Bring back Borstal,the birch and national service

I thought this was going to be a petition to reinstate three banned posters.

Phew, that headline will have the bleeding-hearts and hand-wringers reaching for the smelling salts to revive them.

Passed out whilst reading Betfair eh?

Also need to bring back The Stocks on the village green - but need to bring them back quickly as obviously no fruit and veg to throw at them after March 29th.

The stocks were employed by civil and military authorities from medieval to early modern times including Colonial America. Public punishment in the stocks was a common occurrence from around 1500 until at least 1748. The stocks were especially popular among the early American Puritans, who frequently employed the stocks for punishing the "lower class".

Things were great in the 1500's - Make Britain Great Again!

I'm not sure that Charlie will prove a strong enough king to compel all the coloured lads to take the shilling.

The Isle of Man was the last place to have birching,I think I'm right in saying that they
never had to birch someone twice.

What about all de white ones where i live,same people for 20 years doing de crime,violence and drugs do they get to join the chain gang run by posy..

Put them in the army and first morning they all decide to sleep in.

Then what do you do?

Deploy an anal bomb in the barracks.

That's the trouble you see, they're not afraid of authority.

It's corporal punishment they're afraid of. You have to bring that back first or everything else will be a waste of time.

Crippen is correct in his assertion that the scumbags aren't afraid of authority ; the only way to frighten them into subservience is to break them both mentally and physically. It should be plain to our politicians that trying to reason with them is just a waste of time;these 'people' are wild animals who must be tamed or put down.Just get on with it and forget about the human rights crap spouted by the wishy washy liberals.  They pollute the country and must be dealt with once and for all.

Who breaks a butterfly upon a wheel?

maybe parents should take some responsibility for their kids instead of blaming everything else for their kids behaviour

The fear of pain has held society together for centuries, it still does in many countries.

First we have to stop putting faint-hearted people in charge of our laws and justice system who have never seen street life.
They're the real problem, the thugs are simply a by product of these people's meddling in things concerning human nature of which they know very little.

In the Middle ages When things weren't going well (because successive groups of people in power had fecked everything up) and ignorant people were looking for somebody (anybody at all really) to blame, this went very well:

As part of the infamous “swimming test,” accused witches were dragged to the nearest body of water, stripped to their undergarments, bound and then tossed in to to see if they would sink or float. Since witches were believed to have spurned the sacrament of baptism, it was thought that the water would reject their body and prevent them from submerging. According to this logic, an innocent person would sink like a stone, but a witch would simply bob on the surface. The victim typically had a rope tied around their waist so they could be pulled from the water if they sank, but it wasn’t unusual for accidental drowning deaths to occur.

Obviously would be a nightmare now with all these human rights busy bodies getting in the way.

I feel like someone has just watched a rerun of "Horrible histories" and feels desperate to tell us what they've just learned.

Much to be learned from history JC but obviously all the best solutions to difficult problems are a three word populist soundbite - send em back, build the wall, lock her up, take back control, - you probably know the rest of them.

He probably wrote half of them.

“swimming test,”

Norman Tebbit's cricket test would be more appropriate these days.

Beanz meanz heinz and my all time favourite people like players.
All time worst maybe - Strong and Stable.

So many angry, disenfranchised, disillusioned people about these days - all looking for somebody to blame Coupled with ease of manipulating them via modern media, the winners are the very appropriately named Mad Men in an era when the best slogan wins every time.

all looking for somebody to blame

Looks like you're doing the same TM, by blaming those who are blaming others. Which makes you no different, so get down off your pedestal.

Yeah - middle of the road no place for a pedestal - lunatics whizzing by on both sides, scary.

Quite a few knocking past medieval practices, while not acknowledging that importing current medieval cultures is causing lots of killings. If medieval behaviour is unacceptable we should stop it coming here.

The lads at Warwick castle would all be out of a job.

No need to go back any further than the early to mid 1900s for a guide.

What were they doing right then, that we are doing wrong now?

In the States they have the most fatherless generation currently. (Outside of war).

We are on course for that, especially among black communities. Good Fathers and Mothers combine to provide a stability, discipline and identity for kids. There's no need for Plod when you have good parenting.

The values are passed down, generation to generation. Good, or bad..

Sorted then - can you clarify if you are advocating neutering or some sort of Herod like solution?

If only there was a softly softly solution to barbaric behaviour, but there isn't.

Pontificating on a betting site forum is a softly softly approach imo.

There was a television programme about birching on the Isle of Man.
I remember the words of the officer who used to administer the birch to convicted wrongdoers.

He said: ''I don't recall any of them coming back for second dose.''

That's all we need to know about the effectiveness of corporal punishment.

All we need to know from a sample of one small island?

I'd like to give you a damn good hiding muldoon.

My school in the 80s was notoriously tough. The teachers were scared of the Head never mind us.

A strong word or 20 at Assembly did the trick. If not, the cane for you.  His deputy had his Black Book. God help anyone in that. Other teachers were hard. You daren't utter a 'please sir' to some of them.

If you wore white socks you'd be for the high jump. We knew where we stood. We knew our place.

We all turned out good. The Head died last year. A few weeks later his wife followed him. RIP - you served us well.

If any youth who was caught carrying a knife was birched after being convicted in a court, then knife carrying would drop sharply overnight.

How many lives would that save for the sake of a few sore bums?

Did the white socks have the potential to become an endemic problem?

mm - classic deflection.

You're not that stupid to ignore the point.

When we left at the end of term, teachers would be positioned from the school to the road. If anyone SPOKE, they would be recalled. Now that's discipline.

When i was at school the older lads were fighting with the teachers,a couple of murders came out of the school,drug dealers,loads of football hooligans lots sent down and they were the ones that got caned regularky if anything it made then worse.Couple of lads have committed suicide as the bullying was on another level,no one escaped the skinheads were the prefects ffs thats how rough it was.Crazy times,there as a fught between two girls as well and ennded up one of them dying smashing her head against a radiator,the bad old days of the 80s when i was at school.

I genuinely am stupid enough not to apprehend the threat posed by white socks.

btw I don't wear white socks myself but I'd defend your right to wear them.

mm - at least you're honest.

What's needed is a very tough home secretary not afraid to bring back tried and tested punishments that have been proven to work ;examples being the gallows and judicial corporal punishment.

Also I would like to see such punishments carried out in public (for deterrent purposes).

Ideally on primetime TV, Ant & Dec hosting.

If Anton Dec are gonna be hit with a stick I would be all for that - Also Anton Dubec

Nothing's going to happen, it'll just get worse.
Anyone who suggests measures that might take criminals out of their comfort zones get shouted down by the bleeding-hearts brigade. Which includes most of the media.

The only way now is to whip them or shoot them. So take your choice.

Arming the police is the next step so shooting them looks to be favourite.

I have known a lot of policemen over the years (socially you understand), enjoyed their company but can't think of one that I would let loose with a gun. Only thing we seem to have left going for us is the lack of guns on the street.

The machine guns would be mounted on the patrol cars.

Miners strike wouldn't have dragged on like it did i suppose?

Yes, the miners and their communities would have been utterly crushed within days.

The miners strike wouldn't have happened in the first place in a proper left wing country.

LOL "whip them". Given the demographic that is apparently common among the perpetrators, I'm not sure beaming stories about that around the world would lead to a wave of support amongs the notoriously level headed and balanced twitter community.

Lammy would probably have words about it as well.

they were the ones that got caned regularky if anything it made then worse

Nonsense, I don't believe a word of that.

^That was to the thegiggilo on the first page.

Whip them, shoot them, but least of all try to understand them.
When you try to understand them you simply end up making excuses for bad behaviour.

That is one road you must never go down.

Known drug deakers,hardmen of the town a couple of murderers football idiots the same faces getting caned week in week out,infact i would imagine they stppped caning then after awhile as the year went on or the teachers wouldv;e got a good hiding..The proofs undeniable,same as smacking kids just turns the into bullys,i know when my parennts hit me when i was a kid like most parenrts back in the day was like some sort of recreation just about fogibven them...Very bad times..

People that say "it never did me any harm" are usually deranged in my experience.

I used to look forward to the cheer I would get when my name was read out in Monday morning assembly for getting two detentions the previous week. Double detention meant the cane but the old duffer dishing it out was too feeble/p1ssed to do any damage.

Happy days. It never did me any harm.

Caught in possession of a knife? 5 years custodial should be a mandatory sentence.

Worst thing they ever did was take corporal punishment out of schools, imo.

I work in a community college in a rough area of a large city teaching
16-18 year olds who left school with no (or very poor) qualifications.

Some of them have shocking backgrounds but the vast majority just do not
want to learn or make any attempt to better themselves in order to gain work.

They show very little (or no) respect to tutors and advisors, and also no respect
to the buildings and environment around them.

Some of them have been literally dragged to the college by parents who know that they
will lose benefits if their child does not remain in education until they are 18.

When you meet these parents (who treat the youngsters as if they are still in primary school
- pandering to their every whim) it's easy to see why these kids have turned out this way.

Don't get me wrong, there are some smashing kids out there but so many will just go immediately
onto benefits at 19. It's terrifying!

I have been doing this kind of work for the best part of
twenty years but am now at the end of my tether.

I have seen a steady decline in behaviour, attitude and decent values over the last few years
and I am sure that most of these problems are down to poor
parenting and schools no longer being able to apply effective discipline.

Rant over.

Scotland apparently planning to make giving a child any small moderated smack, no matter the situation, a criminal offence on the parent..

All types of corporal punishment are disgusting to a normal person, but the absence of an effective deterrent leads to even more disgusting behaviour from certain individuals, and far more widespread into the bargain than the occasional swish of a cane or similar.

Make them genuinely wince and they'll think twice next time. If that doesn't work double the dose.

Martingale - now you're talking.

I apply margingale to my alcohol intake.

White socks would be an automatic 30 lashes.

Martingale - now you're talking.

First class TM, I like the cut of your jib.

I'll tell you something chaps that a mate of mine told me this morning. Her son is on Instagram which is not something I partake in and nor does she. Her 11 year old son filmed his mate smacking another kid and posted it on Instagram laughing like a hyena and also "liked" some other person posting a picture of his flick knife. He is 11, lives in a nice part of London and is doing this sort of cr@p. His Mum went completely mad and the school got wind of it and a further misdemeanor and he will be expelled.If you looked at this kid you would think butter would not melt in his mouth but he is doing bad stuff like that, peer pressure to be the bad ass guy in the playground. When I was 11 I was playing football and eating curly wurlys at break time and playing British Bulldog.

SlippyBlue • March 8, 2019 7:36 PM GMT
Caught in possession of a knife? 5 years custodial should be a mandatory sentence.

I understand the sentiment there, but if you make 5 years for mere possession, then you need a further deterrent for actually using the knife on someone, and perhaps even more for killing someone with a knife.

I think 2 years for possesion, 4 years for thretening someone, 8 years for wounding with intent and up to life for killing someone.

It's a lot of fun dreaming up punishments, isn't it?

Corporal punishment would probably work well on the best behaved 90% of the population. But it's the baddest 10% that commit 90% of the trouble, and in some cases corporal punishment wouldn't be enough. If you're getting the same faces week in week out for corporal punishment, then it isn't working on those individuals.

What I'm saying is blanket punishments arn't always the answer.

If you're getting the same faces week in week out for corporal punishment, I'd suggest getting a bigger stick.

What are you using a six inch rule or a slipper?

It's when you're getting the same faces for capital that your methods have definitely gone wrong.

National Service of some description seems to make sense and gives a way out for some kids who feel trapped in their surroundings

they can get some form of work experience, discipline and wouldn't have to go back to an environment where they are part of a gang culture or are being threatened

Our history teacher used to slipper people,would seperate all the desks get the lad to bend over infront of the class and write KAPOW in chalk on it,then take a run up full pelt,if it had been me i wouldv'e souught him out after leaving scholl and given him a good hiding..

Anyone who mistakenly thinks that any yoof would be allowed to lie in his army bed and refuse to get up has never been in the Forces. Even in todays comparatively liberal military that would just not happen. As I was once told, you mighta' broke your mothers heart but you won't f*** kin well break mine.

They need heavy lifting gear to get some of them fat feckers outta bed nowadays.