Take from the poor and give to the rich more like

Most pensioners have got more disposable income than those that are working - especially since the Tories introduced us to this new demographic - the working poor.

Shirley you just need to means test these benefits - those than need them, can keep them. Those that are so wealthy that they don't need to be subsidised (by people that are poorer than them), would lose their benefits. QED.

I still pay tax so how am I being subsidised by the poor?

Loads of youngsters paying a fortune in income tax and council tax to pay the pensions of millions of folk who didn't do the same for their elder generation. A real stitch up.

Yet they want to punish the pensioners who did.

So retirees who have planned all their life to have enough money in retirement are going to be punished for having more disposable income than others ?

Any pensioner who has managed to have a comfortable retirement probably didn't run up massive debts on their credit cards or expect to live a millionaire lifestyle and pay for it later.

what benefits do pensioners get that are not means tested

Heating allowance, bus pass & tv license. Doesnt really add up to much but it does to the youngsters.

wouldnt have thought wealthy pensioners would even claim for some of those things especially the bus pass

The heating allowance is paid automatically and the free tv licence only applies to over 75s.

Pensioners to be penalised for working hard, paying their taxes and saving up for their latter years. Disgraceful.

ferk the yungsters in the ass

This is yet another tax grab. With each tax grab you are more the slave. When slaves arn't useful anymore, just let them die. That's the message I see from this.

The other thing you'll notice to justify the badness is they'll pit one group against another. In this case young v old, when in a 4d reality we're all young and old (unless we die). We're all on the same time journey.

My old man like many benefitted hugely from the housing boom in the 70s and 80s. Then there's the final salary pensions of that generation...

He gets free tv, prescriptions, winter fuel allowance, bus pass, £10 Christmas gift plus oap rates in various outlets.

None of it is means tested and I often remind him! He once tried to pay for his prescriptions on the basis he could easily afford to. That was denied. He like most is aware the olduns are more likely to vote so many of these benefits are to buy their support.

It's daft really. From before birth to 18, the state looks after you. Many then get in work benefits. Even if you they don't people can be retired for 30+ years in receipt of all kinds of state help.

Hospital visits/doctors' appointments surge for the over 65s and then there's state run care and nursing homes.

The idea that people have 'paid in all their life' is nonsense really. Few of us who get to live a long life are net contributors. In fact, VERY, VERY few. It's quite a dilemma..

I know olduns who leave their car at home and take a free bus!

I do that but only because I know that I`m going to have a good bevvy.

"I know olduns who leave their car at home and take a free bus!"
That's very Green, the young should approve of that. Helps stop the world ending in 2030 and 16 year old world famous climate scientists will heartily approve.

I get on the bus and instruct the valet to drive the car behind.

Where exactly is the tax grab?

I’m all for looking after those who can’t look after themselves.

We have to face it though since the state pension came in the gap between retirement age and life expectancy has grown massively.
The system needs a rethink.

They're punishing the oldies for voting in Brexit (Nap)......

There's a very high percentage of over 65's that vote so i'd think any drastic moves by government could be electorally disastrous.

I could never understand the logic behind people calling for poorer state pensions.
They're in effect wishing themselves poor for their old age.

For the ones already getting the benefits won't be affected, their pensions are locked in and they'll be dead by the time any effects really start to bite.

There are none so daft as folk, especially where money is concerned.