No deal Brexit

The term NO DEAL is just another scaremongering tactic used by remainers. There’s no such thing as NO DEAL, the UK would just revert to WTO rules like loads of other countries.

You mean like the zero other countries trading exclusively on WTO rules?

The idea that no deal is the fault of remain is laughable. The reason we're left with no deal is because leave was an undefined utopia and no deal is the last thing they can cling to because it's not currently defined. Any soft Brexit = "remain in disguise". Stuff like May's deal even a lot of Brexiteers really is worse than remain, because surprise, surprise the fantasy sold during the referendum never existed. No deal is the last thing that's not defined to cling to, then if it happened 90% of these people currently wanting it would say they never wanted it and go in on the government for doing it.

Also even attempting to trade exclusively on WTO rules is a disaster waiting to happen. Either you have huge shortages or you slash tariffs to cause a massive flood of imports sending British business bust as they can't compete.

And that's without even getting into the utter neglect of Northern Ireland and shape you'd leave them in under such terms.

Pro Remain have done Zilch ,Had they accepted the Vote and worked to get the Best possible exit for Remainers we may not be at this Point , Pro Brexit not done a lot more except stand in the Background while May's disaster was going on ..

Norn could have been sorted we have had 3 years FFS , 3 years of Seething and on the Other side t0ssers scared to move the process forward, or be held responsible for doing so.

No deal doesn't mean Never deal. It will focus the minds of both sides.

walofs - leavers were told about the consequences of leaving including the tremendous complexities of unwinding 40 years of law and global agreements.   Were told that they couldn't expect to be treated as a member after leaving.

And they still refuse to accept that they are responsible for damaging the country.

It's never our fault preach the people who constantly vote for people preaching about personal responsibility and all that

The remain side have been colluding with the EU from the start try to keep us from leaving.

Didn't Blair brag there were ways and means of avoiding Brexit, didn't Starmer visit the EU to talk about Brexit when he is a firm remainer? 
There have been a stream of other firm remainers visiting the EU with one intention, which was to reassure the EU that keeping us in the EU was possible, and that would be achieved by offering the UK a poor deal.

It was said from the beginning that if the EU offered us a lousy deal we would not leave on poor terms.
So the EU have done exactly that. Which is the EU's job done and the first part of the plan in place.

Now it's the job of the remainers to keep opposing a no-deal Brexit until a referendum is called.
Which is the second part of the plan to keep the UK in the EU.

Liam Fox warns WTO is 'in crisis' as businesses told to brace for no-deal Brexit

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/06/14/liam-fox-warns-wto-crisis-businesses-told-brace-no-deal-brexit/


The US-China trade war, industrial strife and political deadlock all threaten to overwhelm the World Trade Organization, putting the future of the institution and the system of free trade in mortal danger, Liam Fox has warned.

World leaders need to “seize the opportunity” to resolve the crisis, opening up trade rapidly to boost economic growth and spread prosperity, the International Trade Secretary said.

He criticised the G20 for failing to address the “scale [and] urgency of the challenges facing the global trading system” and warned “the WTO could be facing an existential crisis”.

“The WTO now faces one of the biggest tests since its establishment and, with all its functions under strain,...


Remember, this is the same guy who claimed that a post referendum deal "would be the easiest deal in history" ......

Fox hadn't reckoned with most of Parliament fighting against Brexit and an inept PM.
 
It should have been an easy deal. With no deal on the table and a commitment to leave without paying over a penny, we might have got somewhere.
Now we'll have to leave before meaningful negotiations can take place.

Which is a telling demonstration of his lack of foresight

He did his job at the time, the same as the remain side did their job.

Where was any foresight coming from the remain side, when they told us about the economy going down the pan from day one after the ref?

At least It would be interesting to see what a no deal exit would mean for the German/French/Italian Car Inustries.

Getting to the Germans, tickling them with a feather, is kind of a good reason to shoot oneself into both feet.

agreed

SHOCK!!!

i'm trying to work out whether you two are granddad and grandson or just good friends

All I've heard is No Deal is better than a bad deal and No Deal is no problem.


You should be thanking us.

i can't speak for anyone else; but my issue has always been the media push against it, that got me interested as to why. So pineapple is correct in a roundabout sort of way

Jun 15, 2019 -- 1:07PM, Baphornet wrote:

i'm trying to work out whether you two are granddad and grandson or just good friends

I realize my eternal wisdom makes me appear elderly and knowledgeable far beyond my years, but I ain't all that old, dad.

Of course, what was conveniently overlooked when May was telling us that "no deal is better than a bad deal" is that no deal is itself a bad deal.
So thanks Theresa, for sagely pointing out that "a bad deal is better than a bad deal", rivals her Brexit Means Brexit slogan for absuridity.

you're a damn site older than me & that's a fact, granddad

Which indications, other than my fantastic knowledge of everything, mild manners and eloquence, makes you think I'm old?

your arrogance (as above) but you don't do sarcasm, do you detective sarcasm edy?

& of course old-timers reminisce a lot. Just like you did when trawling back 10 years to try & out a fellow forum member. Sad eh

Strangely I've encountered you as someone who is always rather convinced of his own opinion, no matter how rubbish, as well. It can be a sign of youth. Bit rude to assign arrogance to old people anyway I gotta say.

Baphornet • June 15, 2019 1:40 PM BST
& of course old-timers reminisce a lot. Just like you did when trawling back 10 years to try & out a fellow forum member. Sad eh

Everybody with a bit of sense who was familiar with casemoney already knew his other forum name. I mean, his posting style is the most blatantly obvious stuff on the entire forum. There was no outing to be done.

and btw., if you hadn't entered the conversation saying I was talking out of my arse even though I was obviously right...I wouldn't have made another post in that thread.

you can tell that edy isn't as old as we all first thought with that stellar memory of his

I take memos.

OP - laughable post, it's always someone else's fault isn't it? Why is it they can't get us out? It's because even with 52% all the Bullsh1teers can do is shout, they are all p1ss & wind. (Of course I'm a 48% but I'm irrelevant. So off you trot & sort it out, stop blaming others).

amen

ahole - detective edy,  ahole.  Retolin ran out?

btw DS edy; it doesn't matter how many 'knew' about what you say is true, you still did it,  & told those who didn't. Sad eh

No, not sad.

Bap - Call him some more names or accuse him of being on medication - that'll show him that you are always right.

Oh dear poor Fooks seems in a furious state

He's been furious at me&Aaron since we dared to correct him on a little detail regarding seeding procedures at tennis tournaments two weeks or so ago.

Been stalking me since.

Baphornet that is.

Weeks been wasted now ,voting a Tory leader in ,How long will that take must get us near to the shutdown for summer .

And Fooks if you read a later post by me I have blamed the rsoles that are mean't to be running the show ,the whole thing is a shambles .

Then we had the Luvvies branding Brexit voters Racist , I should like to ask them one question if someone knocks on your door do you sling it wide open and let them storm in , or do you verify who they are ??

Nothing wrong with controlled immigration that is employed  by many countries worldwide ,Brits calling for it are branded Nazis .

Still we’ve got India v Pakistan tomorrow should be a full house, think of all the tourism.

And then they want to be in bed with the likes of Austria Hungary Poland Croatia Italy the list goes on

You cannot make it up tbh.

TONG hadn't read your later post but agree the whole thing is a shambles (and imo Corbyn should be made to state a position other than reworking vague stances for which the only justifications appear to be to manoeuvre the country into a G.E.)

Lets hope there is suitable security in place Con ,they hate each other ,but of course that's ok

You could not make the whole lot of it up Lee, and for the record I would have been fine with a soft Brexit , not having to abide by silly rules ,and a bit of regulation on who and the numbers of people coming into the UK that is overstretched as it is ,add to that perhaps saving a bit of money .

But we are where we are ,wherever that is

They sure do ,was it 1952 some wise arse decided to split a country, anyone see what’s going on here ?

Sorry my mistake 1947