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DenzilPenberthy
12 Jul 19 06:34
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FFS yes hypothetically:

The father-of-four alleges he was asked in a conversation with a line manager: “If you have a man six foot tall with a beard who says he wants to be addressed as ‘she’ and ‘Mrs’, would you do that?”

Dr Mackereth, an evangelist who now works as an emergency doctor in Shropshire, claims his contract was then terminated over his refusal to use transgendered pronouns.

He argues that he was dismissed “not because of any realistic concerns over the rights and sensitivities of transgender individuals, but because of my refusal to make an abstract ideological pledge”.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/christian-doctor-lost-job-government-115111714.html
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Report terry mccann July 12, 2019 6:59 AM BST
When something like this becomes a world wide issue from nowhere,you can bet your bottom dollar its part of an elite agenda,now try to work out why this rubbish should be?
Report DenzilPenberthy July 12, 2019 7:03 AM BST
terry the worlds insane think I'm going to stop looking at any news spent far too much time posting on here lately.
Report aaronh July 12, 2019 7:15 AM BST
To use the words of a great poster on here

Mr Mackereth is clearly detached from reality using religious faith in his work all this serves to do is bolster what these fantasists already believe,meaning they don't care at all about authority because they answer to a higher power and can justify this in any way they like (usually a self centred prayer) whilst continuing that lifestyle.
Report aaronh July 12, 2019 7:19 AM BST
People gonna be taken in by the Christian Legal Centre again though, who are always liars
Report DenzilPenberthy July 12, 2019 7:27 AM BST
What's mad about this is he got the bullet without the scenario actually happening.
Report aaronh July 12, 2019 7:34 AM BST
We can revisit this when the resulting case happens but there is a good chance his scenario actually never happened or if it did he has such sub par representation legally that he loses anyway. For one, the hypothetical scenario is the one often brought up by anti trans people as the "I have to call THIS person??" female identifiers

The CLC are responsible for turning the Alfie Evans case nasty and whipping all sorts of crazies into a frenzy.
Report aaronh July 12, 2019 7:46 AM BST
https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/09/piers-morgan-cuts-interview-bigot-doctor-refuses-identify-transgender-patients-self-righteous-10135982/

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Must be bad if piers cant bring himself to lay into some snowflakes Excited
Report aaronh July 12, 2019 7:54 AM BST
Piers is a reactionary at heart but knows when to switch sides to get more acclaim
Report DenzilPenberthy July 12, 2019 7:54 AM BST
Indeed
Report terry mccann July 12, 2019 9:18 AM BST
Den,you are right,it isn't good for the soul.
Report detraveller July 12, 2019 9:36 AM BST

Jul 12, 2019 -- 6:59AM, terry mccann wrote:


When something like this becomes a world wide issue from nowhere,you can bet your bottom dollar its part of an elite agenda,now try to work out why this rubbish should be?


ffs

Report UBLE/REGY July 12, 2019 1:34 PM BST
Dr Mackereth, an evangelist feels he must address trans gender people by their original gender because of his religious beliefs, which

he has every right to.

He has applied for  a job as Disability Benefits Assessor. At his interview they have asked him how he would address trans gender

people,and he has given an honest answer.

But this may not be in line with what how the Disability assessments sections deals with trans gender people. They may like their

assessors to deal with these people in their chosen gender role, rather than their original gender.

So Dr Makereth has rather ruled himself out for this job.

In fact it may not be a hypothetical question at all, he may in the course of his job have to deal with these people

I do NOT think Dr Mackie has a case.
Report UBLE/REGY July 12, 2019 1:37 PM BST
An "abstract ideological pledge”, is something that is very unlikely to happen.

But in this mixed up world he could well be dealing with trans gender people.
Report elisjohn July 12, 2019 4:51 PM BST
a 6ft man with a beard is a man.99%  would agree with me, the other 1% would be liars.
Report mouse muldoon July 12, 2019 4:53 PM BST
Which forumite's missus are you setting up a joke about here?
Report Just Checking July 12, 2019 5:12 PM BST
A 6ft man with a beard walks into a bar.
Barman says "what do you want, Mrs?".
There was a good turnout at his funeral, to be fair.
Report Injera July 12, 2019 5:13 PM BST
'They' want one gender. One set of toilets and showers.

Paedos' dream.
Report Just Checking July 12, 2019 5:23 PM BST
I'm surprised the doctor didn't mention that this is obviously a conspiracy by "the elites". I suppose he's aware that people who've been sectioned are unlikely to be able to practice.
Report Just Checking July 12, 2019 5:29 PM BST
Why are durex so expensive? Surprised the Greens haven't complained about the environmental aspect, and demanded we all use copious body hair (and that's just the women) and an avoidance of soap as a natural contracepticve, like they do.
Report mouse muldoon July 12, 2019 5:31 PM BST
Which forumite's missus are you setting up a joke about here?
Report aaronh July 12, 2019 5:35 PM BST

Jul 12, 2019 -- 5:13PM, Injera wrote:


'They' want one gender. One set of toilets and showers.Paedos' dream.


Stop being weird

Report mouse muldoon July 12, 2019 5:36 PM BST
If you can't be weird on this forum, where can you be?
Report Injera July 12, 2019 5:42 PM BST
Guardian 2017:

An increase in gender-neutral toilets is one of the aims of Sadiq Khan’s draft London Plan. It will address the concerns of transgender people who face intimidation and harassment in gender-segregated facilities when they are perceived by others to be in the “wrong” one.

There are detractors. Some object that gender-neutral toilets take away safe spaces for women. Andrea Williams, chief executive of Christian Concern, said in an interview with the London Evening Standard that the mayor’s proposal was “the latest casualty of an ideological tsunami that sweeps common sense and biological reality aside”.
Report UBLE/REGY July 12, 2019 6:07 PM BST
I find women playing football weird..yet we had a women's football world cupCrazy

We decide our own sex now, we can have a beard and a wanger and be femaleSurprisedSurprised
Report blackbarn July 12, 2019 6:09 PM BST
The toilets in our Village Hall are now gender neutral.  We got the idea from British Airways.
Report UBLE/REGY July 12, 2019 6:11 PM BST
Is there any point of studying Biology, since all previous definitions of the difference between men and women

have to be know thrown in the dustbin.

We have to refer to each other as 'its'
Report detraveller July 12, 2019 7:00 PM BST
That stuff is already around Uble. Have you not heard of cute little theybies?
Report detraveller July 12, 2019 7:04 PM BST
Basically you keep calling your kid it, they, them etc until them is old enough to decide which pronouns it wants used when people refer to they.
Report mouse muldoon July 12, 2019 7:07 PM BST
I tried that with my youngest, he kept calling me gaga.
Report conditor July 12, 2019 7:08 PM BST
It’s all Greek to me Happy
Report mouse muldoon July 12, 2019 7:12 PM BST
*it kept calling me gaga, sorry. Can't believe I made such a schoolperson error there.
Report portmanpark July 12, 2019 7:35 PM BST
denzil….He got the sack because like you he is a bigot.At least he as religion to blame whats your excuse??
Report mouse muldoon July 12, 2019 7:40 PM BST
Denzil does have a religion to blame.
Report elisjohn July 12, 2019 7:52 PM BST
if i walked down my street in a dress and lipstick tomorrow, people would think hes gone mad, and i wouldnt blame them.
Report mouse muldoon July 12, 2019 7:54 PM BST
I'd do you a little wolfie whistle.
Report mouse muldoon July 12, 2019 7:55 PM BST
All in the best possible taste.
Report elisjohn July 12, 2019 8:36 PM BST
whid whiw thx mouse
Report DenzilPenberthy July 12, 2019 9:28 PM BST
portmanpark how am I a bigot?
Please explain your post and the relevance to a person being sacked on a hypothetical notion,why single out me on this thread? is that a mistake for someone with your mental capacity?
I look forward to your reply.
Report Ibrahima Sonko July 12, 2019 10:03 PM BST
In court:

Concluding his opening statement, Dr Mackereth, who now works as an emergency doctor in Shropshire said: “What I object to is being forced to do violence to language and common sense, in a ritual denial of an obvious truth, for the sake of an ideology which I disbelieve and detest.


Seems ok to me.
Report STUDYFORM July 12, 2019 10:09 PM BST
I wonder if that was the whole story, or just a clever piece of journalism.
Things are seldom all they seem.
Report casemoney July 12, 2019 10:20 PM BST
I have a question for our Trans friendly Forum , would you leave your Kids with Large Bearded Men who wear wigs and dresses ?

Scoutmasters , Girl Guide leaders , Teachers ,Baby sitters (references Provided) Carers Etc , would anyone have any issues ?

By kids I am referring to under 14s .
Report portmanpark July 12, 2019 10:21 PM BST
denzil….I will give you credit you are consistent you hate everybody...……….You would like to go back to the days when everyone was straight and white...….there were no coloured people and gays were prosecuted...……….bet you would like to have those days back
Report akabula July 12, 2019 10:22 PM BST
I think not accepting this nonsense of self identifying makes you a bigot Denzil.
Much in the same way as people wanting controls on immigrants are labelled racist.
Report casemoney July 12, 2019 10:25 PM BST
Portman any issues with these people Overseeing your childrens young Years ?
Report UBLE/REGY July 12, 2019 10:26 PM BST
That stuff is already around Uble. Have you not heard of cute little theybies?  detraveller

I really do fear for us....still I will be gone before this stuff hits the fan
Report DenzilPenberthy July 12, 2019 10:28 PM BST
portmanpark you are making misguided assumptions about so many things here please post some examples to back up your abusive name calling.
Seeing as though you seem quite thick I'm giving you some help here's a dictionary definition for you,look at what you've done i.e calling me names leading with bigot

bigot

noun
noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots

    a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

Out of you and me who is the bigot here?

Also please stop posting racist language if you aren't too thick to know what it is.
Report DenzilPenberthy July 12, 2019 10:41 PM BST
portmanpark there is a thread on the Boxing Forum where you are indeed a bigot and you also sound extremely thick,there is no real need for me to bring this up but it's been sat there for nearly a month with hateful rhetoric from guess who?
Report casemoney July 12, 2019 10:51 PM BST
Shocked
Report DenzilPenberthy July 12, 2019 10:53 PM BST
So you've seen it case Laugh
Report casemoney July 12, 2019 10:55 PM BST
I have now , Disgraceful post , Lucky Tyson does not read the Other book  Portman could be in serious trouble for such a post .

Never the less totally unneeded on a public forum .
Report akabula July 12, 2019 11:13 PM BST
I've read it to. Kinda belittles his attacks on here.
As the bard wrote;
O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!
Report elisjohn July 13, 2019 6:54 AM BST
casemoney, no i wouldnt let my kids whatever age,
Report aaronh July 13, 2019 9:54 AM BST
Would you leave your kids with weirdos like casemoney?

e.g. Scoutmasters, girl guide leaders, teachers, babysitters, carers. Would anyone have issues with a strange person like this overseeing their kids (under 14s)?

might not be safe.
Report casemoney July 13, 2019 2:41 PM BST
So now we have forum members accusing unknown forum members of being a danger to children

Would you leave your kids with weirdos like casemoney?   might not be safe.


Absolutely disgusting post ..
Report aaronh July 13, 2019 2:47 PM BST
oh, is it offensive now to say that?
Report mouse muldoon July 13, 2019 2:48 PM BST
Would you leave your kids with weirdos like casemoney?

Can he juggle?
Report casemoney July 13, 2019 2:55 PM BST
Yes it is offensive ,very
Report aaronh July 13, 2019 2:57 PM BST
I see, why did you do it first then?
Report casemoney July 13, 2019 3:04 PM BST
Did I name any individual ?  I asked a simple question, so far any answers have been that people would not , not accusing other forum members of being a danger to children , If you read my post I did not suggest these bearded people dressed as women were a danger to children ...
Report casemoney July 13, 2019 3:08 PM BST
I myself would not consider such a person as a good role model for a child, perhaps you have children and think differently
perhaps you wear a dress and have a beard ,that's your business ,but you have no right to personally attack people on a Public Forum ,suggesting they are a danger to children .
Report aaronh July 13, 2019 3:08 PM BST
yes, "would you leave your kids..." question was nothing to do with safety CrazyCrazyCrazy, especially when it was with regards to those below a certain age.

that people's first mention when it comes to a trans person is the tall bearded guy who is supposedly self identifying as a woman, it is basically the reactionary strawman created by odd right wingers.
Report aaronh July 13, 2019 3:10 PM BST
there's no surprise that this doctor was supposedly asked about this specific scenario, because it is strong evidence that this question was never actually asked. after all, he and the Christian Legal Centre know the audience they are catering too.
Report casemoney July 13, 2019 3:14 PM BST
How could I know if a Trans person were any more danger than a so called straight person ? 

"would you leave your Kids with Large Bearded Men who wear wigs and dresses ?" was the Question

Not would you leave your children with a trans person , infact in many cases people would not be aware the person was trans

You quite obviously do not understand the question,as simple as it is ..

"Large Bearded Men who wear wigs and dresses"  its not hard is it ,or perhaps it is ?
Report mouse muldoon July 13, 2019 3:15 PM BST
Do the christian legal research bods know why god created intersex beings?
Report aaronh July 13, 2019 3:19 PM BST

Jul 13, 2019 -- 3:14PM, casemoney wrote:


How could I know if a Trans person were any more danger than a so called straight person ?  "would you leave your Kids with Large Bearded Men who wear wigs and dresses ?" was the Question Not would you leave your children with a trans person , infact in many cases people would not be aware the person was trans You quite obviously do not understand the question,as simple as it is .."Large Bearded Men who wear wigs and dresses"  its not hard is it ,or perhaps it is ?


everyone knows what they are doing when they present this description as the face of trans people.

(btw, from what I gather this doctor said on GMB he would not refer to even fully transitioned people by their preferred pronouns - further evidence that his hypothetical didn't happen)

Report aaronh July 13, 2019 3:20 PM BST

Jul 13, 2019 -- 3:15PM, mouse muldoon wrote:


Do the christian legal research bods know why god created intersex beings?


doesn't seem to be very much christian about them tbh

Report UBLE/REGY July 13, 2019 4:11 PM BST
Do the christian legal research bods know why god created intersex beings? mouse

He did not.

Some people, very few are born with genital malfunctions, hemaphrodites.

But once the persons sex has been established by observation, this can be surgically repaired to show the person's sexual identity


The problem is plastic surgeons can do so some very clever surgery to give someone's genitals the appearance of the opposite sex.

But have they have NOT changed the person's sex. There are many subtle differences both physical and psychologically, between

the sexes.

But there is a lot of money in this, so no chance of them admitting this. It is a person's right I suppose.


As even homophobes like me Blushhave accepted that being gay of either sex is part of human sexuality. People should be happy

with that.

It is now accepted(In the West anyway, some others areas are taking a while to catch up)


Just my own opinion, agree or disagree as people see fit
Report DenzilPenberthy July 13, 2019 4:18 PM BST
One problem we've got REGY is the amount of attention the LGBT types get and all the special allowances made for them this can be appealing to some people and is more common in schools than what you would imagine.
Report UBLE/REGY July 13, 2019 4:43 PM BST
Unfortunately I think you are right Denzil.

It must be a new fad, and children will be get getting a lot more attention, children like attention.

The problem is this could lead the children to making a life changing mistake...that is what concerns me.


I knew someone who had made such as a mistake as an adult, he wanted his wanger stitched beck on,

but I don't know if that is so easy? I am not in touch with him now...erm or her?
Report DenzilPenberthy July 13, 2019 4:47 PM BST
The problem is this could lead the children to making a life changing mistake...that is what concerns me.


I knew someone who had made such as a mistake as an adult, he wanted his wanger stitched beck on,


I agree with the top line and you've pointed out probably the worst case scenario on the bottom line scary stuff.
Report mouse muldoon July 13, 2019 4:55 PM BST
Did he win one of them Darwin awards?
Report casemoney July 13, 2019 5:20 PM BST
The re attachment of a schlonger is no go  , although strap ons are available
Report DenzilPenberthy July 13, 2019 5:55 PM BST
Could he be trusted to put it on the right way round?
Report conditor July 13, 2019 6:01 PM BST
Man walks on moon?
Report alun2005 October 3, 2019 10:09 AM BST
The good doctor loses his Tribunal hearing.

His 30 years of flawless service, and the thousands of years of globally acknowledged Biology, Science and Common Sense were clearly no match for the fetish of the hour.

Somewhere is the afterlife, George Orwell is thinking that this madness would have been too ludicrous for '1984'. 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-49904997

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https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-transgender-faith-beats-christianity-and-common-sense/
Report lybertyne October 3, 2019 11:54 AM BST
We are as we are born.  Boys are boys and girls are girls.  Cut your chap off, grow your hair long, put on a dress and change your name to Mandy but your chromosomes still read XY.  I'm sure many of us wish we'd been born into wealth or had better 'looks'.  Whatever your gender or status, you've already won life's lottery by being born in a Western society.  Enjoy that.
Report boxingthefox October 3, 2019 12:41 PM BST
Young person born a Girl but insists on being called He. Q; mum, why am I having a period? (his first) A; I'm fcked if I know son, better get you to a doctor.
Report Injera October 3, 2019 4:43 PM BST
But a panel ruled his biblical view of what it is to be male and female was "incompatible with human dignity." Crazy

The hearing was told he would refuse to refer to "any 6ft-tall bearded man" as "madam" following a conversation with a manager at an assessment centre and later left his role.

Dr Mackereth, 56, said he was "deeply concerned" by the ruling.

"Without intellectual and moral integrity, medicine cannot function and my 30 years as a doctor are now considered irrelevant compared to the risk that someone else might be offended," he said.



Andrea Williams, the chief executive of the Christian Legal Centre, said if the decision is upheld it will have "seismic consequences" for anyone in the workplace "who is prepared to believe and say that we are created male and female".

"It is deeply disturbing that this is the first time in the history of English law that a judge has ruled that free citizens must engage in compelled speech," she added.
Report alun2005 October 3, 2019 4:53 PM BST
Are there any other countries in the Western democratic world where several thousand years of Law, Science, Biology, Logic (etc) have been overturned on a whim, purely to suit the ludicrous agenda of the daft?

Has this nonsense been rolled out across the EU, or all American states yet?
Report saddo October 3, 2019 5:14 PM BST
"It is deeply disturbing that this is the first time in the history of English law that a judge has ruled that free citizens must engage in compelled speech," she added.




This is where we are going Laugh
Report boxingthefox October 3, 2019 5:33 PM BST
Love to see a situation where he/she/it/they et fckin cetra have a life or death situation and the only doctor available doesn't buy into shis sh1t, what happens then.
Report DenzilPenberthy October 3, 2019 5:48 PM BST
On top of everything else he's still been sacked on a hypothetical situation that hasn't even happened
Report UBLE/REGY October 3, 2019 7:59 PM BST
I play it safe now, I call all 6ft Bearded blokes madam...

I am recovering in hospital at the moment from the black eyes, broken nose and other injuries I seem to have sustained
Report DenzilPenberthy October 3, 2019 8:13 PM BST
Very good REGY
Report aaronh October 4, 2019 7:32 AM BST
Another reactionary loser gets bad advice from the Christian Legal Centre and gets whacked for it, pleasing scenes
Report UBLE/REGY October 4, 2019 9:37 AM BST
I doubt this man had a cause, if he works for someone he would be expected to conform to their rules and policies

If their policy was to address trans gender people using their choice of sex pro noun, then he has to conform to this

if they are paying him?

It is much the same if a Muslim applied for a job at a supermarket and said they would not handle bacon.

If their job did not involve bacon handling fine, but they would never be able to work on check outs say, because a

customer may be buying bacon. and their job would involve handling it.

If someone is paying us we are expected to follow their rules and conventions.
Report boxingthefox October 4, 2019 3:08 PM BST
37,583,962 Christians in the UK being 'BOSSED' by the tiniest of minorities. FFS
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