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Time to go, Blatant Remoaner , Speaker should show no Bias , how long do we have to put up with him continually showing his true colours ?
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Look people. None of them are interested in you shower. Career, money and look at me me me. Talk about Me too - that organisation shouldn't have that label - it should be for politicos here. love it
Politicos are some of the most ignorant and inward looking people I know.
They don't even know what democracy is! But they do want their Parliament to be Sovereign.
WTF you rabbiting about with that nonsense WD.
WTF you rabbiting about with that nonsense WD.
WD been arguing with himself but has still to realise it.
Democracy is a system of government where the citizens exercise power by voting.
In a representative democracy the citizens elect representatives from among themselves.
A parliamentary system or parliamentary democracy is a system of democratic governance of a state where the executive derives its democratic legitimacy from its ability to command the confidence of the legislature, typically a parliament, and is also held accountable to that parliament.
`The will of the people' is meaningless garbage.
This is a betting site. How would you all bet if there was a 2nd referendum. I would make it 1/12 Remain, 12/1 leave.
So leave the `will of the people' to people who would vote someone from Towie if they were asked to vote for a Prime Minister.
At last it looks like the massive majority of sensible remain politicians from all party's are finally getting their act together and prepared to collude
for the benefit of the country.
I just hope they have a cunning plan to bring down the ridiculous Johnson without allowing Corbyn the enter number 10 whilst at the same time getting a 2nd referendum on the books.
Then sometime next year business, individuals and hopefully a non marxist government can get on with trying to grow the economy for the benefit of everyone
in the UK (the UK will not exist if we leave the EU - you so realise that BREXIT voters?????). Instead of committing self harm that will be felt for decades just because alot of people wanted to show they were a bit angry about `something' - well foreigners will do in 2016.
In a representative democracy the citizens elect representatives from among themselves.
A parliamentary system or parliamentary democracy is a system of democratic governance of a state where the executive derives its democratic legitimacy from its ability to command the confidence of the legislature, typically a parliament, and is also held accountable to that parliament.
`The will of the people' is meaningless garbage.
This is a betting site. How would you all bet if there was a 2nd referendum. I would make it 1/12 Remain, 12/1 leave.
So leave the `will of the people' to people who would vote someone from Towie if they were asked to vote for a Prime Minister.
At last it looks like the massive majority of sensible remain politicians from all party's are finally getting their act together and prepared to collude
for the benefit of the country.
I just hope they have a cunning plan to bring down the ridiculous Johnson without allowing Corbyn the enter number 10 whilst at the same time getting a 2nd referendum on the books.
Then sometime next year business, individuals and hopefully a non marxist government can get on with trying to grow the economy for the benefit of everyone
in the UK (the UK will not exist if we leave the EU - you so realise that BREXIT voters?????). Instead of committing self harm that will be felt for decades just because alot of people wanted to show they were a bit angry about `something' - well foreigners will do in 2016.
At last it looks like the massive majority of sensible remain politicians from all party's are finally getting their act together and prepared to collude for the benefit of the country.
Absolute twaddle. The enemy within/EU collaborators more accurate.
Absolute twaddle.
The enemy within/EU collaborators more accurate.
i think captain canrage needs to go back to his slumber. Sensible remain politicians go to be on a wind-up
Not sure about EU collaborators - there was a deal that would have taken us out of the EU but bizarrely the most pro Brexit MP's voted against it lol.
All ideological zealots are brought down through their own intransigence.
If we had left on the terms of that deal the economy would probably have only shrunk a bit more than other EU states over the next couple of decades.
But by insisting on a hard or no deal brexit, there would be severe short term disruption to all individuals and a severe decline in the ecomony over the next 2 decades
that would almost certainly result in a government being elected on a mandate to return us to the EU.
The stupidity of the brexiter MP's is more dumbfounding than the millions of poor people, particularly in south wales and the north of England who voted leave despite being big net beneficiaries from EU membership and who will suffer most if and when we leave.
But life is full of irony.
All ideological zealots are brought down through their own intransigence.
If we had left on the terms of that deal the economy would probably have only shrunk a bit more than other EU states over the next couple of decades.
But by insisting on a hard or no deal brexit, there would be severe short term disruption to all individuals and a severe decline in the ecomony over the next 2 decades
that would almost certainly result in a government being elected on a mandate to return us to the EU.
The stupidity of the brexiter MP's is more dumbfounding than the millions of poor people, particularly in south wales and the north of England who voted leave despite being big net beneficiaries from EU membership and who will suffer most if and when we leave.
But life is full of irony.
Come on then boys.
Tell me
1) How the UK stays together after we leave the EU? Scotland will undoubtedly have independence within a couple of years.
2) How our economy does not deteriorate affecting the poorest the most. Every single independent study concludes this. In fact just
read 5 pages of any economics book and you will understand why.
3) How the NHS/Care system does not suffer/deteriorate badly. Are we going to beg and use what little money is left in the economy to bribe
tens of thousands from India/Bangledesh and other Commonwealth countries to come and work here?
Tell me
1) How the UK stays together after we leave the EU? Scotland will undoubtedly have independence within a couple of years.
2) How our economy does not deteriorate affecting the poorest the most. Every single independent study concludes this. In fact just
read 5 pages of any economics book and you will understand why.
3) How the NHS/Care system does not suffer/deteriorate badly. Are we going to beg and use what little money is left in the economy to bribe
tens of thousands from India/Bangledesh and other Commonwealth countries to come and work here?
Carnage - who is bothered about the poor? Our politicos certainly aren't.
ps
the eurozone is declining - even a thicko like me nose you shouldn't klingon to a sinking ship
man the lifeboats.
ps
the eurozone is declining - even a thicko like me nose you shouldn't klingon to a sinking ship
man the lifeboats.
they are all self important clowns with no interest in the ordinary people. just look at the petty bickering over who should lead this theoretical government of national unity - a laughable term in itself when it's a parliamentary stitch up to thwart the will of the biggest popular vote ever
Yet all evidence is they are doing exactly what the people want, ie. rejecting no deal, there is no evidence that is what the people want.
And leaving the European Union doesn't have a singular outcome, there are many ways you can do it.
The parliamentary democracy voted for a referendum to decide the issue and the referendum decided it.
People literally voted for no deal. There was no deal and the vote was to leave.
People literally voted for no deal. There was no deal and the vote was to leave.
@n88uk When is the penny going to drop with you?
Nobody wants to leave with a No Deal.
However if the EU won't renegotiate and thats our only option then the public will accept it.
Nobody wants to leave with a No Deal.
However if the EU won't renegotiate and thats our only option then the public will accept it.
indeed no deal has to be better than no democracy. if you don't or simply won't honour a public vote heading down a very hazardous route
No one wants that Route , But be assured should there be some sort of Uprising ,Full Names Pictures of the Perps will be Available within Minutes Across all platforms , Extreme right Types , Uneducated thugs who's only association with football
will be as Hooligans .. No scientists Engineers or Doctors Listed , The BEEB will be running pages for the Next 40 years on
how we avoided the Horror of Brexit and Nazi Rule in the uk .
will be as Hooligans .. No scientists Engineers or Doctors Listed , The BEEB will be running pages for the Next 40 years on
how we avoided the Horror of Brexit and Nazi Rule in the uk .
Aug 17, 2019 -- 12:36AM, tobermory wrote:
The parliamentary democracy voted for a referendum to decide the issue and the referendum decided it.People literally voted for no deal. There was no deal and the vote was to leave.
Then why have they consistently voted to reject no deal since including voting a majority of MPs who rejected no deal at the last general election?
Aug 17, 2019 -- 12:37AM, akabula wrote:
@n88uk When is the penny going to drop with you?Nobody wants to leave with a No Deal.However if the EU won't renegotiate and thats our only option then the public will accept it.
It isn't our only option. The EU won't negotiate the withdrawal agreement, they will negotiate the political declaration.
88 will have press cuttings in his scrap book of How fascism was thwarted in the UK 
of How fascism was thwarted in the UK
Aug 17, 2019 -- 12:43AM, mafeking wrote:
indeed no deal has to be better than no democracy. if you don't or simply won't honour a public vote heading down a very hazardous route
If you bypass parliament for the most important decision of a generation you are heading down an even more hazardous route.
Err .. ... It's not difficult as to see why democracy is going wrong here:
Step 1: Parliament, like Cameron, thought they would win the initial referendum. They thought it would show him/them as
noble democrats and extinguish the "fascist" UKIP if they did so. Yay, "fox is shot!". Virtually every MP voted
for the referendum, as they thought it wouldn't lose.
Step 2: The people told the political "Elite" to piddle off and voted the other way. Woops - if you are a politician who
thinks they are there to rule not to serve.
The proletariat defying us was not part of the plan.
Step 3: Constant backpedalling. They now don't WANT to appear undemocratic, but won't allow the people (who they represent)
get their vote implemented. So we've the ridiculous situation of MPs being voted in on a "will implement" ticket who
have no intention of doing so and never will. Dishonest politicians? Never!
(Step 3B: Corbyn doesn't give a sh1t either way as their voter base is divided and Corbyn just wants power out of it).
Step 4: The people are getting angry as they are not stupid. They can see everything that is going on.
3 years of the majority being told they are stupid racists by a London based left wing media does not help btw.
There is something strange about a media for 3 years patronising 52% of the country they are fascist morons
and anyone on the other side they should be scared of the fascist morons .. getting perturbed this country might be
angry and divided. Who could foresee THAT coming?
Step 5: If they ditch the result... The politicians who have spent 3 years saying the people's vote is sovereign then
overturn it (as if it wasn't the plan all along) think this will be a victory for democracy and forgotten?
The only small glimmer of light is SOME politicians can see the above.
E.g. Caroline Flint, Labour, who voted Remain, every time I've heard her talk about Brexit has sounded one of the few sane
and honourable ones and I believe would agree with (most!) of what I've said above.
She's one of the few rational adults left. If Boris goes, make her PM ..
Step 1: Parliament, like Cameron, thought they would win the initial referendum. They thought it would show him/them as
noble democrats and extinguish the "fascist" UKIP if they did so. Yay, "fox is shot!". Virtually every MP voted
for the referendum, as they thought it wouldn't lose.
Step 2: The people told the political "Elite" to piddle off and voted the other way. Woops - if you are a politician who
thinks they are there to rule not to serve.
The proletariat defying us was not part of the plan.
Step 3: Constant backpedalling. They now don't WANT to appear undemocratic, but won't allow the people (who they represent)
get their vote implemented. So we've the ridiculous situation of MPs being voted in on a "will implement" ticket who
have no intention of doing so and never will. Dishonest politicians? Never!
(Step 3B: Corbyn doesn't give a sh1t either way as their voter base is divided and Corbyn just wants power out of it).
Step 4: The people are getting angry as they are not stupid. They can see everything that is going on.
3 years of the majority being told they are stupid racists by a London based left wing media does not help btw.
There is something strange about a media for 3 years patronising 52% of the country they are fascist morons
and anyone on the other side they should be scared of the fascist morons .. getting perturbed this country might be
angry and divided. Who could foresee THAT coming?
Step 5: If they ditch the result... The politicians who have spent 3 years saying the people's vote is sovereign then
overturn it (as if it wasn't the plan all along) think this will be a victory for democracy and forgotten?
The only small glimmer of light is SOME politicians can see the above.
E.g. Caroline Flint, Labour, who voted Remain, every time I've heard her talk about Brexit has sounded one of the few sane
and honourable ones and I believe would agree with (most!) of what I've said above.
She's one of the few rational adults left. If Boris goes, make her PM ..
The overwhelming majority of MPs wanted to implement the result of the referendum. They were ignored in the process for political reasons while Theresa May pandered to the far right in her party who let her down in the end anyway.
Like I said earlier if Labour had been in charge we'd have been out by now, the majorities always lied near what Labour set out (what Labour actually set out was fantasy, but we can see where it was heading). The Conservatives don't seem to realise not only do they not have a majority that their own party is split on Brexit anyway.
Like I said earlier if Labour had been in charge we'd have been out by now, the majorities always lied near what Labour set out (what Labour actually set out was fantasy, but we can see where it was heading). The Conservatives don't seem to realise not only do they not have a majority that their own party is split on Brexit anyway.
Also anyone who thinks the media is left wing is deluding themselves. The media has a clear right wing bias, and the media that is right wing tends to be further to the right than the left wing media.
You only need to see how Corbyn is continually savaged by the overwhelming majority of media, while the likes of Farage and far rights in the Tories enjoy far more support from the media. The reasoning being obvious that capitalism will fund media, and thus have the bigger influence on it.
You only need to see how Corbyn is continually savaged by the overwhelming majority of media, while the likes of Farage and far rights in the Tories enjoy far more support from the media. The reasoning being obvious that capitalism will fund media, and thus have the bigger influence on it.
And with that ^^^ I realise there is no point arguing with you.
Anyone who watches e.g. BBC/C4 and thinks they are either right wing or pro brexit is has political compass pointing at Lenin.
Anyone who watches e.g. BBC/C4 and thinks they are either right wing or pro brexit is has political compass pointing at Lenin.
BBC that spins everything back to Corbyn having a bad day? That has consistently given Farage a massive platform normally totally unchallenged on whatever he's saying going back many years despite the fact he's never been able to win a seat as an MP?
That BBC?
That BBC?
Its like trying to debate with someone smashed at 1am in a pub 88.
You can hear the anger without logic in all the comments on this thread.
None of the leavers answer any questions posed to them with any sort of rational or intelligence.
`We voted out, lets get out' is all you get. The more this is said without explanation the more previous leave voters realise what a ridiculous mistake they have made.
Right now and going forward there will be a massively bigger majority of the population of the UK who want to stay in the EU than leave. The huge bulk of politians who know this and care for the country just have to plot the right course over the next few months.
You can hear the anger without logic in all the comments on this thread.
None of the leavers answer any questions posed to them with any sort of rational or intelligence.
`We voted out, lets get out' is all you get. The more this is said without explanation the more previous leave voters realise what a ridiculous mistake they have made.
Right now and going forward there will be a massively bigger majority of the population of the UK who want to stay in the EU than leave. The huge bulk of politians who know this and care for the country just have to plot the right course over the next few months.
a few facts might concentrate the brexiteer loons
there has never been a deal on the table,there has been a pathway agreed towards negotiating a deal, any deal the commons wants if it can agree it with the EU
that path to a possible deal is currently no longer on the table
the reff result wont be over turned unless the electorate vote for it to be overturned
thems the facts ,the rest is just opinion at best, garbage at worst, if all opinions are considered, debated between those 3 facts,we,ll have a better debate
there has never been a deal on the table,there has been a pathway agreed towards negotiating a deal, any deal the commons wants if it can agree it with the EU
that path to a possible deal is currently no longer on the table
the reff result wont be over turned unless the electorate vote for it to be overturned
thems the facts ,the rest is just opinion at best, garbage at worst, if all opinions are considered, debated between those 3 facts,we,ll have a better debate
Once we are out there should be a criminal investigation into the remainers , some deserve a life sentence in one of our modern prisons
2018 now boris Johnson thinks he,s going to be PM, LOL
WHO,S LAUGHING NOW
WHO,S LAUGHING NOW
It will be lovely to see Clarke and Greive and Corbyn and the Lib Dem leader , whoever she is , in the dock
The Brexiteers are in charge now , we are making the decisions , get used to it
And once we are out we are going to make sure remainers never get the chance to vote to take us back in , ever again.
Aug 17, 2019 -- 10:36AM, lfc1971 wrote:
tick tock :)
Don't be such a conformist. Real rebels do tock tick
Don’t think we cannot do it . That would only make you sad
I'm not doubting for even one second that you can do tock tick instead of tick tock. You can. I believe in you.
talking of rational or intelligence:
Right now and going forward there will be a massively bigger majority of the population of the UK who want to stay in the EU than leave.
absolue bollox with no foundation whatsoever. So captain canrage, any more gems of wisdom before you go back to playing with "88'? As for answering questions, who the hell do you think you all are that everyone has to answer yours or anyone elses supercilious tripe. I've already berated WD for talking to people like they're something he has just stood in; & here you arrive with the same mental attitude. I could rip you & your crap apart in less time than it took me to have a good fart. So behave yourself & act like a grown-up
Right now and going forward there will be a massively bigger majority of the population of the UK who want to stay in the EU than leave.
absolue bollox with no foundation whatsoever. So captain canrage, any more gems of wisdom before you go back to playing with "88'? As for answering questions, who the hell do you think you all are that everyone has to answer yours or anyone elses supercilious tripe. I've already berated WD for talking to people like they're something he has just stood in; & here you arrive with the same mental attitude. I could rip you & your crap apart in less time than it took me to have a good fart. So behave yourself & act like a grown-up
done any 10 year searches on other forumites lately, DS edy? I prefer adorable to supercilious
i've not had my immunisations so i don't think so deary
& before you or any other bright spark thinks of reporting me; i meant rip captain canrages verbal crap & unfounded diatribe apart. Just to clarify to the whingers on here
Aug 17, 2019 -- 11:56AM, Baphornet wrote:
i've not had my immunisations so i don't think so deary
ugh, you are one of those anti-vaccinations loons?
tbh edy, i don't think they've invented a serum to protect against collaborators - yet
Plenty substances out there to take care of collaborators.
(You might not be aware of this, but it's not possible to contract collaboratitis through virtual cuddling)
It’s quite easy to carry out a course of treatment for traitors surely ?
it's surprising what you can catch from verbal diatribe, edy
Aug 17, 2019 -- 12:14PM, Baphornet wrote:
it's surprising what you can catch from verbal diatribe, edy
No talk, just cuddling.
Brexiteers nature includes us to treat people well
Who could deny that after the great patience and forberance we have shown
Unfortunately times up
Who could deny that after the great patience and forberance we have shown
Unfortunately times up
oh dear, edy seems to keep contradicting his own "humour" Stick to detective work, DS edy - there's a good chap
and please do not be so condescending towards fellow forum family members, little buddy.
Aug 17, 2019 -- 12:17PM, lfc1971 wrote:
I’m meant to be cutting the grass :(
And conform to the EU regulation on maximum grass length? Away with it! True Brexiteers let their lawn grow to protest the EU.
Ive never heard of those rules edy , silly me
and never would I wish to investigate them
and never would I wish to investigate them
That's how the EU and their shills&collaborators operate. Sneakily make you follow their hideous rules without you even realizing. Often even manipulate ordinary people into believing it's all good and proper.
In the garden you find health and good spirits again , and you have more beautiful thoughts than that
The trees speak to me and they say lfc , don’t believe that all remainers are nasty and wicked
Yeah, and the EU don't want that. They want you to precisely cut the lawn and remove any weeds. The aim is to create a miserable and conforming area with little to no wildlife instead of a diverse paradise of many different plants and animals. Watching nature and happy dragonfly faces brings joy to the people and the EU doesn't want that.
That lovely things like gardens and trees exist , is a lovely thought
Did you know it was a Brit that invented trees? I kid you not. Read it in a book once.
E.g. Caroline Flint, Labour, who voted Remain, every time I've heard her talk about Brexit has sounded one of the few sane
and honourable ones and I believe would agree with (most!) of what I've said above.
She's one of the few rational adults left. If Boris goes, make her PM ..
Everytime you see the Lady and Brexit is the Topic , you can see the Look of disbelief on her face as to what has and is Going on to stop us Leaving ..
Put her in charge , I think we may well see some changes at the Top of the Party ,I might even consider voting for Labour
She is the Future of the Labour party
and honourable ones and I believe would agree with (most!) of what I've said above.
She's one of the few rational adults left. If Boris goes, make her PM ..
Everytime you see the Lady and Brexit is the Topic , you can see the Look of disbelief on her face as to what has and is Going on to stop us Leaving ..
Put her in charge , I think we may well see some changes at the Top of the Party ,I might even consider voting for Labour
She is the Future of the Labour party
ps
We are already out!!
hope I have cleared that up.
Now lets see if the french president will stop the Normans sending us cheese and wine
Good luck with that mr microbe ho ho
We are already out!!
hope I have cleared that up.
Now lets see if the french president will stop the Normans sending us cheese and wine
Good luck with that mr microbe ho ho
lfc1971 - is that Liverpool? I take it you arn't one of the majority of scousers who sensibly voted to remain, having seen an incredible rennaisance of the city in the last 25 years - due mostly through European money.
Or are you one of those millions of very odd Liverpool supporters with no links to the area.
Or are you one of those millions of very odd Liverpool supporters with no links to the area.
Mr Bercow, who has long been accused of being pro-Remain by Brexiteers, said he thought Brexit was “the biggest mistake of this country after the war”.
Speaking at a meeting with the Foreign Press Association in London, Mr Bercow, 56, said: “I'm no longer the Speaker, I don't have to be impartial, so if you ask me if I think Brexit is good for our international standing, the honest answer is not, I don't think so.”
"I don't have to be impartial" PMSFL
Absolutely scandalous Blatant Remainer Running the show ,Somes up democracy in the UHK today ....
Speaking at a meeting with the Foreign Press Association in London, Mr Bercow, 56, said: “I'm no longer the Speaker, I don't have to be impartial, so if you ask me if I think Brexit is good for our international standing, the honest answer is not, I don't think so.”
"I don't have to be impartial" PMSFL
Absolutely scandalous Blatant Remainer Running the show ,Somes up democracy in the UHK today ....
John Bercow: Brexit is 'biggest mistake of the UK since the war'
WHAT WAR ?? WTF is he talikng about ????
WHAT WAR ?? WTF is he talikng about ????
Incase he never noticed Germany had invaded Most of Europe ,We were Next , and absolutely Scndalous remark to make 
If he happens to be Referring to IRAQ , that would be down to one of his Fellow Luvvey chums MR TONY BLAIR
He needs to stand up and explain what he is Talking About ,The man is an odious Toad .
He needs to stand up and explain what he is Talking About ,The man is an odious Toad .
"I'm no longer the Speaker. I don't have to remain impartial now... Brexit is the biggest foreign policy mistake in the post-war period"
Former Commons Speaker John Bercow speaks his mind on Brexit
Oh so he's admitted to not being impartial then
Jesus Christ what an absolute s*** show. I can't even be bothered to get p***ed of about it
Former Commons Speaker John Bercow speaks his mind on Brexit
Oh so he's admitted to not being impartial then
Jesus Christ what an absolute s*** show. I can't even be bothered to get p***ed of about it
John Bercow: Brexit is 'biggest mistake of the UK since the war'
WHAT WAR ?? WTF is he talikng about ????
If its the Iraq one he's admitting his b*m chum Blair is a war criminal, if its WW2 is basically part of the crusade that is trying to whitewash history
WHAT WAR ?? WTF is he talikng about ????
If its the Iraq one he's admitting his b*m chum Blair is a war criminal, if its WW2 is basically part of the crusade that is trying to whitewash history
I don't have to remain impartial now
Trying to be funny but he's practically just admitted he was never acting impartial
I mean come on ffs
Trying to be funny but he's practically just admitted he was never acting impartial
I mean come on ffs
You can bet your bottom dollar that his effects to **** up Brexit he would have been well rewarded for.
Yes Terry would Imagine Brown Envelopes a Pleny the past year or Two ...
Regarding the War statement ,He need to be asked what he is talking about ...
Regarding the War statement ,He need to be asked what he is talking about ...
I think much more will come out about this man's behaviour now he is retired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzOMi_ep6mI
His advice to the graduates today - KBO.
His advice to the graduates today - KBO.
If he is referring to World War two being a Mistake ,Where 100s of 000s of Brits fought and Died so the Likes of him could Live in a Free and Democratic country He needs to fully Explain his reasoning , We already know his thoughts on Democracy .
He needs to go find a Bridge to live under .....
He needs to go find a Bridge to live under .....
let's hope he continues to make plenty of appearances and public statements slagging off brexit during the campaign 
Nov 6, 2019 -- 5:06PM, casemoney wrote:
If he is referring to World War two being a Mistake ,Where 100s of 000s of Brits fought and Died so the Likes of him could Live in a Free and Democratic country He needs to fully Explain his reasoning , We already know his thoughts on Democracy . He needs to go find a Bridge to live under .....
If he is saying it was a mistake then all those people lost their lives for nothing then
I know their argument will be 'well they're dead now so can't bother us'
We're still here mate, and we are going to do something about it should be our attitude
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