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DenzilPenberthy
22 May 19 19:02
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/20/gp-invested-racism-asking-woman-remove-veil-attracts-20000-online/

What a shock
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Report Reynard May 22, 2019 7:05 PM BST
Racism ? How can it be classed as racism if the GP couldn't see her skin in order to ascertain her ethnicity ? Confused
Report mouse muldoon May 22, 2019 7:05 PM BST
Was he still able to examine down below?
Report Reynard May 22, 2019 7:06 PM BST
Read the article , pervert . It was her daughter who was the patient , not the veiled one .
Report mouse muldoon May 22, 2019 7:13 PM BST
Reyno, have you forgot what day it is?
Report Dr Crippen May 22, 2019 7:14 PM BST
''Dr Keith Wolverson could be struck off after “politely” asking a Muslim mother to remove the face veil so he could hear her properly as she described her daughter’s suspected tonsillitis.

The family doctor, who was practising at a walk-in centre at Royal Stoke University Hospital, says the woman consented without raising any objection, but that her husband turned up shortly after and made a formal complaint.''

Why does her husband have to make the complaint for her?
Why didn't she complain at the time?

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Report bigmo May 22, 2019 7:31 PM BST
Turning the tourniquet in pursuit of Muslim dominance.
Report Dr Crippen May 22, 2019 7:43 PM BST
In future doctors should make their diagnosis based on what they can hear.

They should be made clear to the patients and their family.

If the diagnoses is incorrect no problem, doctors make wrong diagnosis everyday.
Report casemoney May 22, 2019 9:20 PM BST
Veils must be the Way forward for any invester be 7 million wearers in 15 years time ....
Report mouse muldoon May 22, 2019 9:23 PM BST
Why don't they just grow very long fringes, same as downstairs?
Report woundedknee May 23, 2019 2:14 PM BST
Refuse to treat them in future .. pathetic pandering
Report Lady Faye Verrit May 23, 2019 2:30 PM BST
....and at the dentist?
Report Dr Crippen May 23, 2019 2:38 PM BST
If the doctor can't hear what someone is saying, then he should to make a judgement on the other evidence available.

There's no problem, just tell them to take an Asprin three times a day and come back if it gets worse.
Report mouse muldoon May 23, 2019 2:52 PM BST
Was the lady capable of writing?
Report DenzilPenberthy May 23, 2019 2:56 PM BST
Husband won't allow it
Report mouse muldoon May 23, 2019 3:02 PM BST
Could she of sketched a tonsil?
Report Dr Crippen May 23, 2019 3:12 PM BST
There must be an easy answer to this, I mean how do people get on when they visit a doctor with Laryngitis?
Report mouse muldoon May 23, 2019 3:15 PM BST
Well the easy answer is hubby takes the kid in, or are they not allowed to do logic either?
Report UBLE/REGY May 23, 2019 4:08 PM BST
Was he still able to examine down below? mouse

It was her daughters tonsils, if he started examining down below for tonsils, he would definitely have been struck off mouse!Laugh


This is grossly unfair, the doctor cannot treat anyone unless he can hear the person.
Also she took it off when asked, she did not object

Instead of making frivolous charges(which may end this man's career)
Her husband should have come in with her, and spoke for her!!!!!
Report UBLE/REGY May 23, 2019 4:10 PM BST
We both agree on our last posts mouseHappy
Report UBLE/REGY May 23, 2019 4:32 PM BST
It is more difficult communicating with someone when we cannot see their face

There are things like their facial expression, our eyes pick this up.

Without this it can make listening much harder.


I hope common sense prevails here and the GP is Not struck off.
Report UBLE/REGY May 23, 2019 4:41 PM BST
I waited behind a women in a queue at my Doctors reception once.

The women in front of me was completely covered from head to foot including her face.

I thought there could be anyone in there, woman, man or even a Dalek.

Then she went upstairs, so that ruled out the Dalek.
Report Dr Crippen May 23, 2019 4:54 PM BST
It's the doctor's own fault.
He should know the lie of the land by now and act accordingly.
Report Dr Crippen May 23, 2019 5:08 PM BST
Ten years training to become a doctor and he falls for that.
Report impossible123 May 25, 2019 11:15 AM BST
For goodness sake, this is the UK, so please abide by the tradition out of courtesy. There is always an alternative eg go private, and choose the health professional. 

Does anyone know if practical examinations eg a driving test, schools, medicines, etc are permitted to be conducted with a veil?
Report DenzilPenberthy May 25, 2019 11:49 AM BST
Does anyone know if practical examinations eg a driving test, schools, medicines, etc are permitted to be conducted with a veil?

Driving with a veil will seriously compromise peripheral vision though nobody's yet had the balls/career suicide to bring that up.
Report DenzilPenberthy May 25, 2019 11:50 AM BST
Fortunately the levels of control doled out by the average muslim male limits driving opportunities for females I believe.
Report detraveller May 25, 2019 12:25 PM BST
Credit to the husband he was kind enough to send his daughter in with the mother and not take her in himself. This is already a positive step. You should also be proud that he brought his daughter to the doctor in the first place. What a nice man. Sounds like a well integrated gentleman to me.
Report Injera May 25, 2019 12:33 PM BST
'Then she went upstairs, so that ruled out the Dalek.' - Very good UR Laugh

(Although I will have to report you..)

I listened to Deacon Blue's excellent 'Chocolate Girl' recently. Am I racist?
Report DenzilPenberthy May 25, 2019 12:58 PM BST

May 25, 2019 -- 12:25PM, detraveller wrote:


Credit to the husband he was kind enough to send his daughter in with the mother and not take her in himself. This is already a positive step. You should also be proud that he brought his daughter to the doctor in the first place. What a nice man. Sounds like a well integrated gentleman to me.


As soon as another man wielded any sort of control (in his eyes) over his wife he cried foul a real positive step towards successful integration which demands the use of the race/hate card at every suitable opportunity.

Report casemoney May 25, 2019 1:34 PM BST
VEIL should be banned full stop
Report casemoney May 25, 2019 1:37 PM BST
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48401923/the-mayor-who-wears-a-hijab

WTF is that on her Head Looks like summat Long John Silver would have worn Grin
Report saddo May 25, 2019 1:37 PM BST
It's time to stop pandering to Islamic cultures in this non Islamic country, otherwise we hasten the day that this becomes one.
Report casemoney May 25, 2019 1:38 PM BST
Cllr Ismail was chosen as the new mayor for Islington, north London - a mostly ceremonial role - on 16 May.

Somalian with a Pirate Looking hat Laugh
Report casemoney May 25, 2019 1:40 PM BST
Its gone saddo mate , 20/25 years  it will be Islamic , The Birth Rate will see to that...
Report casemoney May 25, 2019 1:44 PM BST
Give it 20 years be thousand Mosques in London alone Grin
Report mouse muldoon May 25, 2019 1:45 PM BST
Will come down to a big battle between the beardies and the tattooed beardies. My money's on the beardies at this stage unless the TB's start organising themselves into an effective fighting force soon.
Report casemoney May 25, 2019 1:50 PM BST
Yes most Cities will be Islamic areas , Christians and Others will have Left and Regrouped , The WCG in city centers will certainly not be welcome and will Almost certainly at best be run out of Town , Lets hope Stoneings and Visits to the Top of Tower Blocks are not in play.
Report detraveller May 25, 2019 1:51 PM BST

May 25, 2019 -- 1:37PM, casemoney wrote:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-48401923/the-mayor-who-wears-a-hijabWTF is that on her Head Looks like summat Long John Silver would have worn


lol

Report casemoney May 25, 2019 1:59 PM BST
We have about 50 Shariah courts nationwide  at the Mo ..
Report casemoney May 25, 2019 2:01 PM BST
The police service inspector has commented there are "communities from other cultures who would prefer to police themselves" which the police are never called to, though he doesn't specify whether these are Muslim.
Report alun2005 May 25, 2019 2:11 PM BST
The excellent doctor has completed 22 years of unblemished service, and his ability has never been questioned. He has served the community skilfully, regardless of their gender, sexual preference, race or faith.

Alas these admirable qualities were no protection for him whatsoever against the sensitivities of the Religion of Peace.

The doctor's words should be heeded closely. He states “This is why you are waiting so long to see your GP and doctors are leaving in droves. This country will have no doctors left if we continue to treat them in this manner. I’m deeply upset.”

There's a reasonably straightforward solution to this sort of outrageous scandal. It should be enshrined in law that if you want NHS treatment in the UK, all your cultural, religious and gender sensitivities have to be left outside the building. You are on NHS property to receive appropriate MEDICAL treatment, and NOTHING else.

That principle should also apply across the public services, whether it's the NHS, Driving Tests, Border Control points, Prisons, Police Station Cells points, everywhere.

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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/doctor-plans-to-quit-after-racism-probe-for-asking-woman-to-lift-her-niqab-a4145936.html
Report casemoney May 25, 2019 2:12 PM BST
16% of Muslim women are unemployed, while a further 58% are ‘economically inactive’, Plain

Tax payers Providing Plenty of Support here , Child benefit Housing etc ,No wonder the Birth Rate is rising they have F.A else to do , Some projections forecasting 6 plus Kids Per Unit Plain
Report casemoney May 25, 2019 2:15 PM BST
Can you take a Driving test with your Face Covered Shocked

Shirley that is open to all kinds of Shananigans Plain
Report alun2005 May 25, 2019 2:33 PM BST
Strangely, for a newspaper which is a cheerleader for the NHS, I cannot find any detailed coverage of this scandal in The Guardian. They may well have a story on it, but I was unable to uncover it during a website search using the doctor's name.
Report detraveller May 25, 2019 2:57 PM BST
Does anyone know what has happened for the whole year since this incident happened? He was only told he was under investigation last week. Yet the incident happened last June. He also claims he's been having trouble securing a job since the incident. So was he fired immediately after the complain? What are they investigating now and how come he's out of work if the investigation hasn't taken place last year?
Report Reynard May 25, 2019 3:35 PM BST
I was toying with the idea that patients should only be seen by doctors from their own culture/community .
Then I realised that waiting times for the caucasian population would probably result in thousands passing away before seeing a doctor .....................
Report mouse muldoon May 25, 2019 3:52 PM BST
Plain
Report alun2005 May 26, 2019 10:23 AM BST
I’m not sure how valuable petitions like this are, but it is encouraging to learn that close to 60,000 people are outraged enough by this scandal to have signed it.

The public, in particular those who claim to support the NHS, would do well to heed this doctor’s astute remarks :

“I’m a little bit sad the country has been committed to depths such as this”.

That’s something I’m sure we ALL agree with.

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https://uk.yahoo.com/news/59-000-sign-petition-backing-114737319.html
Report Dr Crippen May 26, 2019 10:48 AM BST
What this does serve to show is the influence these people now have within all levels of society.

Not too many years ago the medical authorities would have simply brushed this incident aside without giving it a second though.
Now way would any action have been taken against the doctor - not even a mention of it.

Now look at the state we're in, I don't even see the doctor's own union taking his side.
Report Reynard May 26, 2019 11:47 AM BST
The GMC has probably been infiltrated to an extent that there are insufficient numbers of normal members to support him Plain
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