Dispatches Undercover Mosque-The Return-Real Stories

It's an eye opener getting a 'true' handle on the beliefs of such extremists,their ability to tell lies and feel no shame is quite remarkable.
Wonder what happened to the cast?

That would be an ecumenical matter!

Tea ? Father

DRINK

Arse

GIRLS

Candid documentary exploring the rise of extremist Wahhabism in UK mosques Denzil

I agree hardly appropriate for our society, it comes from Saudi Arabia, they execute gays.

Which should put the **** up half the posters on here


But this is confirming my view that we should have stayed out the Middle East and they should stay out of our societies.

But we have not, because our own governments want them here as cheap labour, and our own governments insist

on attacking the Middle East which drives them here.


I am sorry but we are to blame not them, just my own opinion


Disagree as you please

This is the kind of documentary everyone loves to watch.
And exactly the kind the authorities want you to watch.

I don't care how strongly Islam emphasizes my slaughter or rape of my fellow citizens. They can believe what they want. But there are people supposed to protect me and if they fail to protect me, blaming my slaughter on someone's belief is stupid. I cannot control what people believe.

When the Cologne New Year thing happened, I remember everyone mentioning an arab game(something to do with public rape or molestation of women? I can't recall the name). They can have any game they want in their religion. But when they come here and practice the game despite it being illegal, it is the law that has failed, not Islam that has succeeded. People still haven't understood the difference.

Islam does not make Europe's navy powerless against Libyan refugees does it? People landing in Kent on dinghies don't say islamic verses and magically appear there. Grooming gangs don't stay under the radar because they pray 5 times a day and believe that infidels will never enter paradise.

For every single issue today there is someone sitting in the government allowing it to happen, knowing fully well the public will never question him, because blaming Islam is too attractive and people will not be able to resist talking about it.

If the refugee crisis didn't teach you that, you'll never get it.

Don't think there's much there I can take serious issue with apart from the fact that every governmental failure is a victory for Islam .

I'll show you Wahabbism:

Documentary is 11 years old

Jul 8, 2019 -- 1:04AM, Reynard wrote:

Don't think there's much there I can take serious issue with apart from the fact that every governmental failure is a victory for Islam .

Exactly. The fact that you equate government failure to Islamic victory just shows how attractive it is for the govt to feed you the Islam angle.

The government's failure should just be that. The government's failure. You can do something about your government's failures, but you can hardly do anything about Islamic teachings. How many do you think have tried that in 1400 years?

Just think about what is easier to do.

Holding Yorkshire police accountable for 15 years of non-action?

Or convincing 1.5 billion people that their religion has some serious flaws when it comes to underage sex?

The documentary is 11 years old the one before is even older,the authorities knew what was happening,knew the level of extremist teaching and hate out there yet the likes of Anjem Choudary and the rest of the hate brigade were still allowed to carry on unchallenged.
This Wahhabism was in the National newspapers last year it hasn't gone away they've probably just learned to hide it better.

detraveller the religion has absolute disgusting rules not flaws regarding underage sex,I got these laws from a muslim website this is what the majority believe and these aren't the more extreme laws of Wahhabism.

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands (Quran 5:38).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (See Compulsion).
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A woman or girl who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• Testimonies of 4 male witnesses are required to prove rape of a female (Quran 24:13).
• A woman or girl who alleges rape without producing 4 male witnesses is guilty of adultery.
• A woman or girl found guilty of adultery is punishable by death (see "Islamophobia").
• A male convicted of rape can have his conviction dismissed by marrying his victim.
• Muslim men have sexual rights to any woman/girl not wearing the Hijab (see Taharrush).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Quran 4:34 and Religion of Peace).
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a wife needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Mathematics in Quran).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal."
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• Continue...

Yes Denzil.

Now point out which of these laws stopped Yorkshire police from taking action?

It's not about changing Islamic laws it's about OUR LAWS being carried out correctly and not thrown to one side when the perpetrators breaking them are Muslim.

Jul 8, 2019 -- 1:42AM, DenzilPenberthy wrote:

It's not about changing Islamic laws it's about OUR LAWS being carried out correctly and not thrown to one side when the perpetrators breaking them are Muslim.

EXACTLY.

it's about OUR LAWS being carried out correctly
And that has ZERO to do with what Islam teaches and everything to do with the people in charge of enforcing the laws.

That is my point.

Jul 8, 2019 -- 1:42AM, detraveller wrote:

Yes Denzil.Now point out which of these laws stopped Yorkshire police from taking action?

The police were under instruction from above not to take action,when you get time watch some of the links higher up starting with the one I posted last night then move on to the ones Injera posted.

Think we're on the same page just saying differently.

Those links are on the Tommy thread my mistake.

This is what the likes of TR have been saying and bringing up for years people have been able to show evidence so the government needs to silence such people.

I watched that video as well as the ones Injera posted. it was actually the first time I saw something related to grooming gangs. Till today i've ignored that, knowing fully well that its not these people that are powerful, but the ones trying to protect them, and those aren't muslim. Unless you are telling me Yorkshire police chief gets his orders from someone who is a muslim, i doubt that.

This is why I lost hope after the refugee crisis. We were literally importing people on boats from Libya and people were on about how Koran tells the muslims to breed non stop. Like I said above, it isn't Islam that is making all this happen. It is your own govt.

I'd say the government is ALLOWING it to happen Islam is very clear on how to treat non muslim white women.
As it goes the Saudis who've been funding mosques over here with these extreme teachings have been at it in your country too.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/31/sensitive-uk-terror-funding-inquiry-findings-may-never-be-published-saudi-arabia


It is no secret that Saudi Arabia in particular provides funding to hundreds of mosques in the UK, espousing a very hardline Wahhabist interpretation of Islam. It is often in these institutions that British extremism takes root.”

The contents of the report may prove politically as well as legally sensitive. Saudi Arabia, which has been a funding source for fundamentalist Islamist preachers and mosques, was visited by May earlier this year.

Last December, a leaked report from Germany’s federal intelligence service accused several Gulf groups of funding religious schools and radical Salafist preachers in mosques, calling it “a long-term strategy of influence”.

detraveller • July 8, 2019 1:49 AM BST

I watched that video as well as the ones Injera posted. it was actually the first time I saw something related to grooming gangs. Till today i've ignored that, knowing fully well that its not these people that are powerful, but the ones trying to protect them, and those aren't muslim. Unless you are telling me Yorkshire police chief gets his orders from someone who is a muslim, i doubt that.

Nobody has ever said that were being protected BY muslims everyone has always said they were protected because they WERE muslims.

I am not objecting to anything you are saying.

All I am saying is that the solution lies NOT in pointing out how bad Islam is but in asking the people responsible to protect us from them, why they aren't doing their job. This does not happen. And that is why I keep saying, people aren't even complaining about the right things.

Saudia funding mosques in UK is nothing new. What do you expect them to do? Accept Christianity and become a british colony? Of course they will try to gain influence whatever way they can. You can easily stop them, but we know that doens't happen because of the billions at stake in the weapons business. If I remember correctly UK has 5+ billions worth of weapons deals with KSA?

Yes you're right I was going to go off on another tangent about the weapons trade absolutely huge business.

I've gone down this route with lfc and moisok. I would come home from a day's work listening to refugees telling me how the govt is literally providing security and great travel arrangements to refugees until they arrive in Germany.

Then i'd come home and read how there were verses of koran that were responsible for the muslim influx.

Total bollox. We've been wrecked by our own. And we still haven't started asking questions. We even chose Merkel again.

Goodnight.

People are complaining about the police not doing their jobs but the problem is the people that do the complaining and have all the evidence to back it up are always labelled racists etc. and you end up with people siding with muslim paedophiles because they don't like the person highlighting the issues.

I understand the point about the refufugee crisis I in fact blame Hilary Clinton from as far back as 2003 (I think) maybe one for another day.
Goodnight.

Probably overplaying her vote effect on the WMD in Iraq you never know much written about that woman is true same as the rest but had read in the past it put Bush in a strong position to go to war and open up the Iraqi borders for starters.
Doubt anything would've stopped it in hindsight especially not that to55piece Blair.

detraveller    08 Jul 19 02:04 
I am not objecting to anything you are saying.

All I am saying is that the solution lies NOT in pointing out how bad Islam is but in asking the people responsible to protect us from them.
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No one in power is allowed to agree that Islam is bad, how then can they be seen to protect us from a mere 'phobia'?

Basically , we have been invaded by people from whom we need protecting . Not much I can add to that , says it all really