Parliament to be Suspended

Grasping at straws^^^^

and 14 days after 14 oct means new pm will be in place on 28 oct

Would be either Boris or Nige

Boris or Nige, Ant and Dec,Morecambe and Wise..all have more chance of becoming PM than that lunatic Corbyn and his commie mates.

Aug 28, 2019 -- 12:28PM, twizzle22 wrote:

Boris or Nige, Ant and Dec,Morecambe and Wise..all have more chance of becoming PM than that lunatic Corbyn and his commie mates.

wont be boris.....

farage failed 7 times to become an mp so wont be him

Within a prime ministers rights I believe. Pushed into a corner and had to react.

MP's in danger of being forced into making a decision after a few years. The Brexit gravy train is almost over and they will have to concentrate on the key issues. Well done Boris on saving the country.

Remainers have been screaming for The Queen to get involved from day one... now Boris has (allegedly) gone to see her, the toys are coming out of the pram.

Sturgeon quick off the mark on this but not so quick on the news she ignored last week.

Fast Response
Sturgeon says shutting parliament 'is not democracy, it's dictatorship'

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says PM Boris Johnson's move to shut parliament was undemocratic.


No Response
Scotland's deficit seven times higher than UK as a whole last year

Unlike previous years, Nicola Sturgeon, the first minister and SNP leader, chose not to meet the media to discuss the Gers figures. Instead she campaigned for the third time in Shetland in the byelection to replace the Lib Dem MSP Tavish Scott, who stood down in June.

Queen on the diversion tactics too. She's overdue a speech and needs Brexit in there so she doesn't have to make it all about Andrew.

Brilliant from Boris

As has been said before, it is highly amusing to hear Corbyn et al talking about democracy when they've been doing all they can to avert a democratic decision.

Aug 28, 2019 -- 2:49PM, lybertyne wrote:

As has been said before, it is highly amusing to hear Corbyn et al talking about democracy when they've been doing all they can to avert a democratic decision.

Exactly but they will never address this....

If Boris has now prorogued Parliament until 14th Oct then calls a general Election just before that date given it takes 6 weeks at least before the public can go to the polls that would mean we have left the EU on the 31st Oct by the default legal position.

No vested interest in the shenanagains but isn't it quite sad, BJ uses the excuses of domestic issues when that looks like nothing near the truth,at least be honest.
If that is the case EMR,won't that be the right moral outcome,a no deal and the consequenses?

thought boris said 24 hrs ago that a deal was looking promising

Its amazing

Soon as Andrew looks in deep doo doo

Something like this s*** pops back up again, 3 years and to be honest its about time people were sick of it and told them to do one

^^ Nailed it

It is not democratic.  What have the remainers been doing for the 3 years - certainly not being democratic  and aren't they howling now.  They have them all lined up on sky against brexit.  All the shouty shouties with their eu flags

we are leaving

Agree 100% with Sontaran. The world is one big psy op and it is all bollox

Amazing JWD how many people can’t see the wood for the trees

So we have the Speech the 14th and Boris removed by the 31st How does that work Phil prob bang Brexiteer  Has told Liz to get on with it

Absolutely sickening hypocrisy. The very people who have been hell-bent on reversing and blocking the referendum majority and the will of the 17.4 million people are the ones who start shouting, screaming and kicking their legs because they can't get their own way. Surely THEY are the anti-democratic minority who are trying to subvert the will of the majority.

The BBC (Brussels Broadcasting Corporation) has also gone into anti-Brexit overdrive by broadcasting quote after quote from staunch remainers.

Does it play on your mind k s s to detach from fact... ..one wonders

you need to get a new tv
bridgeon,bojo,redwood,double,rees mugg,all over news channels, francois must be out laid on his union jack towel quaffing over his grandad somewhere in Europe to miss getting his ugly mugg on tv tonight

Wrong room bud. Go live your life talking politics

I stand by what I said in that the minority are trying to overturn a democratic majority vote. By the way, just as a reminder here's a short clip of what those people were saying about the referendum (for those with a short attention span it's only about two minutes long) and compare it with what they are saying today.

https://youtu.be/iPcmebRH904

Why a clip sir, we can all read and make choices, can we not?.. end of the day if you want to be a fool let it be...move on chap

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. Blah.blah,blah. Nice to see you've joined the ranks of the truth twisters and the liars. The majority choice was made in 2016 by 17.4 million people and if you cannot respect a majority vote then you are no better that those screaming, shouting ang kicking their legs because they can't get their own way. Move over bud and let the people who want to deliver on the referendum get on with the job of doing so.

Nothing more than a far right coup 1930s style. At this point it's pretty clear you either support Brexit and Fascism or you support Democracy.

The majority of people in this country must be fascists then. WALOFS

roughly 75% against no deal
any deal but to 2nd reff

if you think majority want either a deal or no deal ,whats the problem,he,s a free tip anyone resenting been asked twice don't get married

Zero evidence at all that the majority of people in the country support no deal.

Yet another muppet who lives in the dark ages

Also there will be people who support no deal who still don't support proroguing parliament.

Depends on which poll you wish to believe and how much you get brainwashed by Project Fear. I repeat, the only figures that count are the ones from 2016 where the MAJORITY voted to LEAVE.

Simples

Tellys on bud, let it control you

54% voted for parties that rejected no deal in 2017. Not one poll anywhere shows a majority support for no deal. The best the leave propaganda channels can do is 69% of leave voters in 2016, a small minority in the country.

The news is on .... moron

Or jacknary.yet another bbc program

Remainers are definitely anti democracy. They want our country run by unelected Europeans.

They are neither running our country or unelected. Dominic Cummings on the other hand currently pulling the strings, who elected him?

A friend of yours?

Or a muppet on your tv ?

Aug 28, 2019 -- 9:42PM, conditor wrote:

The news is on .... moron

People who cannot come up with valid counter-arguments normally stoop to ad-hominem attacks.  I'm not going to come down to your level bud.  I'll just leave you in your fantasy world where the reaminers won the referendum and are now being hard done by by the LEAVE majority.

Aug 28, 2019 -- 9:46PM, n88uk wrote:

They are neither running our country or unelected. Dominic Cummings on the other hand currently pulling the strings, who elected him?

Someone who likes his in your face style

So an unelected bureaucrat then.

Yes K SS fair point, rude

Cummings is a thick tory coont

No deal wasnt even mentioned pre-referendum - unless it can be established that over 95% of those voting leave wanted to leave without a deal, then No deal is undemocratic. Remainers are up in arms because the Leave campaign were a bunch of lying bsastards

Was mentioned by the remain side as what leave would turn out to be which turned out to be true. Of course the leave propaganda channels use this material to show that people were talking about it pre-referendum, but of course they miss the point, or actually the don't, they just edit it to fit their agenda, of course that's why you will notice it's always remainers used for this as leavers proclaimed it was project fear.

Big gamble by Boris - and all big gambles are dangerous.

The majority of the country will be unhappy if no deal is pushed through as well as the majority of our elected politicains.

I still think the most likely outcome will be a second referendum (probably after an election) and there will almosyt certaintly then be healthy majority for remain.

A moderate tory, labour or coalition government would come in and everyone can get on wth their lives sensibly without everyone becoming 10-20% poorer over the next 10-20 years.

Zero chance of it being a moderate Tory party, the Tory party is now taken over by the far right, the moderates will be forced out or the term I hear they're using is "purged".

Parliament , and the country will be purged of remainers , Boris must not lack the courage to oppress these ****

Aug 28, 2019 -- 11:43PM, n88uk wrote:

Zero chance of it being a moderate Tory party, the Tory party is now taken over by the far right, the moderates will be forced out or the term I hear they're using is "purged".

You are becoming more unhinged by the day. You must be losing a fortune

It is marvellous to see the remainers realising their game is up.

Never in the World of Seethe ,Will more Seething be Done than  over the next few weeks , Remainers in a Desperate state 

Running around Like Headless chickens , Poor old Luvvies its really not fair ......

I dont really care any more what the Outcome is ,I have had enough , But to see these sad individuals is such a state

is most Amuzing and Weeks of it to look forward , Bercrow has nearly Pished his Pants with shock

Aug 29, 2019 -- 12:22AM, casemoney wrote:

Never in the World of Seethe ,Will more Seething be Done than  over the next few weeks , Remainers in a Desperate state  Running around Like Headless chickens , Poor old Luvvies its really not fair ......I dont really care any more what the Outcome is ,I have had enough , But to see these sad individuals is such a state is most Amuzing  and Weeks of it to look forward , Bercrow has nearly Pished his Pants with shock

yeh there are a few whiners who I will enjoy seeing squirm

Lineker, Owen Jones, Jimmy Krankie and Eddie Izzard to name a few. Plenty more ****s that I have forgot to mention

looks like you are suspended bap/jucel69

will help you out anutha time hth

Vote was to leave EU. Every move Boris makes ends up with us leaving the EU. Every step the others take ends up with us staying in the EU.

We've now got hammond whining on that he will not be able to represent his constituents of Runnymede in parliament, those are the constituents who voted 24000 to 20000 to Leave the eu so hammond hasn't been representing the majority of these for close on 3 1/2 years.

At least remainers are honest. Yes, like in all democracies, they can campaign to change something they disagree with.

The leave (campaigners) are completely dishonest. To a man they campaigned on the basis that a deal with the EU would be easy.

If you explained what a no-deal brexit would entail I would suggest it would get less than 20% in a referendum.

A few previous thoughts by cabinet ministers on the prorogation of parliament.

Nicky morgan culture sec: 'It would lead to a constitutional crisis.'
'Proroguing Parliament is clearly a mad suggestion. You cannot say you are going to take back control …
and then go: ‘Oh, by the way, we are just going to shut Parliament down for a couple of months, so we are
just going to drift out on a no deal’

Michael Gove Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster: 'I think it will be wrong for many reasons.
I think it would not be true to the best traditions of British democracy.

Andrea Leadsom business sec, was asked if she could go along with such a plan. 'No I don’t believe I would
and I don’t believe it would happen.'
'It's certainly not something I would seek to do. I'm passionate about parliament democracy.'

George Freeman transport minister: 'The idea that a new PM will want, let alone be allowed by backbench MPs
or Peers, to prorogue Parliament is bonkers. It would look appalling.'

Amber Rudd dd  work & pensions sec: 'The idea of leaving the EU to take back more control into parliament and
to consider the idea of closing parliament to do that is the most extraordinary idea I've ever heard.
It is a ridiculous suggestion to consider Proroguing parliament

Sajid Javid, chancellor: You don't deliver on democracy by trashing democracy . . .
we are not selecting a dictator of our country"

MattHancock, health sec: 'There is this idea from some people that to deliver Brexit we should suspend
our parliamentary democracy, we should prorogue parliament. That goes against everything those men who
waded onto those beaches fought & died for - and I will not have it'

MattHancock again: Proroguing Parliament undermines parliamentary democracy. I rule it out and call
on all candidates to do the same

MattHancock yet again: 'A policy on Brexit to prorogue Parliament would mean the end of the
Conservative Party as a serious party of government'

Or maybe sir it’s a distraction from ones own reality, feed the sheep they will follow, within or which ever way...

BorisJohnson PM: 'I would like to make it absolutely clear that I am not attracted to arcane
procedures such as the prorogation of Parliament. As someone who aspires to be the PM of a
democratic nation, I believe in finding consensus in the House of Commons'

normal practice

Aug 29, 2019 -- 6:11AM, Crisp77 wrote:

Vote was to leave EU. Every move Boris makes ends up with us leaving the EU. Every step the others take ends up with us staying in the EU.

Exactly this, any other crap spouted is rubbish...

I can understand the ideological stance of far right, rich politicians who are so far up themselves they cannot countenance any interference from Brussels even though it is to the massive benefit of the UK in total.

I can also understand the protest vote in 2016 for leaving the EU - the bulk of whom didn't know what they were voting for.

What I find hard to fathom is the leavers now who revel in the thought of leaving seemingly because it will make remainers unhappy.
Despite every single independant economic model and most leave MP's who say we will suffer economically and it will be the poorest regions who will suffer most they still bury their heads and smile at the thought of remainers misery lol.

Meanwhile they never, ever discuss the benefits of leaving. Because, other than giving these rather bizarre people a bit of revenge porn for a few minutes - there simply arnt any.

Why do people want to leave the EU? well they look at Britain 40 years ago, and they look at Britain now

And they prefer how it was 40 years ago, that's all

Good intelligent post Captain - the majority of people I know who voted leave did so because of immigration and freedom of movement, nothing to do with our economic prospects.

Economically we will be better off if we leave, especially if immigration stops

now of course remainers may be foolish enough to think differently, that's ok, we are not interested in what they think

Aug 29, 2019 -- 11:48AM, lfc1971 wrote:

Why do people want to leave the EU? well they look at Britain 40 years ago, and they look at Britain nowAnd they prefer how it was 40 years ago, that's all

Nostalgia aint what it used to be

just the evidence of things past, not the future wild imaginings of remainers
look around

compare and contrast, I can assure you we have not progressed , quite the opposite if we look from any standpoint including economically with jobs houses wages infrastructure whatever
open your eyes

Can't quite agree there, crystalhunt. Yes, immigration and freedom of movement are big on the agenda, but our economic performance,
freedom to trade with the rest of the World without having to go through the EU is a huge part of the plan.
I don't come across many, if any, leave voters (like myself) who want to leave with a deal. I want out..adios, au revoir...gone.

I don't think remainers understand quite what a mess Britain, and indeed Europe is in Now

Take a little look at that and you might begin to understand why people voted to leave

Compare 1979 to 2019.

Just about every indicator on economics and living standards have improved. Ou economy has grown massively since 1979. Advances in medicine, life expectancy, new technology, Peados are not given free rain to prey on the young anymore. Etc, etc etc What cocooned bizarre world do you live in?

Do the `anti immigration' people not understand that we have almost full employment in this country, more jobs than ever before.

We will need to massively increase immigration from commonwealth countries if we restict europeans from working here.

The NHS will completely fall apart otherwise. 

Also what is it about immigration is a net economic beneficiary to the UK and alway has been do the little englanders not grasp?

Is that all down to us being in the EU Captain C?

Jucel69 please show me that post is unhinged, that post is just straight facts followed by a copy and paste of a report of what the Conservatives plan to do.

Also the concept of remainers realising the game is up is not true at all. The remainers will win in the end regardless. They have the numbers and that Brexit will be a disaster on their side.

Unbelievable the delusions that carnage and remainers are living under
The economy can grow ( depending on how it is measured )
And people are poorer , less job security , higher cost of housing , lower wages ,  etc
If you don’t understand that about economic ‘ griwrth’  you understand nothing

Aug 29, 2019 -- 12:04AM, lfc1971 wrote:

Parliament , and the country will be purged of remainers , Boris must not lack the courage to oppress these ****

Gee, where have I heard this kind of language in the history books before...

No John - not at all.

There are always issues/problems with any system of governance. We are very lucky to live in a thriving capitalist, progressive (until Brexit) parliamentary democracy. With 99% confidence the generation after us will have life even better then us and the ones after them better than the ones before.

It is the most basic of all economic matters. Surely enough for 9 year olds to understand. Around 50% of our export/imports are with the EU. Frictionless trade between EU countries and the ability to cut trade deals with the rest of the world as part of the biggest trading bloc has massive economic advantages.

To put barriers to trade with our closest markets and have to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world from a position of wekness and isolation is simply gross stupidity.

How have we financed the NHS over the last 40 years ?
I can assure you it’s not through immigration , it’s been North sea oil money
And reckless borrowing

It can’t continue

there are trade barriers between Japan and the rest of the world carnage
We will do the same as them , thanks

The childish belief and faith that people like carnage have in the EU is remarkable really

Wp. Trade wars/barriers to trade have never worked to the benefit of anyone over the mid-long term since capitalism
existed.

Then why are the EU involved in trade wars , and why do they have tariffs ?

That I can assure you is a question that will remain nicely unanswered , by capt carnage

All trading blocs have certain tariffs but the worlds economy continues to grow every year as it has for many decades because they are kept to a minimum.

When you increase them growth slows long term for all concerned.

If basic economics was taught to kids in the 50/60/70/80's we wouldnt be in this mess.

Instead they thought we should need to know about physics and the tundra.

That wasn’t the question carnage here it is again
If trade wars and tariffs are a bad thing

then why are the EU involved in trade wars and why does it have tariffs ?

Try again ...

How much of British tax payer money goes to the EU? To subsidise broke ass countries and millionaire bureaucrats.

There's a whole world out there to trade with.

brexiteers,erg,bojo and co seem to forget this doesn't end on oct 31st under no deal its just the start,they,ve still got to govern,deliver on ridiculous promises going to be made by javed next week on top of been engulfed by a no deal Brexit,safe to say the majority of brexiteers will have passed away by the time they get a chance to say we told you so, 50 years chief muppet, rees mugg predicted

Would you join it now?
They are printing money by the billions to prop the eurozone up.

VAT. How about that

and in addition we paid extra billions into their coffers so it is not just our usual yearly contribution

we did that again this year because we are doing so well and Cameron paid another slab a few years back

Have we left yet ?