Irish Immigration to the UK

For someone who purports to like facts just how do you make out Russia started the war? Britain was involved way before them.

Aug 31, 2019 -- 4:43PM, lfc1971 wrote:

Ireland ? They stood by and watched , safe, with their arms folded

USA? They stood by and watched , safe, with their arms folded

You really should learn punctuation.

No Germany , and Russia invaded Poland , in fact Russia took the larger share of the land

When did Russia invade Poland?

Charlie waken up the US should have helped earlier
Britain stood alone

Right it's time to throw them back lfc open up the keep net.

When did Russia invade Poland? When did the UK enter the war?

On 17th sept 1939 Russia invaded Poland from the east
Pact of the pact that Stalin had with Hitler

When did England declare war?

Sorry when did Britain declare war?

Operation lasted for the following 20 days and ended with the annexation of the entire territory of Poland
The invasion of Poland was indicated in the secret protocol of the Molotov Ribbentrop pact signed in 23 August 1939 which divide Poland into Russian and German spheres

Time for football

Aug 31, 2019 -- 4:57PM, Charlie wrote:

Sorry when did Britain declare war?

Are you going to answer. I know you love facts.

Germany , and Russia  as allies , started WW2 as I have explained Charlie , read and try to understand that simple fact

You actually can't say it can you?

Have to go

Aug 31, 2019 -- 4:40PM, lfc1971 wrote:

The USA should have come into the war much earlier , imo In that sense Britain is the greatest of all countries involved in WW2And don’t foget it was Germany and Russia who started WW2 by invading Poland and dividing it between the two dictators

How very typical. You got the dates wrong and run away. A real fact lover.

Charlie Russia and Germany made the pact in August as allies to take over Poland and split it between them
Germany invaded , Britain declared war , and Russia as Gernanys ally invaded Poland and the two dictators split it between them
What difficult to understand about that ?

I can’t miss the football :(

Two Cockney geezers serving in North Africa under Monty got a bit detached from their regiment and ended up on the borders of the Sahara,they were lost for weeks.
At deaths door they see a tree in the distance and as they get closer they see it is draped with every kind of bacon,crispy bacon,rashers,all sorts of bacon.
Gaz started running to the tree shouting we're saved,we're saved but as he gets to within 5 feet he is gunned down in a hail of bullets.
Den drops down on the sand and calls across to the dying Gaz,"whats happening mate?"with last breath Gaz says "run mate run,it's not a bleedin bacon tree,it's an ham bush".

I'll get my coat.

lfc
Surely even someone of your limited intelligence can see that if Britain declared war on the 3rd September 1939 and Russia invaded Poland (even though they didn't declare war then) on the 17th September 1939 then Russia didn't start the war as you said: And don’t foget it was Germany and Russia who started WW2 by invading Poland and dividing it between the two dictators

lfc1971 31 Aug 19 16:33
It’s very easy to sit on the sidelines , waiting and criticising while others have to go to war , the people and countries overrun , the murder and torture and repression and the horrors of the gas chambers and there were those who stood back and watched on , and those who became saviours , and gave their own lives , it was a glorious thing that Britain did


EEERRRMMMm ...and my Irish grandad ......  be thankful

Irishone in Britain we all had relatives who served in the war , both wars , everyone of us , my grandmother lost two brothers in the war
One at the Somme , 18 years of age , his name was Willie John McBride
Do you remember the song ?
Be thankful to Britain

3-0 to Liverpool

lfc1971 31 Aug 19 16:41


It was our finest hour


??? what about the 66 world cup final ?

Aug 31, 2019 -- 5:22PM, Charlie wrote:

lfcSurely even someone of your limited intelligence can see that if Britain declared war on the 3rd September 1939 and Russia invaded Poland (even though they didn't declare war then) on the 17th September 1939 then Russia didn't start the war as you said: And don’t foget it was Germany and Russia who started WW2 by invading Poland and dividing it between the two dictators

If you're talking about families who lost relatives in both wars then you best fold your cards. Our family lost so many it almost unbelievable. Yes fighting for Britain.

Back to facts though.

And I was in the British Army. I'm not a gobsh!te like you who knows fck all and doesn't know facts or history.

Most Irish do not consider themselves to be British but in reality they are British  they are in fact more British than 90% of people living in England

Aug 31, 2019 -- 7:42PM, lfc1971 wrote:

Irishone in Britain we all had relatives who served in the war , both wars , everyone of us , my grandmother lost two brothers in the war One at the Somme , 18 years of age , his name was Willie John McBrideDo you remember the song ? Be thankful to Britain

I quoted the wrong post.

I'm not thankful to Britain. There were ways they (we) could have avoided the wars. The loss of very brave men on both sides of the conflict is so sad. As for the families they left behind it was worse as they could grieve.

Has to be poor bait ......

Whether we could have avoided WW2 I doubt very much , not sure about WW1
Of course everything is easy in hindsight but thank God we brought the evil of Hitler’s Nazi Germany to an end ,
In Britain we faced the last enemy , the last enemy is death

Charlie you may not be proud of what Britain did in WW2, I don’ t give two hoots about you or what you think
I am proud , get that through your wooden head

I'm not thankful to Britain. There were ways they (we) could have avoided the wars. The loss of very brave men on both sides of the conflict is so sad. As for the families they left behind it was worse as they could grieve.

Explain please Charlie? Particularly interested how we could have avoided WW2?

He will say Hitler and Germany was forced into it by too onerous war reparations after WW1
Well that was Hitler’s excuse  , Hitler also had an excuse for murdering millions in the gas chambers as well

You know  the strange thing about evil is it can always find a reason

Don’t worry , he won’t say anything original

When Hitler came to power Germany had paid about one eighth of the debt , Hitler refused to pay any more
The debt was finally paid back about 20 years after German reunification

Britain was in debt to America after WW1, which we have never paid back
couldn’t afford to because of the crash in the 1930s
The Americans are very good and don’t mention it

lfc, loving facts myself, i feel compelled to remind you it was the Irish who broke the code.

That is a fact, please don't forget the facts.

That lot you had at Bletchley Park could not break wind.

That’s interesting pecker , I never knew that I thought it was Alan Turing and someone called van Newman or something like that

You’ll be telling us the Irish invented the atom bomb next

No, we leave that to rogue nations.

Robert Oppenheimer  “ Now I am become death , the destroyer of worlds “

That's what i said.

ebul it was Ireland’s decision whether or not to join the battle to destroy the evil of Nazi Germany , that was their decision
But they didn’t , the sat back and left it to Britain
That Britain fought in every corner of the world and in every theatre of that war in that great undertaking is to their eternal glory , and that Ireland sat back , safe , and with its arms folded is to their eternal shame

What eternal shame??????

A lot of Irish Patriots had been killed by British troops in their fight for independence from Britain.

It would have dishonoured them for the  Southern Irish to fight alongside their killers.

There were Irish fighting for us in WW11, from the North of Ireland, they had elected to stay with the UK, they did their duty

and fought and died for the UK.

Why don't you admit it lfc1971, you just don't like the Irish?

What were the British ever doing in Ireland anyway, it is not our country it is their country!

It would have dishonoured them for the  Southern Irish to fight alongside their killers.

They wouldn't have been long screaming for our assistance had the Nazis invaded them UBLE.
BTW it is to their eternal shame as the Nazis posed as big a threat to their freedom as it did ours and France and etc etc.
Yet they sat back fingers crossed that we'd win and they'd be safe albeit some of their countrymen did join the fight.

Albeit some of their country men did join the fight.

Google the amount ,  per head of capita the irish were just fractionally behind the British despite all that had went before.

Pretty impressive imo.

And that was fighting in the British army btw,  not even sure if the British figures had discounted the irish presence.

Yes it was a tremendous show but it rubbishes the claim of UBLE that had the ROI joined the fight it would have dishonoured those that fought for independence.

And the treatment these soldiers got on their return to the ROI was shameful.

70,000 is not some, it`s a huge number.

The UK couldn`t have defended itself if Hitler had invaded, let alone Ireland in the event of Nazi occupation.

It rubbishes my claim akabula...not really

Some felt like I said, others did not, and decided to join the fight against Germany

You’re missing the point , they were fighting in the British army , it was Britain that declared war on Nazi Germany , not Ireland
Be thankful to Britain

Ireland refused to fight , the only English speaking nation that did not fight
To their eternal shame

And the treatment these soldiers got on their return to the ROI was shameful.

That is a pity akabulla..but it rather supports my argument that quite a few would have regarded it as colluding with the enemy

Britain????

Ebul the enemy was Nazi gernany

That was a once in a 100,000 years war , never to repeated

Thank God Britain did it’s duty and saved the world

The Irish suffered greatly from the British over the centuries...not Nazi Germany.

Nazi Germany was not defeated by Britain alone, although we did our share

It was the Soviet Union that crushed Hitler's army imo

No that’s wrong , I’ve explained before that Ireland with other foreign enemies of England tried to overthrow England’s parliament , gained after a bloody  civil war in England ending the absolute monarchy , the first democratic parliament . Now that was a big mistake on Ireland’s part
If you are part of the war then you can’t expect not to suffer the consequences now can you

ebul Russia along with Hitler started the war , and Russia enslaved half of Europe after the war
So pipe down about Russia

Well if you stand by that UBLE you are saying these 70,000 men dishonoured those that fought for freedom.

Russia murdered and enslaved millions of their own people during the war and after , they also were not called the army of rapists for nothing

Some estimates say that the Russians raped as many as 2 million German woman and others from the ages of 8 to 80
So shut up about Soviet Russia

themightymac
The UK couldn`t have defended itself if Hitler had invaded, let alone Ireland in the event of Nazi occupation.

How do you arrive at that Mac? But that aside the ROI would have been looking for us to come to their aid.

By the way the British and American allies captured and killed more Germans than Russia did
Plus there was Japan and Italy also

btw the Russians killed 1.9 million German soldier in battle and took 2,500,000 prisoners with just over 1 million surviving.

The Allied forces killed 400,000 German soldiers and took 1,300,00 prisoners.

That makes a total of approximately 4,400,000 German soldiers lost to Russia and 1,700,000 to the Allies.

Not even close but don`t let facts stand in the way of your bigoted and biased viewpoint.

Themightymac too late to check all but your figures are wrong

For starters more than 2.8 million German soldiers surrendered on the western front between D day and the end of April 1945

The western allies killed and took prisoner more german soldiers than the Russians

Plus there was Japan and Italy

Many of my family lost their lifes in WWII and Britain and America and their allies played a major part in the defeat of the Nazis, but only a fool would discredit the part of the Russians, who defeated the cream of the German military on the Eastern front. And btw, the Russians were our Allies in WWII and Churchill and Roosevelt supplied them military aid via the Arctic convoys.

If you want to learn about the Russian-German war, I suggest that you read Prof. John Erickson`s two volume account entitled The Road To Stalingrad and The Road To Berlin, which is the regarded by scholars as the greatest account of the war on the Eastern Front.

And don`t bother quoting figures from Wiki.

And don`t count the 1.5 million Germans that surrendered in April at the end of the War in the West.

I have nothing more to say on the subject.

I seem to recollect a Harbour and German Boats ?

TBH when I was young I actually Thought there was a Cause , I would imagine many on the other side thought the same

But when u seen PIGS from both sides blowing up Women and children ,,,,,,,,THE ABERCORN ,and I don't care

who the perps were , I realised what scum must be involved ,and it was nowt I wanted to be associated with

Both sides have probably done worse , but Maiming and blinding Children ,is not worth any cause ................

Mac your figures are wrong , I read years ago not in wiki the true figures and I remember being surprised there were 2.8 million german soldiers who surrendered  to the western allies between D day and April 1945
More german soldiers were killed and captured by American and British soldiers than the Russians
Oh and by the way the western allies had the difficult and time consuming task of taking and feeding and processing these captured german soldiers , while the Russian army was more likely to shoot them
That’s when they weren’t raping an estimated 2 million german , Polish , Ukrainian ..women between the ages of 8 and 80
They weren’t called thevatmy of rapists  for nothing

Or do you dispute those figures as well in your bigoted mindset?

Oh and by the way the military aid that you mention supplied to Russia by Churchill and Roosevelt in the arctic convoys
That was our military and merchant  navy undertaking that perilous task to help Russia ,
That was just another dangerous theatre of war that Britain and America had to undergo

www.irishholocaust.org/liverpoolandthegreathunger

Pa lapsy do you want me to enlighten you to the genocide committed by the Irish in Scotland so brutal and ruthless  that it almost totally wiped out the original Scots , the Picts both it’s people and it’s culture ?
That mass slaughter by the Irish in Scotland so complete it all but wiped out the original people
Did they teach you that in Irish history ? , look it up

You see you will find the Irish are not always the victims , often they are the aggressors
Who commit savage and brutal crimes, remember Warrington ?

Have to go

I might look it up later if i have the time lfc,

I knew you would appreciate the insight of the "interesting" history of your hometown.

Warrington ?

What about croke park 1921 ?


If history doesnt bother you ....why hang on to it ?

Please pa lapsy , try not to excuse the behaviour of the Irish in Scotland so savage and brutal amounting to a genocide , or holocaust if you prefer that term , on the indigenous people of Scotland


off out to play golf

Shame that kind of thinking is bandied about Irishone,a simple task for UK to leave and a pigs ear up to now,still time for common sense  and using the Irish Sea backstop.

Since you are an avid history buff lfc maybe you can elaborate about Liverpool and the slave trade,tia.

Thought he was s wind up to be honest .....

People engage with him for the entertainment value he provides. The only problem is he doesn't know when to stop. Theres a fine line between being a clown and being an idiot. He can't differentiate between the two.

And if anybody should know that its you,with a touch of evil of course,still karma will shaft you in the end

This tribalism caused by brexit isnt good

How did the queens eleven do today ?

lfc1971
No that’s wrong , I’ve explained before that Ireland with other foreign enemies of England tried to overthrow England’s parliament , gained after a bloody  civil war in England ending the absolute monarchy , the first democratic parliament .
Now that was a big mistake on Ireland’s part If you are part of the war then you can’t expect not to suffer the consequences now can you

It is amazing that you can make accusations, and not mention one name or one date.

Could you be referring to the death of Charles II in 1685, and the succession by his brother James II, a Catholic.
James gave a Declaration of Indulgence in England (and Ireland) granting freedom of religion.  This was unpopular with Protestants.
When an heir was born in 1688 to Catholic James II, it was feared a succession line of Catholic monarchs would result, and Protestants renounced their loyalty to their King (I assume they were "Loyalists"),
and invited his daughter Mary (Protestant) and her husband, William of Orange, Protestant, to the English throne.
King James II fled to France to get help from Louis XIV.
"King" James looked to Ireland as a path back to the throne of England, arriving on the southern coast at Kinsale in 1689.
The Battle of the Boyne 1690 was between a usurped English King, James II, and his usurper William of Orange.


Perhaps lfc1971 has a different period of history in mind where the Irish were at fault and deserved to suffer the consequences.
If lfc1971 has the time he could list the invasions of England by Irish armies over the centuries, with dates and names of course.

I am thankful that at least some of the jews survived the holocaust. At least it was a better result than the whole jewish community of york being massacred by the english in 1190.....

So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from hell
Blue skies from pain
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail
A smile from a veil
Do you think you can tell

Did they get you to trade
Your heroes for ghosts
Hot ashes for trees
Hot air for a cool breeze
Cold comfort for change
Did you exchange
A walk on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage

FFS we're back to 1190.
Can anyone beat that?

Sep 1, 2019 -- 7:31PM, kincsem wrote:

lfc1971No that’s wrong , I’ve explained before that Ireland with other foreign enemies of England tried to overthrow England’s parliament , gained after a bloody  civil war in England ending the absolute monarchy , the first democratic parliament .Now that was a big mistake on Ireland’s part If you are part of the war then you can’t expect not to suffer the consequences now can youIt is amazing that you can make accusations, and not mention one name or one date.Could you be referring to the death of Charles II in 1685, and the succession by his brother James II, a Catholic.James gave a Declaration of Indulgence in England (and Ireland) granting freedom of religion.  This was unpopular with Protestants.When an heir was born in 1688 to Catholic James II, it was feared a succession line of Catholic monarchs would result, and Protestants renounced their loyalty to their King (I assume they were "Loyalists"),and invited his daughter Mary (Protestant) and her husband, William of Orange, Protestant, to the English throne.King James II fled to France to get help from Louis XIV."King" James looked to Ireland as a path back to the throne of England, arriving on the southern coast at Kinsale in 1689.The Battle of the Boyne 1690 was between a usurped English King, James II, and his usurper William of Orange.Perhaps lfc1971 has a different period of history in mind where the Irish were at fault and deserved to suffer the consequences.If lfc1971 has the time he could list the invasions of England by Irish armies over the centuries, with dates and names of course.

After Henry 8th's reformation act to create the Church of England the last thing they wanted was to have the Catholic side of the Stuarts take over again.

The Jocks were a constant pain in the arse and collaborated with the French at any opportunity, creating a back door into England.

The fact the Irish assisted him made them a common enemy.

In fact after Anne died they went to the Hanoverians who were the only family with a protestant relative of the Stuart line.

George 1st was really the first King to have limited power and from that day on became more of a figurehead and parliament/people took control.
In fact the first 3 or 4 Georges were absolutely useless!

Sep 2, 2019 -- 12:27AM, akabula wrote:

FFS we're back to 1190.Can anyone beat that?

Well the Noggies invaded Ireland in the 800s!

300 BC Clonycavan Man murdered.
Never been solved causing consternation amongst his relatives who have asked that the PSNI reopen the investigation.

500 BC
Aka got a correct score bet up.

This is the sort of thread we get, when we decide to discuss the history of Ireland with...Noddy