How long has Boris Johnson got left as PM

this is McDonnell chatting sh ite:

The shadow chancellor’s comments at Edinburgh Fringe Festival on Wednesday suggested that MPs attempting to block a no-deal Brexit would involve the monarch if they ran out of options.

Mr McDonnell said Labour would ask the Queen to appoint party leader Mr Corbyn as prime minister if Mr Johnson refused to step down.

He said he did not want to “drag the Queen into this” but would “send Jeremy Corbyn in a cab to Buckingham Palace to say we’re taking over”.

What will his legacy be?

Mussed up hair !

piffle

Queen is a bit of a Markist....by all accounts !

poffle boff boff wiff waff

Queen doesn't like adulterers !

McDonnell 's comment was a quip.
BUT within the constitution, if Johnson loses a vote of no confidence in the government, as PM he should resign.
His ' advisor' has stated , he would not resign. In this instance, the Queen would be advised that a new Government needs to be formed and she would insist that the ' defeated ' PM step down.

no the Queen can say what she likes , the pm will not stand down
The Queen will do as she’s told , by the people , not the republican anti democrats

Will Cumming's men kidnap HM?

"ping pong"

Lol

Can you imagine that little weasel  corbyn turning up at Buckingham palace and demanding things
The Queen will be at balmoral anyway

The quartermaster is a republican moron.

Surely Corbyn will go to see The Queen on his horse and cart????

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We might have to send commie terrorist loving Corbyn to one of our modern prisons if he continues to defy the will of the people

quarter master McDonnell also

The moment people find out he is full of crap that's how long

They are all full of crap, considering the serial liar May wasnt ever subject to these questions is remarkable.

Undemocratic commie corbyn is just one big joke.

May to her eternal credit tried to get us out
Corbyn and the rest of the usual suspects are trying to keep us in

They wont let Jeez win as he supports the "wrong" side

The Labour Party and the libdems and those who vote for these parties can never be trusted again

o whys that IFC? And good morning guys

The UK economy is one step away from a possible recession, after shrinking 0.2% in the second quarter.

It is the first time the country's GDP - the measure of economic expansion - has contracted since late 2012.

Manufacturing output fell by 2.3%, the biggest calendar quarter fall since 2009
The important services sector grew but at the weakest rate since early 2016.
Business investment, which has been historically weak since the June 2016 Brexit vote, faltered further in the second quarter, contracting by 0.5%.

Despite this, Chancellor Sajid Javid said the fundamentals of the UK economy are "strong".

If the third quarter returns a negative result, then the resulting recession would be the first since the financial crisis and recession of 2008-09.

But it will not be clear whether the UK has managed to avoid a recession or not until early November - after the 31 October deadline for the UK to leave the European Union.

The pound fell against the euro and the US dollar on the GDP news.

David Cheetham, chief market analyst at XTB, said: "Given the growing threat of a no-deal Brexit that looms menacingly overhead, it would not be at all surprising if the current quarter also shows a contraction - therefore meeting the standard definition of a recession with consecutive drops in quarterly GDP."

Nancy Curtin, chief investment officer of Close Brothers Asset Management, said there is "no doubt the UK is struggling".

"The services and automotive sectors have decelerated, construction and manufacturing have declined, and business activity has stalled. The impact of Brexit is no doubt exacerbated by the wider global slowdown."

Chris Williamson, chief business economist at IHS Markit, said: "Given the backdrop of slower global economic growth and heightened Brexit uncertainty, the UK economy looks set to struggle in coming months.

"There's a chance that we could see growth lift higher amid no-deal Brexit planning as we head towards 31 October, but the headwinds in the wider economic environment mean any such boost is likely to prove all too brief."

The whole world seems to be heading downwards not just the UK,and the clue is,the likes of Russia,china,USA have been buying into precious metals big time for a little time now.But Brexit is a wonderful fear factor when used by the media.

If the media didn't mention Brexit, would the impact that it is having on the economy (whatever that may be) be removed ?

Would change the mood for sure,and as I say it would appear economy around the world are the same as ours,it looks like a recession all over again,they say even worse than 2008.

We haven’t left so their wild imaginings are neither here nor there

good morning terry , the Labour Party and the Lib Dem’s cannot be trusted because we had a referendum which they are determined to overturn
It’s quite simple really , they can’t be trusted because they don’t deserve to be trusted

and of course it’s all remainers who cannot be trusted , if the last three years has taught us anything that much is safely clear

( not all but the vast majority , a few have behaved honourably

very few

It is the Leavers who kept us in by voting against Theresa May's withdrawal agreement. We'd have left the EU in March if it weren't for the Brexiteer headbangers in the ERG who kept voting against their own side. Boris managed to vote for it and against it.

I admire them , they are happy to leave , stop preaching about others until you follow their good example and accept the democratic referendum

They are happy to leave and yet they repeatedly voted to stop us leaving. That's the paradox of Tory Brexiteers.

you’re not prepared to accept that democrat vote are you ramruma ?

There you go, that’s just another little example of why you can’t trust remainers
They don’t deserve to be trusted

the BJ is a dead Prime Minister walking

Gawn by the middle is September. They say he won't resign, Ha! He doesn't have to. The Queen will appoint a new PM

Isn't that right lfc? Parliament is Sovereign!

Cummings is being played at his own game

deary me , there’s another one who doesn’t understand
The people voted , parliament and her majesty and any other power anywhere in the world
Must obey

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@lfc1871 for the umpteenth time it is the ERG and other Leave MPs who kept us in.

Theresa May negotiated her withdrawal agreement with the EU.
We were due to exit the EU on 29 March.
The reason we are still in the EU now is that Tory Brexiteer headbangers, including Boris and the ERG, voted against Theresa May's deal in the House of Commons.
Three times.
Well three times for the ERG but Boris voted for and against the same deal on different occasions.

It is not the Remainers fault that Leave MPs are too stupid to accept yes for an answer. If Leave MPs had voted for Theresa May's deal, we would already have left the EU.

You can ramble on all you like ramruma
No ones fooled by the remainers now , as I said until you are prepared to accept the democratic referendum result pipe down about anyone else
When remainers start to preach about anyone something within me starts to laugh

And jeer

Let me make it simple for you , I’m not worried about anyone who is happy to leave , they are honourable

It’s those , like yourself who will not accept that
No matter the outcome now, that can never be forgiven or forgotten

Corbyn has more to fear from a no confidence vote than Johnson, hard to imagine Corbyn surviving calling a vote and then losing it because a third of his MPs went awol, the reason he did not call a vote of no confidence against May was because he knew he couldn't rely on his own party to back him.

there is no guarantee that Bozo will lose a vote of N/C. He is just as likely to win one. How can his own Party members (forget Grieve the Brussels cuckoo) vote against him so soon after Parliament sits? He's not had chance to do anything; so explain that to the members if you dare. Labour dissenters & Jezza haters - of which there are many, are not guaranteed to vote him down either. Which could lead to quite a few sitting on their hands

ramruma i partly agree with you but even if the erg had all voted in favour of the wa i think the government would still have been short by the odd vote. it may well  have made getting the necessary labour votes easier.

you shouldnt miss out the remainers, they have played into the hands of the erg goons. after a year and a half of negotiations there was a wa, it was and is the one and only deal on offer. by consistently voting against it the remainers look like they have helped make a no deal leave likely.

back to the op, my guess is two years.

r u serious Swag?

I think he is gawn gawn gawn!

I have a feeling Brexit will be delayed, temporarily certainly but permanently I am not sure.

I do not think anyone can predict what the country will say when they get their vote. There are so many variables. Even if Brexit is accomplished and I don't think it will be, The Brexit Party must stay to ensure no surrender. This will rout the Conservative control of Parliament imho. A Remain Electoral Pact would be really hard to put together. BJ is making a play for the North and Midlands. The new mix of Parliament is so hard to predict and may end in a stalemate.

Aug 9, 2019 -- 9:59AM, Gin wrote:

Surely Corbyn will go to see The Queen on his horse and cart????

Corbyn as PM would be delicious

We'd be proper looked on

I think Corbyn would break BJ's record as shortest serving PM!

He would have to call a GE as soon as he had secured a Brexit delay

Catweazle & The Hood running the country; jeez think carefully my Labour friends

WD, bozo runs down the clock thereby inviting corbyn to call a vonc which the idiot does. bozo then calls a ge framing it as him and the people against those trying to stop brexit. several reasons why immediate post brexit isnt that bad - mainly many exporters dont even try to send product abroad until there is certainty so volumes are down and the day after brexit is a friday which is a quieter day at the ports anyway. all told not much to report at dover save for mark gino francois screaming 'it was all project fear'. bozo wins ge. economic data is lagging so six to twelve months until the country discovers that trading on wto alone (save for a few mainly partial roll overs) isnt very good at all and then the tories are hated. bozo goes from winning an election to being out on his ear in two years.

i really havent got a clue but we are in constitutional crisis, this is my wild (meaning clueless) guess. this could be a fun thread if everyone puts a time on how long he stays in power and says why. i am probably way out, only time will tell. there are many, many possibilities.

The Election has already been framed as Parliament v The people!

Bribes have gone oot oop North and in the Midlands

The major challenger to the BJ is Nigel Fromage and the Brexit Party. A no Deal victory could be undermimed by losing the peace. Lets talk about the £39 Million after Brexit!

Corbyn will not be able to Govern because he cannot control his own party. As I said earlier one way the PLP can get rid of Corbyn is to nominate someone else as PM, even a Conservative!

These are extraordinary times. This may also be decided in the Law Courts and what role will the Queen play. That is really interesting to me.

With Boris representing the people

Delicious!

man of the people!

Aug 9, 2019 -- 10:53AM, terry mccann wrote:

The whole world seems to be heading downwards not just the UK,and the clue is,the likes of Russia,china,USA have been buying into precious metals big time for a little time now.But Brexit is a wonderful fear factor when used by the media.

They wont tell the people about the rate cuts

The bond market in America, go and have a look at it.... its a total disaster

But nothing from the media

he's already had more days than Jezza ever will. Bozo could be around a long long time

Why does everyone drive themselves mad over Brexit. Leave or Remain, the average man in the street isn't going to notice hardly any difference.

We live in a an age with 24 hours news and sh1tty journalists and just as sh1tty politicians, when someone making a non PC tweet leads to acres of coverage and hysterical lynch mobbing.

Something that might have some actual effect dropped into this mix has lead to a form of hysteria imho.

Humans mostly worry themselves about three types of events:

1 - Things that have already happened
2 - Things that may never happen
3 - Things that they cannot influence or control

Bobby McFerrin really should have told us “don’t be happy, worry”, it would have been more realistic and in tune with our natural tendencies.

Ramruma    09 Aug 19 12:14 
@lfc1871 for the umpteenth time it is the ERG and other Leave MPs who kept us in.

Theresa May negotiated her withdrawal agreement with the EU.

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She negotiated a grovelling surrender, not a deal.

she didn't negotiate anything; she was given the EUs plan to sign, then proceeded to bend over & say "Slap my ass Jean-Claude" - "then pass me the pen"

Whatever you think of Theresa May's deal -- good, bad or indifferent -- the fact is we'd have left the EU last March if Boris & the ERG had voted for it rather than against it. That's the paradox: the MPs who claim all that matters is getting out voted to keep us in.

Your statement is based on the assumption that the deal was "out" which they do not believe to be the case, and given e.g. the backstop was essentially keeping us in forever with no veto to allow us to actually leave as such, you cannot say that.

The wording of the backstop within the withdrawal agreement gave provision for “alternative arrangements” to be put in place. These arrangements could include the magic solution that was thrown in to the debate by certain Brexiteers without any precise details being provided.

The point is though we had little control over whether or not we could actually leave and given the manipulative EUs game is to try and keep the UK in I think you'd be mad to trust them to not try and force us down the "kept in in all but name" path.

What arrangement would you have wanted to be included in the WA to ensure the GFA is not compromised?

The agreement even details arrangements for assets of the European Central Bank remaining in the UK at the end of the transition period. We are talking about desks and chairs here

He may well be PM for over 10 years.

And I may well win Miss World...

pic needed

Well best of luck PP

It then goes on to discuss UK military bases in Cyprus.

I could be on to a Tommy Robinson style boon here.

How's about I set up the PayPal, then you pay to the proof...

His premiership could run as long as Helmut Kohl and François Mitterrand.

It might need to run as long as Kohl and Mitterand. If we Brexit with no deal, then it might take that long to negotiate replacement deals with the EU (that will need to be agreed by all 27 members).

And to negotiate deals with other countries to replace the ones they already have with the EU but that we will no longer be part of.

A "no deal" Brexit is not a clean break so much as the start of a very messy process that will drag on for years if not decades.

I think BJ has got about a month left so he better get on with Campaigning for the General Election

so the sooner we get on with it the better eh? As for "a messy process" well lets drag Parliament into unknown territory plus invite Her Maj to the party as well; that will get it moving along nicely - won't it. Clean break or not; it was the countrys decision & can be as clean or dirty as the dissenters want it to be

The country also has a right to change its mind

If Parliament cannot sort out this mess then the people should replaced their elected representatives!

That is democracy.

@Baphornet -- it is not the dissenters, it is the Leavers who have messed things up so far, and who now run the show. It is the Leavers, including the prime minister who also fronted the Leave referendum campaign, who get to choose. I hope there will be a deal, and if so, I imagine it will look a lot like Theresa May's deal with a couple of minor changes so both sides can save face. If we crash out with no deal, as Boris threatens, a lot of ordinary people will get hurt. The millionaire politicians will be all right.

The country also has a right to change its mind

If Parliament cannot sort out this mess then the people should replaced their elected representatives!

That is democracy.

Ramruna: i don't know how many times i've got to say this, but the nutcases deal is kaput - gone, buried. Non-retrievable & non-negotiable. This is a point that the EU & the dissenters need to get their head around. It is the main reason that no-deal is being pushed. No one wants it, no one will vote for it (except Grieve) as a majority. The leavers messed nothing up; the nutcase did it with Molly Robbins; she signed something she shouldn't have because she knew that was all the EU were going to give/tell her what to present to Parliament. She also thought (wrongly) that her own Party would capitulate or she could bully them into accepting the surrender (wrong again) This isn't something i've just come on board with; i've been a hater of the nutcase since Lancaster House. The surrender was being planned as soon as they left the building. Everyone who you call a "leaver" ERG? Knew exactly what was happening from then. So they decided on their own plan of action over 2 years ago; & happily - for me & many many others, they now have control. The plain & simple fact is that the remain community in Parliament have been stuffed over; not only by the ERG, but by Labours inadaquecies & some very dumb MPs

"The definition of democracy is a form of government in which the common people hold political power and can rule either directly or through elected representatives" This is the crux; they either do what the people voted for or get out. Even Bozo understands this

@Baphornet

Boris voted for Theresa May's deal. It is true he also voted against it, but one imagines he does not feel very strongly about it either way.

Labour's 2017 manifesto committed it to leave, honouring the referendum result, but on far different terms from the May deal, and ruling out "no deal". You should not simply lump Labour in with Remainers. Not liking Theresa May's deal is something they share with you and the ERG.

For the ERG, if all that matters is leaving on any terms, then they should have voted for Theresa May's deal. If the terms do matter, and it seems they do, then they must not support "no deal" which is the worst of all possible worlds and which, as stated earlier, will immediately start new negotiations for deals but from a position of weakness.

LOL , Labour who lambasted the tories for making the deal bad due to May's "red lines" when they have 6 red lines themself they will not cross.

In this debacle, the ERG are at least honest. Labour have done nothing but try to position themselves both ways at every instance. A retarded communist leave leader trying to pretend he is a remainer to keep the metropolitan vote onside, ffs.

Dear me how pathetic can you get calling somebody retarded , debate the issues you balloon.

If your capable of that without your poxy insults

how do you know "it's the worst of all possible worlds?" you don't. None of us do; i made my decision & stick by it, i don't listen to a Canuck Europhile or a Europhile MD of the IMF who is as accurate with her predictions as Dave Nevison. As for Bozo voting for the deal, once he did, & he was conned.
I never lumped Labour in with remainers; i said they has inadequecies, & they have; one of them is called Corbyn. I also know (i just posted such) that no one liked the nutcases/EU deal. That's why it's dead & buried. There may well be some small parts of it repeated in a deal to come after we leave, just like most deals have repetitive points once agreed in full by all. This is a time for faith, we have just got rid of a lying sneak of a PM, who's negotiating skills are on a par with John Kerrys; but i don't expect any Europhile to agree with me, & i wouldn't expect them to

that was to Ramruma, sorry

He may last until 2037.

PP may still be Miss World then

And the 4/6 fav to be just that, Bap. Easy money!