So... Is the moon a disc or a ball?

I would have said there was no  difference, that's is without looking it up.

Am I going to get my link or not?

https://qz.com/192700/the-guy-who-created-iphones-earth-image-explains-why-h...

A sphere is football shape

And the earth was round in its first lying stage

Now its a tilted sphere?

tilted versus what?

Agree, that's a visualization not a real image.

let me try another one

Its a sphere tilted on its axis spinning at 1000mph apparently

Or has that changed in the past few years?

https://i.imgur.com/o1e9atI.jpg

What about this one?

Well where all the land? there's a bit of land but then the rest is sky and ocean?

Did they photoshop them out or something?

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Sontaran - when did it stop being a "ball"?

Jun 21, 2019 -- 4:39PM, Make my hay wrote:

https://qz.com/192700/the-guy-who-created-iphones-earth-image-explains-why-h...

So you believe that this image was a visualization created by NASA?

blackbarn

Some guru a couple of years back said it might not be "fully round", it was more of a soccer ball shape

The lies have caught up with them

Detraveller

Where's the land in that last one you posted?

Was it photoshopped?

Sontaran - here is what you said.............

"Its their original lie? getting people to believe in a ball, they've of course changed the shape a little bit haven't they, its a sphere now which should have been a red flag in itself, how can they say its a ball for decades and then claim its a different shape altogether? despite claiming to have been up there multiple times?"

Jun 21, 2019 -- 4:50PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:

Detraveller Where's the land in that last one you posted?Was it photoshopped?

Yes it was partly photoshopped. But the land could be behind the clouds.

Jun 21, 2019 -- 4:52PM, blackbarn wrote:

Sontaran - here is what you said............."Its their original lie? getting people to believe in a ball, they've of course changed the shape a little bit haven't they, its a sphere now which should have been a red flag in itself, how can they say its a ball for decades and then claim its a different shape altogether? despite claiming to have been up there multiple times?"

I will bet my left nut he won't be able to tell you when it changed from being a ball to a sphere. When he says 'some guru' that's a hint.

Your last  image of Earth was taken by Himawari-8, the Japanese weather satellite which proves it's not a photo as satellites cannot take whole photos of the earth.

Make My Hay, do you believe that the blue marble was a visualization created by nasa in 2002?

Yes? they've said its not perfectly round, more of a soccer ball shape?

The fact still remains its neither of these shapes

Its flat, with a dome/ceiling, and the moon is a disc, and the sun is only a few miles above us

What is the mass and surface temperature of the sun?

Brian Cox knows

Jun 21, 2019 -- 4:56PM, detraveller wrote:

Make My Hay, do you believe that the blue marble was a visualization created by nasa in 2002?

?

There's no way the sun is millions of miles away, make a big big fire on the lawn and move further down the yard? you feel the heat a little, but move across the street and its no longer felt

The sun is millions of miles away? how stupid do they think I am ?

Sontaran's theory implies it may only have enough fuel to burn for a few hundred more years.

You will notice that the moment you ask Sontoran something he immediately switches to a different part of the argument.

still waiting for make my hay's answer.

Make My Hay, do you believe that the blue marble was a visualization created by nasa in 2002?

the blue marble 2002 was made by joining lots of photos from a satellite together into a ball shape, yes by Nasa.

Jun 21, 2019 -- 5:06PM, Make my hay wrote:

Make My Hay, do you believe that the blue marble was a visualization created by nasa in 2002?the blue marble 2002 was made by joining lots of photos from a satellite together into a ball shape, yes by Nasa.

How can you believe that?

I used to have a big blue 50er.

worth 5 swirlies

Jun 21, 2019 -- 5:06PM, Make my hay wrote:

Make My Hay, do you believe that the blue marble was a visualization created by nasa in 2002?the blue marble 2002 was made by joining lots of photos from a satellite together into a ball shape, yes by Nasa.

or is this a joke?

I think Nasa claims that the last photo they took of the earth was in 1972 on an Apollo mission

You didn't ask anything

Mouse asked what the mass and surface temp is

And that's just made up in my opinion, the fact is there's no way it can be that far away and still look bigger than the moon which is only supposedly 200,000 miles away? how is that possible?

mars is like 30 million miles away, the sun is 90 million miles away, yet mars is a spec of dust on the lense? bare in mind the sun can absorb the earth like 1,000,000 times? but 200,000 miles away vs 90 million miles away and they both look the same size?

Something doesn't add up

Ok. Fair enough.

Did you know that NASA created this visualization with the help of data obtained from a satellite that orbited from pole to pole with the earth rotating beneath it?

Are you telling me the earth is round? How can you even believe that?

I shall find out more for you tomorrow, time for bed.

Jun 21, 2019 -- 5:11PM, Make my hay wrote:

I shall find out more for you tomorrow, time for bed.

before you go to bed, just tell me this. Why would you believe its a visualization when the visualization was formed using a round earth?

Do you believe the earth is round?

Seriously guys, how stupid are you? You claim an image is a visualization from NASA when the whole visualization was created on the assumption that the earth is round.

How did they weigh the sun is another thing? its 333,000 times heavier than the Earth?

they've never supposedly been past the moon, how do they know what its made off?, any probe would be burned to dust in 1000th of a second if it got anywhere near it?

They didn't send up some scales did they? like really big scales and weigh us both?

Yes, the scales are called Libra.

Lie-bra to those of us who know better.

I have to admit, terry is way better than SS. I miss him already.

Did you know that NASA created this visualization with the help of data obtained from a satellite that orbited from pole to pole with the earth rotating beneath it?

well that's what they tell us, but why don't they take any real photos or videos of the whole of the earth? Should be thousands. Seem very suspicious.

Why would you believe its a visualization when the visualization was formed using a round earth?

Because Nasas Mr. Blue Marble - Robert Simmon has explained how he does it by pasteing the satellite photos strips around a photoshop ball.

So now you know the images of the earth that you see in Google search are not photos. You have learned something today. Good night.

The satellite photos prove the earth is round, from the very source you game me.

How?

The fact that Columbus didn't find China proves otherwise.

Jun 21, 2019 -- 5:41PM, Make my hay wrote:

How?

You claim it was a NASA visualization. NASA made that visualization using imagery taken from a round earth. If you believe the earth is flat then why do you believe the visualization story?

but how do you know it was taken from a round earth? I don't know what shape the earth is I've never been in space to look at it but you are claiming it is round because of the satellite photos. How do you know satellites even exist? Those photos could have been taken by high altitude aircraft.
Must go to bed now.

I know it from the link you yourself gave me.
You can't use a part of the story that suits you and ignore a part of the story that doesn't suit you.
If one says its an image of a round earth you say no its a visualization by nasa but you conveniently ignore the fact that nasa couldn't have made that visualization if the earth wasn't round.

Basically you are claiming earth isn't round and the evidence you provide wouldln't have existed if the earth wasn't round.
Understand the problem here?

fact that nasa couldn't have made that visualization if the earth wasn't round.

but why not  photos could have been taken by high altitude aircraft.

Basically you are claiming earth isn't round

When did I say that

You say NASA is trying to hide something by not providing any real photo of the earth. I assume from that that you have an issue with the shape of the earth?

No I said are Nasa  trying to hide something by not providing any real photo of the earth. That's  what I want to know - why don't they take any photos?

I see. I don't know.

Why are there no real photos of the earth?

Make you wonder doesn't it.

Perhaps they cannot get above a certain altitude. Watch any space rocket launch, within seconds the rocket is going horizontal. They're supposed to go up into space.

What was NASA's budget again? A horrific amount of tax payers' blood, sweat, tears and time and effort to make someone very wealthy with a massive con trick.

Never A Straight Answer

Exactly drink, maybe Nasa knew that they couldn't get a rocket to go out of earth's lower orbit in the 50's but knew that convincing the public to think otherwise would enable them to hop on board the gravy train for life.
Those space rocket launches do look like they start to arch back round, who's to say they don't all end up in the middle of an ocean somewhere all ready to be secretly whisked off back to Nasa H.Q.

NASA's budget for 2019 is $21.5 billion or to put it another way 21,000 million. I wonder what all the taxpayers will get for their hard earned money this year? Maybe some nice CGI pictures of other planets with a rover car on or perhaps some exciting news about a new sun that's been discovered 500 light years away, just any old cr@p  to feed the public's space addiction and keep them happy for another year.
Nevermind if the National debt of the United States is over  $22,000,000,000,000.

If the earth was flat, you'd be able to see New York City 500 miles out in the Atlantic ocean.

I just googled this again and there were two photos of full earth taken, one in 2004 by the Japanese and one in 2015 by NASA. Are those fake?

I'll believe it when Muslim countries start exploring space

Why is it not mentioned in the quran?

Bless em they're adapting their doctrine to modern life.
detraveller you'd make a good muslim scholar based on my research from Islamic attitudes towards science and your participation in these threads:

"The Qur'an draws attention to the danger of conjecturing without evidence (And follow not that of which you have not the (certain) knowledge of... 17:36) and in several different verses asks Muslims to require proofs (Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful 2:111), both in matters of theological belief and in natural science."

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Worth bearing in mind that what they pertain to be certain knowledge is in fact certain made up fiction nevermind.

I was wondering why there was still no muslamic angle 4 pages in.

so i'm a muslim if I ask people to show evidence for their claims?

I'll pick a new thread later and bomb it with some musthink on the very first reply just to show how it should be done.

'danger of conjecturing without evidence (And follow not that of which you have not the (certain) knowledge of'

'Muslims to require proofs (Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful 2:111)'

detraveller you are always asking for proofs of truths on these threads in fact you are quite insistent when terry is involved.

Jun 22, 2019 -- 4:43AM, detraveller wrote:

so i'm a muslim if I ask people to show evidence for their claims?

No I'd never stoop so low as to call anyone that but you would make a good Islamic scholar with your persistence on such matters.

I only insist like an idiot when someone says it says so in a particular book but when I ask for the page number they dont know. Or when they claim a person said so and so but when I ask when they said that they don't know. Most of the time its terry making such claims.

Life can be frustrating at times I've still never had it explained how Jesus fed 5000 people with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes,some bibles list this on page 74 another I had was on page 846 and neither explained properly how this was done yet millions still believe.

Anyhow I'm going to pray for a winner today then off to bed,going to give Allah a try as God hasn't been much kop lately.

4,998 of them were cardboard cutouts.

And guess who placed them there?

FYI God & Allah, same thing.

thats actually true lol

FYI God & Allah, same thing.

Not proven.

still the same unproven entity tho

whats there to prove mouse?

God & Allah. My own theory is it's the same bloke with 2 heads.

no its literally the same bloke that both parties believe in.

The debate is keeping me awake,God and Allah are different at least their afterlife terms are,70 virgins versus Pearly gates and beardy blokes I'm with the peace lovers on this one.

He must be loaded.

Virgin women I believe.

The afterlife terms were set centuries apart so nothing wrong with having different terms for different people

Olive oil

Jun 22, 2019 -- 5:07AM, detraveller wrote:

The afterlife terms were set centuries apart so nothing wrong with having different terms for different people

Do you think gay men would prefer virgin men in their heaven?

probably yes

Olive oil would be handy for the gay men.

No, too tight.

A lot of them are happiest with a nice cup of tea.

Especially the vicars.

How did we get onto religion?

God works in mysterious ways.