Thatcher |
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The remainers didn’t expect to lose the referendum , it came as a complete shock to them , they’re that stupid
But we see the true nature of the losers now and remainers cannot and must not be trusted again , norhing bad or dishonest is beyond them that much is clear Ah , what’s it got to do with thatcher , she didn’t vote |
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Both Churchill & Thatcher were concerned with the fundamentals of security, unity & prosperity.
Brexit imperils all of those things |
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It’s very simple , if there is another referendum , and remain wins
No one can be sure that that is the correct result , it will always be suspect we now know what remainers are like And it is certain that they would do anything , even rigg or ‘ muscount ‘ the vote That much is very clear now , they are like that |
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so all you left to argue with now is supposition.
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Noethanlite I do t give two hoots about your interpretation of Churchill or thatcher
You’re not qualified to comment , as a remainer your judgement is flawed And always will be |
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how does one become "qualified to comment?"
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I’m beginning to think remainers are not very clever , as well as untrustworthy
You can comment , we know not to trust anything you say |
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this whole thread started with an assumption Churchill would have supported brexit.
i just pointed out that on all known evidence he most likely would not have. |
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That’s wrong
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Even the wooden of wooden heads knows Churchill obeyed the will of the British people when they voted
They kicked him out of Downing Street straight after the war |
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So you can weasel around it any way you like , but dont expect anyone to be impressed
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I’m sure he thought the British people had made a mistake , I’m sure many British people thought that also , I’m sure people in Europe and throughout the world thought that
But they hadn’t made a mistake , not really, the great British people had voted and that was good |
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Too difficult for remainers to understand ? Well they are like that and no word is too strong for people like that
This us chit chat , so I won’t say it |
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lfc1971 you are on rocky ground with some of your comments including on this thread.
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Churchill had a personal vendetta with Hitler, he destroyed lives with it ,to big egos wanting control..
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Because Winston Churchill has iconic status amongst the general population, I guess by repeatedly bringing up Soames as his grandson this week, will somehow allow some/many to supposedly sit back and think 'Oh, how terrible. How could they do this to Winnie's family? This is terrible. They are not Conservatives'. Surely people aren't that stupid, are they?
I suppose it is some young media types trying to think they are being really clever. |
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When remainers like fife start to preach something within me starts to laugh ...
and jeer Maybe I shouldn’t do that either |
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really soames should feel insulted every time his grandfather is brought up in connection with him. it's as though he's not in parliament on merit
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northanlite • September 6, 2019 1:37 PM BST
this whole thread started with an assumption Churchill would have supported brexit. i just pointed out that on all known evidence he most likely would not have. Incorrect : The whole thread started with an assumption that Churchill would not have surrendered his only bargaining tool ! |
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stopped reading when you called Churchill our greatest leader
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Good post Reynard
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i liked the simileis reynard ,,, but maybe greatest wartime leader ,,, he did get it wrong sometimes ,, gallipoli norway ,,, mind you in his books it wasnt his fault ,,, bit like billy bunter i didnt steal the cakes honest i didnt
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