European Research Group

Any deal is for the Eu's benefit.

Tell me how they could have been out of the EU ?

You wont answer this question.

No Deal is basically what we voted for and remains our best option.

I wondered at that as well IS.
They could have been out of the EU by now - you need to explain that Richie.

and remains our best option.

they have failed. I don't blame JRM for trying to out the nutcase removed 3 months ago; at least they made an effort, but were ultimately badly advised. Molly Robbins probably had his hand in that as well. The longer they go on crying in their real ale; & doing absolutely nothing, the more they will have failed, until they are completely forgotten. I for one am extremely underwhelmed & disappointed with them

And your point is Scandi?

never heard no deal before the vote

easiest deal in the history of easy deals is what i remember.




erg dont have a majority so they have played their hand well to convince so many
folk they voted for what they tell them to say.

Didn't they have the numbers to get May's deal through at the second attempt?

My question was, really, do you think they're an efficacious group or not? I'm genuinely unsure myself.

time will tell

erg would have been close to getting mays deal through

but thats not what they want, they want more, and as mays deal still
remains on the table, they have not overplayed their hand...yet

never heard no deal before the vote

I'll correct that for you Donny never heard of any deal before the vote

When people voted they voted to leave the EU. That's what should have happened and we should have left with WTO terms.

easiest deal in the history of easy deals doesnt sound like no deal....

I never seen WTO terms on the paper either.

Why would it Mouse?
Was a simple yes or no question.
Bit like a ballot paper for elections.
None of them include any other info.
All the other stuff came in the various government issues.
Was quite simple really.

For the thickos like me.

ok aka because it went over your head

and remains our best option

*and remain's our best option

… And Terry Christian Mouse.

What's TC said?

Has he too noticed that the premium european wine shelf in tesco has been severely depleted for the last month or so?

Apr 5, 2019 -- 4:51PM, akabula wrote:

never heard no deal before the voteI'll correct that for you Donny never heard of any deal before the voteWhen people voted they voted to leave the EU. That's what should have happened and we should have left with WTO terms.

I suppose you made the point about leaving on WTO terms in one of the many threads discussing the referendum?

WTO terms......Taking back control!!!

Probably be Trump Organisation terms.

who elects the wto?

Dunno, is it the teletubbies?

most of the ERG  are right wing filth

Who are the exceptions?

from wiki

Membership of the ERG is notoriously secretive and an 'official list of members' has not been published

hmmm, wonder what else they get up to in secret.

Probably just the usual japes like nazi themed fancy dress gatherings.

In the period leading up to the EU referendum 10 members of ERG acted in an official capacity for Vote Leave; Michael Gove Iain Duncan Smith Liam Fox Chris Grayling Priti Patel, John Whittingdale Ann-Marie Trevelyan, Bernard Jenkin Steve Baker and Douglas Carswell

may i suggest they check their members credentials before admitting them to the club

sorry, missed out James Cleverly

Has Priti been silenced?

Very low profile currently.

Whereas the likes of Fox & Rudd worm their way back to the cabinet in no time.

if you have any queries about why the ERG do naff all; look at that list, the other members most of you won't know

Priti is still active & about. And a damn sight more trustworthy than the rest of that poxy list

I see you merit Whittingdale with only a single , surely he is a character evocative of considerably greater pathos?

he speaks sense sometimes, mouse. He is on the the plank (as in walking the) list

when you think of decent people who voted to leave like many on the left and good socialists who have no love for the EU ,but look at the likes of the ERG and have o truck with their tea party bullsh1te

a question for you anxious; where would the Tory party be without the ERG?

hornet the spivs are divided by europe , chairman may may i think is a one nation tory not like the lunatics on the far right

i must add that labour is divided on Europe too

there is no far right; don't believe the hype. I don't believe there is a far left in the Labour Party, do you?

The Left are very suspicious of the EU and rightly so

No i agree the media like to play the game , i mean Jeremy is not very left wing i dont think

we all should be. There has been trouble for 40 years from both sides of the divide with the EU, anxious. One should never forget that. There is work afoot trying to split everyone, divide & conquer? Time to get together imo, when the nutcase is sitting in a deckchair that is

you know the game hornet divide and conquer , this this is the ruling class and their motives

so if your on the left or the right you are fooked

The Internationale unites the human race

tbh i haven't got a clue where i sit at the mo, anxious

been renamed  LOREG

LACK OF RESEARCH EUROPEAN GROUP

LORGEG, 1st TP, just add & guts

European
Guessers
Group

The chair wizard to be henceforth addressed as egghead.

I see he didnt answer the question.

at it again regards polls
those who voted leave
outside of London,scotland,wales,ireland
narrow majority favour no deal

which the ERG loons are allowed to go on tv unchallenged to say majority of uk favours leaving on no deal,when actualy its about 25% at best

i would dispute that 1st TP; we can't jump from one extreme to another. Which is why i said "close" The fact is, & it is fact is that the MSM never acknowledge any majority in favour, no matter what poll. That, is not unbiased reporting & i have already complained to IPSO & Ofcom

and of course theres a world of difference between what the ERG and their lemmings think no deal entails and what no deal might actually mean

it's not just the ERG who say it, 1st TP it doesn't matter who says it, it gets squashed & ridiculed by whoever is doing an interview - report - copy etc

Kate Hoey said it a couple of weeks ago & Boulton barely let her say one syllable after "leave" before dismissing her comment as "ludicrous"

many of the ERG have huge overseas investments, they aint the patriots they claim to be.
crashing the economy works for them

ah another "crashing" devotee. Maybe that word should be the new name for a 3rd Party? I'm sure it's coverage would be immense!

cash from chaos

i've heard similar reasons given for 'remain' MPs who want to stay in the EU. Bizarre

but that doesn't make sense as there was no chaos

monetary reasons

who does volatility in the economy work for? Not for the average punter that's for sure.
stop doing the ground work for them

since when are MPs with business interests abroad "average punters"

that was kinda my point

yes from one side; & my point was the 'other' side has been accused of that as well, having 'interests' to protect

Whatever you think of the ERG - you have to admire what they have achieved.

That you can be worth $100m+ (Walter the Softy) mostly through inheritance & marriage, advocate massive tax avoidance, be educated at Eton/Oxford before working as a spiv in the city. I cannot think of a more privileged representation of "the establishment" - so to then convince many ordinary working class people that you are a man of the people and the anti-establishment solution to their anger with the establishment - that takes some proper cunning.

However odious you find them, you have to admire their ability to manipulate the facts and to manipulate (very disillusioned and discontented) people. Persuading 50.3% of turkeys to vote for Christmas is some achievement - then again it's a lot easier to manipulate that many middle class and working class people if you have first spent the best part of 30 years inflicting your ideologies upon them to fuel their anger and discontent.

Priti rather tied up with the problems with our railway round here lately

IMO crashing out and not knowing what will happen over the next few years
is better than staying in and not knowing what will happen over the next few years

As the EU have not shown any plan of action for the next 5 years (or if they have it not been easily visable)
and we could stay in and have a vote but we most probably lose these
when everybody else gangs up.

George Galloway also supports a clean Brexit. Funny that, I'm trying to work out what he has in common with the ERG. A respect for democracy perhaps?

Ah Gorgeous George - one of the most eloquent and impressive orators in his prime - total fruit loop in recent years but still a very impressive orator. The Leave campaign clearly made the better argument. They had all the best orators, were better coordinated, organised, funded etc and the oxymoronic slogan "Take Back Control" was undoubtedly decisive coupled with their relentless fixation on immigration.

As I said, I admire their "achievements" against the backdrop of logic - but history shows it's actually quite easy to whip a crowd into a frenzy if the crowd is already feeling angry, robbed, cheated, ignored and marginalised. It's the standard formula to use a smokescreen or scapegoat to divert attention away from the fact that you are responsible for having angered, robbed, cheated, ignored and marginalised them in the first place. 

Either way - if you honestly think the spivs in the ERG have any respect for democracy or would even give the steam off their p!ss to anyone outside their little club - I am embarrassed for you.

so would it be wise to make a crowd feel even more "angry, robbed, cheated, ignored and marginalised." Add to that the MSM agenda & you have one helluva problem in the upcoming

Indeed - luckily we have BoJo's water-cannons and a couple of dozen police still employed on the streets. It'll be ok won't it?

Do they even sell yellow vest at Savile Row?

Oh I see, The Management knows best. How dare the great unwashed have an opinion, they are nowhere near as clever and was well informed as The Management. Far better they are ruled by a European oligarchy answerable to no one except a group of unelected bankers. Voting is just a pantomime folks, we are not allowed to govern ourselves.

The thread title is the ERG Foinavon - I have given my view on the ERG.

If you disagree with me and think the ERG are motivated by altruism and have the best interests of the population of the UK at their heart - that is absolutely your perogative - but maybe you could ditch the sarcasm and explain why you think that?

Unlucky for some Bojo's water cannon was sold for scrap i believe
by sadman kant

tbf, The Management i do think your idea of the flat cap & bowler hat brigade is a little antiquidated

Maybe bap - but it Foinavon can't articulate a pro ERG logic then he may as well not comment.

He needn't worry though because the usual bus load of Millwall fans will be along shortly now that the mighty lions have finished the crucial match that might see them scrape retaining their rightful place in the old second division.

It's just would have been interesting to hear from somebody sane - either a middle class tory fanboy or even a Labour voting working class lad - what they think they have in common with the privileged, tax avoiding, multi millionaire, Eton/Oxford educated, Nanny employing, anti establishment men of the people at the ERG.

The ERG are a number of politicians opposed to membership of the EU and want to see the result of the referendum implemented in full. They are doing the job for which they were elected, I leave the unprincipled art of speculation on motives to others.

well i class myself as reasonably sane (except around the nutcase) & i think they were needed in the Tory Party at the beginning; i have changed my mind now however & see their lack of action as a major fail & hugely embarrassing. Including my own

I think he was referring to me Bap.

well looking at your post above,  i speak for you as well Mr Foinavon

Thank you.

I'm sure you're both sane - I was referring to the usual nutters that seem to be at the Millwall game.

Walter the Softy represents a constituency that voted almost 60% remain. He doesn't give a monkeys about democracy or do you think he was conflicted and wrestled with his conscience while he was last flying over to the Cayman Islands to sign some papers?

He stands for the will of the people currently - but only if and when the will of the people suits his ideology. Make Britain Great Again - but keep all my assets off-shore? It doesn't stand up to scrutiny as a slogan does it.

Not many MPs are following the referendum votes of their constituents. If they did there would be a clear majority for leave in Parliament. It was however, a National referendum, not a constituency vote.

as i previously said to northenlite; self-serving capitalists are on both sides of the divide. Agree that the ERG traded under a name that to my mind at least, doesn't exist anymore. So if it was disbanded, you would not see me crying; but as i said they served a purpose. Just a pity they lacked the willpower to see it through. JRMs most recent comments threatening the EU made me cringe tbh

I do understand it was a national referendum! - I was just pointing out that I don't think (unlike some others) that he would have needed to wrestle with his conscience on it - or on any other matter!

I guess it completely baffles me that such an obviously odious little man (in every way) can gain an almost cult like or celebrity like following from people that he would quite obviously (in private) completely despise. I find it ironic that anyone working for a living, paying bills, paying tax, etc could possibly listen to a word that he says.

I see all the downsides of the EU but I'm not too far away from believing that the "European oligarchy answerable to no one except a group of unelected bankers" (to quote Foinavon) would probably do better by me, my family and my country than JRM and his cronies.

so any alternative to "self serving capitalists?"
it is the old story, there is a lot at stake apparently but for whom? not someone on minimum wage

has there ever been? You can go back to when Barons ruled the roost & the only difference to now is that serfs have mobile phones

liberal has become a dirty leftie word but conservatives used to think they were far too Laissez-faire.
how strange things have become. i can't keep up

The Management; i suppose it may come down to whether you would rather be answerable to an elected bowler hat, or an unelected Infanterie-Tschako Ord

That's a fair summary imo - up the revolution!

the problem with "upping" the revolution is assuming you will be on the right side of it.

I know I won't be on the right side of an election for a while - until something gives it looks to me like a straight choice between the poison or the bullet.