23rd May - Who you voting for?

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Brexit Party

2nd referendum

Brexit storm it

Buffoon Batten's Barmy Army

The Brexit Party.
Was tempted by Labour when I saw their manifesto spoke of free mouse traps for all.

The West Country's the place to be.

We've got not just the nicest weather and the most beautiful landscapes, but also the most entertaining list of candidates. Lord Adonis will be trading blows with Sargon of Akkad, while Ann Widdecombe grapples Boris Johnson's sister; and Larch Maxey of the Ecological Land Cooperative is presumably looking for votes from the tree community. Could split the Green Party vote, with the latter represented by a candidate registered as 'Molly' Scott Cato, which is presumably someone's dog.

There are also, I suppose, Conservative and Lib Dem candidates. But who cares about them?

Brexit Party

Some people (remainers) want a 2nd referendum.  Totting up the votes for pro-Brexit and anti-Brexit parties might give a rough idea of how a referendum would go.  I have an inkling it would be much more in favour of Brexit than the original referendum.

Brexit Party

May 22, 2019 -- 6:45PM, lybertyne wrote:

Some people (remainers) want a 2nd referendum.

^No evidence for this and that's on basic remain vs leave votes too which another referendum will never be. Leave will have to actually stand for something if another referendum takes place otherwise it serves no purpose.

nigel farrage, ive lost my voting card, best politican of the 21st century

Make sure you all use pens

Thought we already knew that leave would win like 80-20 because of GE17

Aprotest vote for a here today gone tomorrow party,todays their day though and I hope they kick some a$$. Me,im not voting,from day one (well nearly) I said we would never be allowed to leave, I would love to be wrong and we leave with a hard Brexit and the sod the bloody EU

a vote for brexit or ukip is vote to leave

any otters is remain

hth

BREXIT PARTY - THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE....SUMMER IS COMING

Brexit for me and Brexit for Mrs Twizzle

Brexit for me and Brexit for Mrs H (if I can drag her to the polling station)

Brexit .

Better make sure I get my 4 votes in based on this thread to tip the balance.

Some people (remainers) want a 2nd referendum.  Totting up the votes for pro-Brexit and anti-Brexit parties might give a rough idea of how a referendum would

This was done earlier in the week (poll of polls) and leaving out Con and labour and adding Farage's Folly with UKIP against the remain parties gives something like 36-37.5% to the remain parties, in other words, just like the ref a very close result. Either way, the results of this election should have as much bearing as the LIbdems success did in the local elections - i.e it means feck all, unless maybe one side gets 60% which won't happen.

Bearing on Brexit that is true. And you'd be right to say most people are voting for that reason. But in reality you should be voting the best people to represent you in the European parliament, you can't moan about having a lack of say if you then vote for people you know won't turn up.

The LibDem successes in the local elections do mean something if you've found yourself lumbered with them. The next time some chancer from the Smoke wants to plaster 100 acres of Somerset with solar panels, it'll get nodded through.

I'll say one thing, after donating yesterday to a political party for the first time ever: having spent a pony registering as a Brexit Party supporter, I'm motivated to walk to the polling station today in a way I never felt in all the years I voted Labour pre-Corbyn.

I should imagine the majority of people voting for Brexit are presuming that the referendum decision will be implemented as per the pledges of our elected leaders.

At which point they've made a bad vote. Either Brexit happens and the vote doesn't matter or it does and you've elected people who won't turn up and represent you and these same types will then moan about a lack of influence in the EU.

Of course this would involve seeing the need for a plan B, and it seems most Brexiteers don't have a plan A.

I would definitely recommend using a marker pen on the ballot paper when you cast your vote, whoever you vote for.

Miscreants could still of course 'spoil' you ballot paper, but it is at least a small security measure which would make it difficult for persons to alter your vote to that of another party.

Remember, there are constituencies in this country which have had problems in recent years with electoral fraud, so always try your best to circumvent this where you can.


There is of course one political party (in particular their Leader) which actually goes into this election with the recent endorsement of an Islamist Fundamentalist group. It beggars belief, but that party's leader has done nothing of substance to disassociate or distance him and his party from this group.


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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hamas-thanks-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-message-rally-pro-palestinian-a8917691.html

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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/militant-group-salutes-jeremy-corbyn-for-support-of-palestinians-a4144411.html

dont forget to write down the number off the back of the ballot so you can check your vote against spoilt ballots

ive lost my voting card

You don't need your card to vote.

Just turn up at your voting station and give them your name and address.

wise to take id, in case somebody has voted in your name, or ballot paper
incorrectly allocated on register

4/1 Lib Dem.  1/4 I'll be wasting my time

should say 1/4 I won't waste my time.  4/1 waste my time voting Lib Dem

I'm sure many voting Brexit party never voted UKIP or even considered it but like millions up and down the country are utterly sickened by our "normal" politicians, and most of them seem just too d*mned stupid and arrogant to understand why.

We had the vote,we had the result,so why are you voting again? Its monumental b0llocks!

This is an election, not a 2nd referendum, terry.

Sorry thought it something to do the European Parliament,of which we no longer belong to,my mistake.

We are still a part of the EU and European parliament so yes your mistake.

It's ok, terry, just stop being such a traitor quisling that tries to discourage people from voting for The Brexit Party today.

^^^
Ahh .. Trying to have a logical conversation using facts with someone who doesn't "do" either. I'll get the popcorn

Im pretty certain the result said we were OUT,so what the hell has the Euro Parliament still got to do with the UK? O I know its all because its never going to happen,check out anytime you like etc

Yes, and today everybody who truly believes in Brexit needs to get off his arse and vote for The Brexit Party to send a strong signal to T-H-E E-L-I-T-E-S.

Your latest post just expresses why today's European Parliament election is more important than any other election in the history of the United Kingdom.

but don't forget to bring a pen that can't be erased!

Agreed on that point of course,but im in two minds what to do,not to vote because they are all crims,or vote and stick up to fingers to the eu--gee its a tuff one.

C'mon, that's an easy choice. Stick it up the butt of the E-L-I-T-E-S and the EU by getting out and casting your vote for the only party that doesn't contain any criminals and works for the little man -> The Brexit Party.

Two fingers it is then Edy,plus the fact the polling station is only 50 yards away

I forgot about the pen thing, I don't normally use one but I just dug out a working black pen.

It makes me wonder, given the vote is today and the result isn't until sunday I believe so are counted at a leisurely pace, the scope for a little bit of sly "vote doctoring" by people with access over a period of days (.. and nights) is surely far far higher than any normal election?

Now hold on this is not the USA

I'm wearing my extra secure underwear today so, when I vote anyway, there won't be any hanging chads.

Yes, and today everybody who truly believes in Brexit needs to get off his arse and vote for The Brexit Party to send a strong signal to T-H-E E-L-I-T-E-S.


So if no strong message is sent - say 'Brexit' polls around 40% of a very low turnout (again less than 40%) then the opposite message that you wish to be has been sent surely? It doesn't matter the amount of seats they get but the amount of votes they get - it doesn't really matter (for your purposes) how many 'the others' get as brexiters are the only ones that give a feck about these elections - which has a certain degree of irony!
And btw the 'pen' thing is fecking hilarious - please keep this comedy stream going as it was a great laugh in 2016!

Thanks for spelling it out loud and clear, spyker: the EU supporters don't "give a feck" about elections.

If pens are allowed, why do all ballot boxes have pencils? Does using a pen spoil a vote? Have already voted anyway with the ballot box pencil.

No, using a pen doesn't spoil your vote. Earlier today, the electoral commissioy has specifically made that clear for the paranoid victim conspiracy nutjobs.

labour for me, our time has come comrades

Truly is farcical that 3 years on we're still electing UK MEPs.

I should think May has had at least 10 reasons to quit, this probably being number 11.

Have just tipped my metaphorical milkshake over the heads of Chuka, Vince, Treesa and Sourberry.
I've left Jezza out of it because he doesn't know which way to turn, poor thing but has at least opposed MV 1,2 and 3.

Thanks for spelling it out loud and clear, spyker: the EU supporters don't "give a feck" about elections.


Yes because firstly that is exactly what i said isn't it and secondly, it seems I am now the official spokesperson for all remainers? Jeez - were you lot this dumb and easily led all your lives or has it got worse throughout your 50's and now into your 60's and 70's it's got to uncontrollable, though deliberate, stupidness and blindness?
The country is in the state it is not because of the E.U or  brexit but because the baby boomer generation are the most useless and selfish/self-serving generation that has existed in Britain. You have basically had a free ride all your lives and made damn sure nobody else shares in that ride - job security for life, housing security for life, free education (esp further) and health and security/prosperity. You had all these  throughout your lives and have done evreyhting to make sure future generations haven't. Well done you have succeeded in something!

Voted for the Brexit Party, no time for any of the others.

job security for life, housing security for life, free education (esp further) and health and security/prosperity

I had two jobs at the end of the 1980s, translating patents and medical texts, the first paid £8500 pa, the second £6500 pa. Gave up and went punting on the racecourse instead, because otherwise I'd have been renting for life on those wages. The eighties property boom was brutal for those of us without rich parents or a desire for insane mortgages. Haven't had any employment or claimed any benefits since.

I wish my house, and everybody's houses, were worth a quarter of what they currently are, so I could move somewhere nicer. But while the younger generation are willing to borrow and pay as much as they possibly can for property, and have that facilitated for them by money-printing and zero per cent interest rates, I haven't got a hope.

I was the only person in my family, in fact on my whole estate, ever to go on to higher education. That was the reason university education was free back then: hardly any of my generation were allowed into it. And those of us who were granted access were restricted to the hard subjects, such as maths, physics and modern languages. If you graduated in 1983, as I did, you entered a brutal recession, with an unemployment rate of 12%. It took me two years to find work after graduating, and that was with a 2:1 in modern languages and experience of working abroad.

Now you have an unemployment rate of 3.8%.

Yet you're still seething, and feel helpless about it. Whatever the reason, it's not down to lack of opportunities or domestic policies.

Facts speaking **** as per usual.

WP

Tell me what Farage has contributed to this country !

AND when you got home from work your dad cut you into bits and fed you cold gravel!
LUXURY!

In many ways house prices are the root of many problems? They are stupidly high and if they were at a normal level then all the first time buyers complaining they can't get on the ladder would be an awful lot happier and a huge amount of hard-done-by-ness and inter-generational grief would just evaporate. Of course laws of supply and demand + massive uncontrolled immigration is obviously a large factor in that in immigration hotspots, despite protestations and idiotic denial from the usual suspects. That bitter beak faced Labour woman on Question Time flat denying there can be any link between the two .. still can't get over that.

And pointing such a simple fact out of course, ..... drum roll ...., will lead to accusations from the SJWs that you are a racist/fascist/xenophobe/hitler reincarnated.

Whippin Piccadilly • May 23, 2019 4:52 PM BST
Facts speaking **** as per usual.
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Whipping may be a chit chat lurker, but he's got "Facts" number % nailed on ;) Has there ever been a more inaccurate internet user name?

The vast majority of people on zero-hours contracts don't actually want or need more work. They do it because it suits them.

Newer figures are available from the ONS covering the period from April to June 2018. They show that 72% of people on a zero hours contract expressing a preference said they didn’t want more hours, or 63% of everyone on the contracts (including the unknowns).

The average person on a zero hours contract in mid-2018 usually worked about 25 hours per week, compared to an average of 36 hours for everyone in employment.

https://fullfact.org/economy/how-many-people-zero-hours-contracts-want-more-hours/

Re immigration and house prices: for someone to complain about high house prices at the same time as promoting membership of the EU is confusing, to say the least. Even in the year to Sept. 2018, official net immigration from the EU was 57,000. In the previous year the figure was 192,000! That's a quarter of a million extra people to be housed (and cared for and educated) in two years. That's a city the size of Wolverhampton.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/eu-migration-and-uk/

I don't notice a second Wolverhampton being built in the last couple of years (and nor should it be).

Junker. "British "stupid nationalists" who "love their country but hate the EU".
And people want to stay in with this shower of sh1te?

if somebody works 25 hours why not give em a 25 hour contract.

do folk on zero hours contracts understand what the difference is?

i'm sure the employers know the difference between giving them zero hours and 25 hour contracts.


full fact is a tory website, isnt it?

No idea. I googled the stats, and it was the site which gave them most clearly and with full reference to the sources.

The trouble with giving people 25-hour contracts is that you have to be 100% sure you can find 25 hours' worth of work for them to do every single week without fail.

If you're running a business where orders and work fluctuates depending on factors outside your control, then zero-hours contracts allow you to take on business which you would otherwise have to turn down, or win business which you otherwise wouldn't owing to the cost of employing workers to do it on long-term contracts.

Basically, you can supply people with work which otherwise wouldn't exist.

On the other hand, you can indeed try to employ people on zero-hour contracts which are basically full-time ones without the benefits. But in an economy with a 3.8% unemployment rate, you're not going to be able to hold on to them for very long.

i can understand why some folk want zero hours, and why they are useful to employers if used properly as
you detail in your post....no real problems with that


some employers , however , abuse the system with all employees on zero hour contracts.

there are many in uk, and its a growing trend, so 3.8% unemployment is not a natural deterrent

Yes, donny. No doubt that there are employers who are definitely taking the p1ss on workers' rights through zero-hours contracts (hello, Mike Ashley). The question is, how are they getting away with it in a nation with essentially full employment? (You never get 0%, as there are always some people between jobs.)

Well, having a limitless pool of cheap labour to call on from southern and central Europe certainly helps. Particularly if their own cost of living back home enables them to stick poor living and working conditions in the UK, yet go home later feeling wealthy.

It's all part of how the single EU market has enabled big business to transfer risk to smaller ones, and ultimately to employees. The just-in-time supply chain is another example of this. Someone, somewhere has to store parts and pay the associated costs. That someone always used to be the big-business end user. They bought parts from local suppliers and paid to warehouse them for when needed.

Now those big corporations can find a site in Romania which will build and supply the parts (and, most importantly, store them for delivery at a moment's notice) for a fraction of the cost, transferring all the risk to themselves, and able to do so because they're paying their local staff bugger all.

That's my argument: that the EU is a system to circumvent local protections which economics traditionally ensure for the little guy, by opening up opportunities for the big guys to screw over people elsewhere. Quite why the Left is so pro-EU is beyond me.

"Quite why the Left is so pro-EU is beyond me."
Because it allows them to call anyone anti EU "racist" and then sit back basking in their own virtue?

BTW: The guy in my local polling station said there was a big turnout? We shall wait what transpires - everything the man says about Brexit is a lie .

And yet every polling station I've been passed today has been totally empty

No one cares, we should be out and this is a total waste of time

But we're still in and yet getting doomsday stories about how brexit is collapsing companies

People at a drop of a hat are called racist to try to shut them up,to stop free speech,and the only one who backed up a troll who is proberly been paid to call someone a racist for the resons given was you JUST CHECKING

As shakespeare said
"Talk to the quill, as the bard ain't listening".

people who are racist are racist ....people that discuss issues are not






that would be fine screaming, if it wasnt across the board and applied in areas with
high immigrant numbers and also in areas with negative immigration numbers.

its used in other countries too, not just within eu, and seems to me to be a way
of avoiding treating staff fairly. they get away with it because the government
allows them to, not just conservative party.

lots of stuff gets blamed on eu, single market, etc, but folk were outsourcing to
eastern europe before countries were in eu, and the outsourcing to china is longterm
with little chance of china joining eu. labour has flowed into uk since last world war
to help us expand. migration from outside eu is controlled, or can be, but it seems
to have increased since brexit vote, as net flow from eu has reduced. migration figures
are freely available to back that up.

we will reach a point when our services cant cope, they are fairly critical now.

Yes, donny. Building a new city the size of Wolverhampton every couple of years, just for the immigration form the EU alone, isn't only a case of building a hundred thousand or more new homes. It's also building the new hospitals and schools and providing free healthcare and education. And roads and railways to access them. It hasn't happened. And I don't believe it should. Space, with room to move and air to breathe, is a precious thing, and you can't put a price on it.

I agree that globalization is a long-term thing, and not the result of EU membership alone. But there's no other form of globalization which is so straightforward for big business to take advantage of, and definitely no other form which is completely impossible to control. If the UK authorities felt that working practices in Roumania were disadvantaging workers in the UK, there's absolutely nothing a UK government could do about it. Whether Trump-style tariffs and sanctions are right or wrong as a way to combat perceived unfairness, the fact is we couldn't apply them to EU nations, even if voters wanted them.

One reason for that, of course, is that the EU has cunningly transferred responsibility for tariffs from businesses onto the consumer. Taxpayers pay outrageous sums to Brussels, in return for which businesses get tariff-free trade.

The "lefty" media already getting in the excuses for their "loss"

CNN pretty much blaming it on a few EU citizens being denied the chance to vote, well they are in the wrong country?

I'm sure the "righty" media will be lapping up a "victory", without realising the irony of it all, they've been denied their "brexit" and the fact they are voting in this is a big middle finger, but they'll be out in numbers soon to say how they've "won"

i think its consumers that will pay for trumps tariffs too.

not really any other option, which is why tariffs are in the main counter productive.

eu citizens were allowed to vote sontaran

CNN saying they weren't

So a blatant lie from them then?

My points still stand, both sides are pathetic and neither can see how hypocritical they are

CNN pretty much blaming it on a few EU citizens being denied the chance to vote, well they are in the wrong country?

Every EU citizen has the right to vote in his host EU country, either for candidates of his citizenship country, or from the host country. If they're being denied that right because the UK can't organise a simple election, that is banana republic stuff right there.

if our government cant get it sorted in time thats another thing, but surely cant be many?

banana republic might be kind to this tory party

Isn't organizing elections the responsibility of local councils, rather than central government?

We had exactly the same stories 5 years ago, when councils hadn't sent out some form which foreigners needed to complete to vote in UK elections:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/go-and-vote-in-your-own-country-evidence-of-non-british-eu-citizens-turned-away-at-the-polls-despite-9427571.html

So we're talking about an admin c()ck up affecting possibly hundreds of people nationwide in an election that shouldn't have happened in a PR system that doesn't have "marginal" constituencies, that should hopefully be totally pointless as the MEPs won't even take their seats?

...I blame Brexit.

The MEPs will take their seats. Of course The Brexit Party ones won't because they won't turn up, but otherwise they will.

They'll certainly take all the stationery. They'd take the seats as well if they thought they could get away with it.

Lib Dems - or remain of you like ... I work a lot within Europe  .. No deal would be a disaster .. I don't like the EU for sure but we have clearly seen how broken our political system is and we don't want that in unfettered control surely.

May 23, 2019 -- 4:56PM, mouse muldoon wrote:

They'll certainly take all the stationery. They'd take the seats as well if they thought they could get away with it.

And then claim expenses on the delivery van.

May 23, 2019 -- 4:58PM, minardi wrote:

Lib Dems - or remain of you like ... I work a lot within Europe

^Taking back control dude. As you can see giving our government and parliament even more power is just what you want.

Plaid Cymru

#Ymlaen

All sensible people did.
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I wonder if the Brexit party conciously had a right facing arrow? If I was them I'd have had an upwards (FORWARDS) facing arrow.