'Totally unacceptable': MoD criticises troops after Corbyn picture used in target practice

Apr 3, 2019 -- 10:54AM, Just Checking wrote:

If you're going to be a marxman, why not train shooting Marxists?If he ever gets in power and pulls any cuba style sh1t, it'll come in handy.

hates peach

lybertyne    03 Apr 19 11:04 
They were going to use Diane Abbott but the there's a maximum size the target can be.

much has been written on forums, including this one, about the problems faced by
vets in returning to civvy street. so many health problems , crime, and homelessness.

this governments treatment of vets leaves a lot to be desired, meanwhile jeremy
corbyn fights for better treatment for them.

if these lads are forced onto universal credit and into foodbank use or worse still
onto the streets with no home,we know who it will be fighting their corner

"Jeremey Corbyn was a big fan of the IRA who killed them"
There, fixed that for you.

Indeed, they say Jezza had pix of UDR officers on his own dartboard.

Anything's possible, I read it somewhere.

Ken Clarke lost my respect ages ago through his association with BAT the tobacco conglomerate.

http://ash.org.uk/media-and-news/press-releases-media-and-news/ken-clarkes-bat-role-makes-him-unfit-for-leadership/

Corbyn's magic money tree fights every corner in Fantasyland

Same species as the magic money tree in Venezuala he so much admires I believe

As anyone with even half a brain should know far easier to spend money than earn it.  Corbyn can spend all the money the country can get it's hands on, but it will run out, and then we'll be fooked

lybertyne • April 3, 2019 11:04 AM BST
They were going to use Diane Abbott but the there's a maximum size the target can be.

Apparently she wanted to be the number 23

They found best part of 20 billion to fund the Iraq/Afghastan wars easily enough, and that was nothing to do with Corbyn.

Btw, anyone that uses the term wel gel with a straight face should be ashamed of themselves.

Better being a veteran in this country, with over 2,000 foodbanks, than one in Venezuela with none.

Flabot targets used on tank range imo

Arguably the military come first in Venezuala

Corbyn has his flaws but being Anti war and not spunking billions and billions on it is always a good thing.

If Britain had never had those wars,  the truth is 7/7 wouldn't have happened,  and if they'd never of been involved in Syria, Libya, the Manchester, London and Westminster Bridge attacks probably would not have happend, it's not Corbyn that has blood on his hands, yet when he made this point himself the establishment quickly rounded on him to quell any chance of the public rounding on them, because that is the truth after all.

Always amazes me how normal (non BREXIT) UK politics spends 95% of it's rhetoric on what they are going to spend money on, as if the hard and most important part, that is  earning money, takes care of itself.

If we hadn't stood our ground during the First and Second World Wars we'd now be a holiday destination for the NAZIS.  Israel wouldn#'t exist and tension in the Middle East would be less.

The Twin Towers were raised to the ground, and other atrocties happened before anyone invaded Iraq or Afghanistan, not afterweards.  What happened before that was the US intervened eventually in the Muslim Indonesian genocide of non muslims in East Timor, after pressure from western media, particulary Australia (hence the Bali bombings)

What you have witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.

Tanweer argued that the non-Muslims of Britain deserve such attacks because they voted for a government which "continues to oppress our mothers, children, brothers and sisters in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq and Chechnya."[16]


7/7 bombers

I've forgotten, but I think it was something like two thirds of the East Timor christian and non muslim population that were massacred before it was halted.

Anyway Osama wasn't happy.  He felt the US betrayed the Indonesian governement and he plotted his revenge

People would think differently if one of their relative were killed in 7/7 or the bombing attacks in London/Manchester that were of a direct response to the wars against middle eastern counties that millions protested against, but of course it's much easier for war mongerers to just see them as collateral damage, as long as it doesn't affect them.

Anyone living here and agreeing with those attacks should be hunted down and removed.

This thread has gone downhill after a very promising beginning.

Shouldn't May be Bullseye because of all the, err, bull?
Liz Truss Legs Eleven

Osama wasn’t happy .... ,is there a happy Muslim anywhere ?

Dianne Abbott and Angela Rayner any combination of 88

Having seen the footage more closely I'm quite disgusted. There were two misses! They should ID the culprit and mandate more training.

Righteous indignation only applies when it's something or someone YOU support.

I wonder what this thread would have looked like if it had been a picture of, say, Yaxley Lennon?

Or Farage?

The Farage thing would work better if it was an airborne target.

MOD need to get a sense of humour imo

I am also a Labour supporter..it is our leader they are filling with holes

Corbyn is Pro-IRA , Pro-Islamist . Basically Corbyn has a record for supporting the very people (terrorists) that our troops put their lives on the line fighting . Perfectly understandable reaction .

I see, you think they should be shooting at the real Corbyn, Reynard


A simplification, still enjoy shooting him

UBLE/REGY • April 3, 2019 9:12 PM BST
I see, you think they should be shooting at the real Corbyn, Reynard

Do I ? Seriously , do I ?

ONE HEAD that should also be Use , TOADY BLAIR ..

I agree with that Nanny

I agree with that Nanny

yes Reynard

scandal, I lived and worked in the middle east for a long while and the events like 7/7 were ALWAYS going to happen. It was just a matter of time before the nutters from there attacked the West in any form.

Treetop, but they didn't

Anyone living in Slough in the 1970s could have told you what was going to happen, decades before western intervention in the Middle East

Look back at the immigrants from the sub-continent in the 1960s and 1970s, and it was those from Pakistan, both male and female, who spoke English, started businesses, played cricket in Baylis Park and embraced western dress. By the end of the 1970s that was already changing. Women were hidden at home, and were covered up and made to walk 10 paces behind men. The men themselves were speaking Urdu, and withdrawing from activities unconnected to the mosque. Attitudes hardened.

Sadiq Khan himself recognizes this change:

“When I was younger you didn’t see people in hijabs and niqabs, not even in Pakistan when I visited my family. In London we got on. People dressed the same. What you see now are people born and raised here who are choosing to wear the jilbab [a loose gown] or niqab.

“There is a question to be asked about what is going on in those homes. What’s insidious is if people are starting to think it is appropriate to treat women differently or that it has been forced on them. What worries me is children being forced to adopt a lifestyle."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/14/sadiq-khan-question-to-be-asked-about-hijabs-veils-london

So what was going on in those homes? Quite clearly it was an aggressively fundamentalist attitude towards religion. And it expressed itself in a bitter and violent attitude to the rest of world at the same time. The consequences were blindingly obvious to those of us who were witnessing these changes. As my mother said over and over again 40 years ago: "It won't be the Russians we have the next war with - it'll be the Muslims."

Apr 3, 2019 -- 9:03PM, Reynard wrote:

Corbyn is Pro-IRA , Pro-Islamist . Basically Corbyn has a record for supporting the very people (terrorists) that our troops put their lives on the line fighting . Perfectly understandable reaction .

No he isn't.

But the media (who so many berate when they don't see what they want) have made many people believe he is.

He's Anti-Israel so that makes him Pro-Islamist. Is that so hard to follow?

The paras have form for shooting real British people, corbyn got off lite

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He's Anti-Israel so that makes him Pro-Islamist. Is that so hard to follow?

No, it means he is anti Zionist

I do not think Israel should exist, I am anti Zionist, not much interest in Islam, more interested in gambling and alcohol tbh, a

heathen

That is my personal choice...mobody is obliged to agree with me

But he presides over an antisemenic party.

This is complicated

We must go back over 100 years to 1917, ' The Balfour Declaration', half of Palestine would become Israel,

and we make our own decision, do we think this was right or wrong?

I consider it wrong, because we had no moral right to give half of someone else's country away


Other people must make their own decisions

This is a somewhat dangerous subject to broach on a forum tbh

But I am Anti Zionist(Israel), which I have explained

I am not myself Anti Semitic

But is it possible to both support the Palestinians and swallow the semenism?

Is that your own fingers?

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But is it possible to both support the Palestinians and swallow the semenism?

I think it can be done...but the solution is difficult

I have thought of one..a PEACEFUL one....I have not quite finished it yet


People can become trapped in History

I noticed that back when we had the troubles in N.Ireland

That Jack renshaw ex bnp/edl member and national action hated jews called them vermin was planning to kill jews in a synagogue,luckily hope not hate saved another labour mp from being murdered,thats the right scumbags at the moment plenty of them..
The right riddled with anti semitism and anyone from different ethnicity,hiding behind some mainstram partys..

Forgot he was a paedo as well..

Much like a muslim then.

I see a solution here....amalgamate Israel and surrounding Palestinian areas back into one country

We call it something like 'Israel - Palestine'

Secular government, with free religious choice and access to their holy places in Jerusalem

One person - one vote


It does mean both Jews and Palestinians will not get exactly what they want...but then perhaps they could try living in peace

together.

There is far too much hate in this region, it represents a clear danger to everybody everywhere.

The constition would be secular...and would never to be able to be changed.

That ensures one or the other don't get a majority in their parliament and change things things to suit their own side.

this governments treatment of vets leaves a lot to be desired, meanwhile jeremy
corbyn fights for better treatment for them.

I take it you were being sarcastic with that remark Donny?

MOD need to get a sense of humour imo
So do Scandi and SF. Maybe asking a bit much.

you keep posting that aka but I'm pretty light hearted in most posts so that's just a nonsense post.

it's also unprovoked, childlike sniping on a thread where we've not conversed once.

Point proved.

^Ditto.

I just googled Magic Money Tree and unbeknown to me it actually exists and is regarded by sound economic politics by some idiots

"The advocates of MMT" (Magic Money Tree aka Corbynomics) "are undismayed.  If unrestricted money printing to pay for government spending programmes pushes up inflation, they will move to limit private demand in the economy by raising tax rates. In their scheme, the purpose of taxation is not to raise revenues to fund government spending, but to regulate the inflation caused by that spending.

This is where MMT really breaks down. The people who advocate it have the best intentions. They want to fund jobs for all, and a green transformation of the transport and energy sectors.  But the problem with their proposals are that they would place the government, not individual citizens and enterprises, at the centre of the economy. 
Increased government spending would no longer be used as a tool to support private demand when the economic cycle turns down.  Instead private demand would be suppressed to support government spending.

In short, in a world which followed MMT, public spending would no longer be one means by which the government seeks to achieve its policy aims. Rather, public spending itself would become the policy aim.

Private demand and private enterprise would inevitably get crowded out.

As a result, productivity growth would evaporate and wealth creation would stall, leaving the government as the only source of demand growth in a stagnating economically totalitarian state – or something resembling the later days of the Soviet Union.

It’s not much of a choice is it? Venezuela or the Soviet Union? But that’s what the proponents of MMT are offering."

The soldiers were probably upset by Momentum's disgusting behaviour at Labour's Liverpool conference.

Also, anyone who claims Corbyn is or was not an IRA supporter is either a lying fool or utterly deluded by political bias.

Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.” The official programme for the 1988 event, held one week after the IRA murdered three British servicemen in the Netherlands, states that “force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united Socialist Ireland.” Corbyn used the event to attack the Anglo-Irish Agreement, the precursor of the peace process.

He said it had resulted in no improvement in the lives of the people of Northern Ireland, adding: “It strengthens rather than weakens the border between the 6 and the 26 counties, and those of us who wish to see a united Ireland oppose the agreement for that reason.”

The editorial board of a hard-Left magazine, of which Corbyn was a member, wrote an article praising the Brighton bombing. In its article on the IRA attack, which almost wiped out Margaret Thatcher’s Cabinet, the editorial board of London Labour Briefing said the atrocity showed that “the British only sit up and take notice when they are bombed into it.”

Corbyn was general secretary of that editorial board. He wrote the front-page story in that same issue of Briefing, which also carried a reader’s letter praising the “audacity” of the IRA attack and included the sick joke: “What do you call four dead Tories? A start.” It also mocked Norman Tebbit, the trade secretary who was dug out of the rubble of the Grand Hotel, saying: “Try riding your bike now, Norman.”

Jeremy Corbyn nows claim to have promoted the peace process. The truth is he opposed a precursor to the peace process, the Anglo-Irish Agreement, and John McDonnell opposed the talks that led to the Good Friday Agreement, as obstacles to a united Ireland. Both men were closely associated with groups vitriolically hostile to the peaceful, constitutional nationalists of the SDLP
 

In his groveling apology on Question Time McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, incredibly claimed he only was only trying promote the peace process. In fact, however, McDonnell told the IRA’s official newspaper that he opposed the peace process negotiations to create a power-sharing assembly in what became the Good Friday Agreement. He said: “An assembly is not what people have laid down their lives for over thirty years…the settlement must be for a united Ireland.”

The new revelations were greeted with shock and disgust by victims and opponents of the IRA. Lord Tebbit, whose wife, Margaret, was permanently crippled by the Brighton bomb, said: "It’s hard to think how Corbyn could sink any lower. It’s the classic definition of the snake’s belly. He betrays his hatred of democracy and his love of violence, which survives to this day.”

Nigel Dodds, the Democratic Unionist MP for North Belfast, said: “Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell speak about honest politics and straight talking, but they should stop trying to pretend and tell lies that they were pro-peace. They were pro-terrorism. They were enemies of the peace process. They had a clear choice between the IRA and peaceful nationalism and they chose the IRA.”

Between 1986 and 1992, Corbyn attended and spoke each year at the annual “Connolly/Sands” commemoration in London to honour dead IRA terrorists and support imprisoned IRA “prisoners of war.” Programmes for the events have been obtained by the Telegraph. The programme for the 1987 event, on May 16 of that year, praises the “soldiers of the IRA,” saying: “We are proud of our people and the revolutionaries who are an integral part of that people.”

The programme for the 1988 event, on May 8 of that year, states that “in this, the conclusive phase in the war to rid Ireland of the scourge of British imperialism… force of arms is the only method capable of bringing this about.” The event took place the day after the funerals of the service personnel killed by the IRA in the Netherlands.

Each programme includes a list of IRA “prisoners of war” who are to be honoured that year, including the Brighton bomber, Patrick Magee, and sectarian murderers. The lists include their prisons and birthdays, with IRA supporters in the UK encouraged to send them birthday cards in jail.

Corbyn typically spoke alongside senior figures from Sinn Fein, including Gerry Adams at the 1991 event, at which he attacked “British imperialism” and praised Bobby Sands, the IRA terrorist who died on hunger-strike.

Corbyn was also active in the Labour Committee on Ireland, another explicitly pro-republican pressure group, speaking at its Labour conference fringe meetings and signing LCI’s statement of objectives in 1984. LCI regarded Northern Ireland as a colony and the Loyalist majority as a construct which should be ignored. It campaigned vitriolically against the peaceful, constitutional nationalist party, the SDLP, whose supporters it described as “cannon-fodder…manipulated and directed by a sophisticated management caucus.”

Much of the autumn 1985 edition of the LCI journal, Labour and Ireland, is devoted to a six-page personal attack on John Hume, the then SDLP leader, Nobel Peace Prize winner and key architect of the peace process. The journal described him as “dogmatic, insecure, and suffering from a deeply-rooted need for adulation and recognition as an international statesman.”

Diane Abbott, the shadow home secretary was also a strong supporter of LCI. In a 1984 interview with Labour and Ireland, she attacked the Unionist population of Northern Ireland as an “enclave of white supremacist ideology” comparable to white settlers in Zimbabwe.

However, it is the explicit support for the Brighton bombing in London Labour Briefing magazine that may prove the most controversial.

The board said it “reaffirmed its support for, and solidarity with, the Irish republican movement” and added that “the British only sit up and take notice [of Ireland] when they are bombed into it.”Alongside its editorial, the board reprinted a speech by Gerry Adams describing the bombing as a "blow for democracy" and the "inevitable result of the British presence in [Ireland]." Briefing earlier stated: “We refuse to parrot the ritual condemnation of ‘violence’ because we insist on placing responsibility where it lies…. Let our ‘Iron Lady’ know this: those who live by the sword shall die by the sword.

use a picture of Flabbotts bottle and they would never miss

Quite a powerful summary that torque,thnx

Is that the same Nigel Dodds who has links to loyalists murder squad the UVF who themselves colluded with the British Army to murder innocent catholics with no republican military connections, (real good guy him compared to Corbyn),and walks the streets in July promoting sectarianism in Northern Ireland.

Indeed who can believe or trust the words of dodds and his fellow  henchmen who supported and colluded with the security forces and the loyalists deaths squads , not a paragon of virtue thats for sure , and to think these idiots hold the balance of power in parliament

All lies. Imagine a SF supporter calling the DUP or any of its MPs sectarian.
Arlene Fosters Dad killed in front of her whilst she was just a child and then her school bus was bombed whilst she was in it.

On the night of 10 November 1986, more than 2,000 men descended on Ulster Hall, a grand Victorian concert venue in the centre of Belfast, for an invitation-only event organised by the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP). They had been bussed into the city from across Northern Ireland to protest against the Anglo-Irish agreement, a treaty that gave Dublin an advisory role in the government of the north.

Inside the hall, a lone piper led a parade of flag-bearing men in red berets and matching military-style uniforms. Those assembled then sang a hymn, O God, Our Help in Ages Past, which they described as “Ulster’s battle hymn”.

Presiding over the rally was the DUP lord mayor of Belfast, Sammy Wilson. Among those present were the DUP leader, Ian Paisley, and his deputy, Peter Robinson. Paisley warned his audience that some of them “would not see the end of the campaign which was just beginning”.

Journalists arrived at Ulster Hall, after hearing that the rally was being convened to mobilise what the next day’s newspapers described as a “secret army”. They were refused entry, but a young DUP press officer called Nigel Dodds emerged to hand out leaflets. These explained that a body called Ulster Resistance was being formed as an “organised and disciplined force, which will neither bend nor budge” until the Anglo-Irish agreement was destroyed.

Over the coming days and weeks, there were more rallies and marches across Northern Ireland. Paisley and Robinson appeared wearing the bright red berets of Ulster Resistance. Paisley declared: “Every Ulsterman must be recruited to resist – by whatever means the situation demands – those who would drive us against our wills into an all-Ireland republic.”

An Ulster Resistance Rally in Ballymena in 1986.
An Ulster Resistance Rally in Ballymena in 1986. Photograph: Pacemaker
The following year, Ulster Resistance joined forces with the two established loyalist paramilitary groups, the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) and Ulster Defence Association (UDA), to smuggle an enormous arsenal of weapons into the province, including about 200 Czech-made assault rifles called VZ58s and tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition.

Over the next 17 years, these VZ58s would be used in the murder or attempted murder of about 70 people in Northern Ireland. In the early 90s, they were used in three massacres: gunmen stood at the doors of a bookmaker’s shop and two bars, and simply sprayed the room. Nineteen people died and 27 were wounded.

Today, the DUP is a party that prides itself on its robust approach to law-and-order issues; the criminal justice section of its website declares that “there must be no amnesty for wrongdoers; there must be no rewriting of the past”. On Monday it completed its deal to prop up the minority Conservative government in return for £1bn of extra funding for Northern Ireland.

But the party continues to be haunted by the role that its hierarchy played in setting up Ulster Resistance, and the way in which this group helped to illegally import the deadly haul of VZ58s. Sammy Wilson is now the DUP MP for East Antrim. Nigel Dodds is now MP for Belfast North and leader of the party’s 10 Westminster MPs.

Emma Little-Pengelly after being elected as the MP for South Belfast in June.
Emma Little-Pengelly after being elected as the MP for South Belfast in June. Photograph: Niall Carson/PA
Perhaps even more uncomfortable for the DUP are the lingering questions about any role that a man called Noel Little may have played as an Ulster Resistance gun-runner. Little’s daughter, Emma Little-Pengelly, is a newly elected DUP MP. One of the VZ58 massacres, in February 1992, in which four Catholic men and a child were shot dead and nine people were injured, took place at a betting shop on the Lower Ormeau Road, in the heart of her Belfast South constituency.

It is not unusual for politicians in Northern Ireland to have been involved in political violence during the Troubles, of course, and many have been far more intricately involved than members of the DUP.

Sinn Féin’s Martin McGuinness, the deputy first minister until he resigned last January, bringing about the collapse of power-sharing, was probably the province’s best-known paramilitary turned politician. But Sinn Féin’s ministers and committee chairs at that time included a number of former members of the IRA, including a couple of convicted bombers.

This has not prevented the DUP and Sinn Féin sharing power for almost a decade, working together because they needed to. But the DUP is particularly sensitive about the role Ulster Resistance played in fuelling the violence in the late 80s and 90s.

In June last year, the police ombudsman for Northern Ireland, Michael Maguire, published a report on another of the VZ58 massacres, in which six people were shot dead and five wounded while watching football inside a tiny a bar in the County Down village of Loughinisland in June 1994.

Maguire had agreed to re-examine those murders after years of complaints – well founded, he concluded – that the lack of progress in the police investigation pointed to collusion between some police officers and the killers. Two retired police officers have since launched a legal challenge to the report, arguing that Maguire exceeded his powers.

Maguire also investigated the provenance of the VZ58 used at Loughinisland. “My investigators have seen police intelligence that in December 1986 senior members of the UDA, UVF and Ulster Resistance met to discuss the purchase and importation of arms with funds jointly raised by the three organisations,” Maguire reported.

The weapons were to be purchased with the proceeds of a bank robbery which the UDA staged in County Armagh the following July.

The next month, the police had intelligence that the weapons were being procured by three men, including one whom Maguire identified as Person D, from Ulster Resistance.

The weapons – including the VZ58s, hand grenades and rocket launchers – were smuggled into Belfast, via Liverpool, in a shipping container said to hold floor tiles, and then taken to a farmhouse in County Armagh, to be divided among the three groups.

The UDA lost its share of the cache almost immediately, when a convoy of cars stuffed with rifles and ammunition was halted at a police roadblock. The man in command of the convoy, a leading UDA figure called Davy Payne, was later jailed for 19 years.

By this time, according to intelligence reports, Person D had already taken the Ulster Resistance share of the weapons. About half of the weapons that the UVF took away from the farmhouse were also recovered, after a tipoff led police to a house in north Belfast, but the rest remained under the group’s control.

During the following weeks, Person D was arrested but denied all knowledge of the arms importation and was released without charge, the ombudsman reported. “The arrest of Person D appears to have been linked to his telephone number being found on [Payne].”

In November 1988, 10 people were arrested after the discovery of one of Ulster Resistance’s arms dumps near Markethill in County Armagh. Police found three of the VZ58s, an RPG-7 rocket launcher and five rockets, as well as more than 12,000 rounds of ammunition. They also discovered parts of a Javelin ground-to-air missile system, stolen from an arms factory in Belfast. The haul was put on show for the press, along with a number of red berets bearing Ulster Resistance badges which had been found with the weapons.

At this point, the DUP could not disown Ulster Resistance quickly enough. Wilson told reporters that, though the party had given the organisation “political cover and political sponsorship”, and that members did not need to apologise for attending its rallies, he had not had contact with it since the launch at Ulster Hall.

The DUP issued a statement, saying it had already severed all links. “While not members of the organisation, we openly and publicly encouraged recruitment and canvassed support for the organisation and its aims,” the statement said. “Some time later we were informed the organisation was put on ice, and our association and contact was terminated. At no time during our association was anything done outside the law and no member was ever charged with any offence.”

Ulster Resistance had not been put on ice, however. Five months after the Markethill find, Noel Little – who lived in Markethill – was arrested in Paris, along with two other men, James King and Samuel Quinn. The three had been caught red-handed while attempting to procure more weapons.

The VZ58s had been acquired in Beirut with the assistance of Armscor, a defence procurement agency that the South African government had established to evade a UN arms embargo. This time, Ulster Resistance was offering not cash in return for weapons, but technology: the South Africans were eager to develop a new portable ground-to-air missile, and Little and his two friends were hoping to trade stolen parts from the British Starstreak missile that was under development at the same factory from which parts of the Javelin missile had been stolen.

The three were arrested by officers of the French security agency, Direction de la Surveillance du Territoire (DST), which burst into the room at the Paris Hilton, where they were meeting a South African intelligence officer who called himself Daniel Storm. At exactly the same moment, Armscor’s European agent, an American called Douglas Bernhardt, was grabbed in the foyer of the Hotel George V, and carried out of the building to a waiting car.

Storm was set free after claiming diplomatic immunity. The others were interrogated in the basement of the DST’s headquarters. “I was slapped about a little,” Little recalled later. “But not too much.”

After eight months on remand, the four men were brought to court charged with arms trafficking, handling stolen goods and terrorism-related conspiracy. Bernhardt told the court that he had helped supply loyalists with the VZ58s from Lebanon in 1987. They were sentenced to time served and fined between 20,000 and 100,000 francs which, at that time, was equivalent to between £2,000 and £10,000.

But the VZ58s that had already been smuggled into Northern Ireland were quite enough to send the loyalist killing rate through the roof. “There’s no doubt that shipment did change things,” Little said. He believed those weapons “tipped the balance against the IRA and eventually forced them to sue for peace”. And while he said he deplored the murder of innocent people, he added: “Innocent bystanders are killed in every war.”

Little has continued to deny he was involved in the importation of the VZ58s from Beirut in 1987. But when interviewed by the Guardian in 2012 he used a curious form of words to issue that denial. “My position is that I wasn’t involved,” he said, adding: “I would deny it even if I was.”

He also said that many of Ulster Resistance’s share of the weapons had not been decommissioned as part of the peace process in Northern Ireland. “As far as I know they are still stockpiled.”

Little also said that he had been arrested in Northern Ireland in early 1988 after his telephone number was found written on the back of Payne’s hand. It had been given to Payne, Little explained, “in case he got into any trouble in Armagh”.

The Loyalist UVF scum done more damage to their own communities than the RA ever done with their PROFITABLE drug dealing and prostitution rackets, all under the watchful eye of their own politicians .

You should have started that with Once Upon A Time.

Despicable brain dead racist bigoted community (the shank hill loyalists) that nobody wants or is interested in their 17th century s hite.

Glad to see Malay agrees that the RA had PROFITABLE drug dealing and prostitution rackets.

Best to put past troubles in Northern Ireland behind us.  Corbyn's love affair with Venezuala is much more worrying,

Apr 4, 2019 -- 10:53PM, akabula wrote:

MOD need to get a sense of humour imoSo do Scandi and SF. Maybe asking a bit much.

Are you fecking sure???

Why write that?

You need to find someone new (or maybe who's said something to you first) to pick up on and stalk.

You don't need to ask. I have more sense of humour in my little finger (even when it's up my beak) than you could muster.

THIS THREAD HAS BEEN YET ANOTHER (SORT OF PARTY) POLITICAL BROADCAST ON BEHALF OF THE SAD, OBSESSED, UNWAVERING BERK SOCIETY

That won't be even remotely funny to many of you... GOOD!

Well you hide it well on here SF.
You come across as a bit of a drama queen tbh.
This sort of thing happens everywhere in some form.
No doubt TRs image, and Farages, have adorned many a darts board. So what, lighten up.

I'm light enough - your problem is, that you inherently disagree with anything I write.
This has nothing to do with weight, or humour. And there was no need for you to write that bloolox in response to what (little) I did write.

This whole fecking place has become tribal.
I don't hide my SOH on here, I just can't be arsed to have a laugh with a B of C's.

Personally I find Nigel Farage much more irritating than Jeremy Corbyn

I don't hide my SOH on here, I just can't be arsed to have a laugh with a B of C's.

That appealed to my sense of humour

Yes Clydebank - lives in France, German wife, job in EU - not poor.
Just wants to be a bit famous or even get some power.

But for all that, I wouldn't like to see our troops firing guns at his picture.

TY, btw. Glad you appreciate the funniness

It reminded me of Victor Meldrew

I made a comment about yours and Scandis posts.
I just felt you were taking this too serious.
That's what forums are for. It was hardly an attack.
Not my fault if you are over sensitive.

this will make you laugh

https://twitter.com/talksport/status/1114220133801693185?s=21

I cant get links to work for some reason CB.

google "Talksport Twitter"

scroll down about five posts to hilarious sports bar caller and press play.

You won't regret it

About Liverpool?

three down from that

this one ...

@AndyGoldstein05: “Kevin, legally you need the bill payer’s permission.” Caller: “Hello, this is Kevin’s father, Schmeltz Herring...”

try this link

. https://bit.ly/2OQU1N8

Hannah Herring

Been watching Spike miiligan tonight.
Wouldn't get away with this nowadays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esOiB_fanzI

Love the bit where they all do a runner

just checking
you're not very well educated in the conflict in the 6 counties if you believe  that
the RA had PROFITABLE drug dealing and prostitution rackets.

They certainly took nothing to do with that muck, no angels of course, extortion, bank robberies and smuggling were income, but prostitution and drugs was the loyalists income, horrible, horrible people, destroyed their own community themselves, yet march on the 12th with their politicians, who let them do it, the DUP scum.

That's the real story JUST CHECKING

Hope this helps.

We cab see how and what they are horrible people,that take bribes..

Take this as a joke....then there is no problem

Stick some May ones if they like....as long it is tongue in cheek