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Dr Crippen
26 Feb 19 20:25
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Which is not surprising when you look around at all the porky pigs waddling about.

The associated illnesses with diabetes include visceral fat, high blood pressure, clogged arteries, stroke, blindness, foot ulcers, amputations due to nerve damage, kidney disease, gout.

In fact if you're diabetic you're very likely to die as a result of a heart attack. 

Thought I'd cheer everyone up.

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By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 26 Feb 19 20:44
Those who got in early on the Big Pharma stocks and shares wave must've made a killing.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Feb 19 21:10
New customers joining on a daily basis and all treated the same.

High blood pressure - beta-blockers.
Cholesterol - statins.
Diabetes 2 - Metformin.
Gout - Allopurinol.
Obesity - slimming pills, gastric bands.

And if you get a headache or indigestion from taking any of those, we've got tablets for that as well. 

The food industry and the medics have got it nicely wrapped up between them.
The first business makes them ill and the second keeps them alive.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 26 Feb 19 21:22
The carousel is never ending yesterday saw my uncle for the first time in about 9 months who is in his late 50's and in that time he has been on steroids for a type of Arthritis (forgot the name) which he woke up with one day out of the blue.Originally they were treating him for an underactive thyroid but the tests showed otherwise,anyhow he has ballooned in weight his face is scarlet and so bloated that he can hardly pronounce his words properly Christ only knows what clutch of illnesses will come next didn't have the heart to bring up the state he was in.
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 26 Feb 19 21:26
2 bottles of red wine a day, sorted. European, not new world sh1te (it's the mediterrainen diet).
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 26 Feb 19 21:27
My uncle looks like Red Wine
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 26 Feb 19 21:31
That don't sound good Sad
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 26 Feb 19 21:38
It's one of them where you think fcuk what's happened to you? He's gone back quickly makes it is easier to look after your health looking around the family he'd only be about 20 years older than me.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Feb 19 21:39
Yes I've know people on drugs for arthritis who say the drugs are worse than the arthritis, one woman I knew years ago refused to take them.
Gout is a form of arthritis.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Feb 19 21:40
People seem to take these illnesses as a given these days.

Everybody I know is on tablets for one thing or another.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Feb 19 21:50
Keep taking the tablets - your doctor knows best.

So why are we all getting sick when medicine is so heavily funded?

Heart disease, diabetes, cancer, arthritis all on the increase.

What's going wrong?
By:
bongo
When: 26 Feb 19 22:06
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https://www.diabetes.org.uk/about_us/news_landing_page/study-reveals-extent-of-type-2-diabetes-risk-for-people-of-south-asian-african-and-african-caribbean-descent

New research findings have shown that approximately half of all South Asian, Black African and African Caribbean people in the UK will develop Type 2 diabetes by the age of 80, compared to only one in five people of European descent.

No surprise that incidence is increasing as the proportion of SA, BA and AC people in the country is increasing. The question is two-fold
1 - why are the people in those groups at greater risk ( they're not noted for being sugar junkies or overweight waddlers )
2 - why is it now apparently forbidden to talk about this ethnic divide in newspaper articles. It's all about blaming fat white natives for eating food that is tasty.
By:
bongo
When: 26 Feb 19 22:11
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https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ph35/chapter/2-public-health-need-and-practice

Vulnerable groups

People of South Asian family origin living in the UK are up to six times more likely to have type 2 diabetes than the white population (DH 2001). They are also likely to develop type 2 diabetes 10 years earlier (Nicholl et al. 1986). People of African and African-Caribbean descent are three times more likely to have type 2 diabetes than the white population.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 26 Feb 19 22:12
Keep taking the tablets - your doctor knows best.

People look at me like I'm from a different planet when I repeat some of the info we've discussed on those Diabetes threads due to the 'trust me I'm a doctor' attitude.

bongo think this has been brought up before the long and short of it is they eat like us now whilst the powers that be continue to peddle the heredity BS as cause for this illness.
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 26 Feb 19 22:13
Would they benefit from the sea air if they relocated to Exmouth?
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 26 Feb 19 22:18
If they left the Fish and Chips alone aye
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 26 Feb 19 22:20
Don't tell Twizzle
By:
bongo
When: 26 Feb 19 22:21
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http://www.asiandiabetesprevention.org/what-is-diabetes/facts-and-figures

•60% of diabetics in the world live in Asia.1

•113.9 million adults have diabetes in China, 11.6% of the adult population.2

ο In 1980, the percentage of Chinese adults with diabetes numbered less than 1%.1

•65.1 million adults with diabetes in India.3

ο In some South Indian cities, nearly 20% of the population has diabetes.


And these data come from countries with a population with lower median age than Europe and North America.

We could go to an SHI system of health care which most EU countries have ( Good bye NHS, it's been nice knowing you ), and let market forces sort it out. But the worshippers of the NHS which is our national religion would not permit it. Ok then, we'll just have to keep on paying in, and hiring Public Health England to lecture the white majority that it is mostly their fault and they are the ones who should change their ways.
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 26 Feb 19 22:22

Feb 26, 2019 -- 10:20PM, mouse muldoon wrote:


Don't tell Twizzle


Gotcha,it's like Bletchley sometimes on here

By:
edy
When: 26 Feb 19 22:28
Ok then, we'll just have to keep on paying in, and hiring Public Health England to lecture the white majority that it is mostly their fault and they are the ones who should change their ways.

Now, I don't know if Public Health England really blames the white majority for bankrupting the NHS through their diabetes, but, in general, is a Public Health agency motivating people to not eat like ill-disciplined pigs, to take some basic care and responsibility in regards to their nutrition, habits,...to...remind people to simply value their bodies instead of living in decadence and banking on getting bailed out by the health care system...really all that bad?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Feb 19 22:33
ο In 1980, the percentage of Chinese adults with diabetes numbered less than 1%.1

It's the same story in nearly all of the developing countries, once they start to prosper and can afford to eat the western diet full of animal products, they start getting the western diseases.
By:
bongo
When: 26 Feb 19 22:36
Yes, for a number of reasons:
1. Because the market system can cover most of this ( i.e. the sort of system operating in most of the EU, except UK and Malta )
2. Because PHE has an annual budget of approx. 6 typical councils - you'd expect some outcome from their nannying to deliver a value approaching the size of their budget. None has been forthcoming. Oh the intention is there, it's the frigging outcomes that are not. And people get taken to court to pay for it all.
By:
bongo
When: 26 Feb 19 22:39
@Dr Crippen
What's your evidence that Type 2 diabetes is a 'Western disease'?
It might be, but the data says otherwise. The South Asians are catching up in income, and can afford 'western diets', but they are exercising less than westerners, smoking more, drinking less red wine probably ( thanks to the poster who mentioned this ) and have a diabetes prevalence way ahead of western countries, and way way ahead when adjusted for age.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Feb 19 22:47
Bongo,

Here Dr Dennis Burkitt speaks about when he came back from Africa, and observed that most of the chronic diseases that filled the hospital beds in the west were unknown in the third world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA1fkVLqhmE
By:
edy
When: 26 Feb 19 22:49
1. I don't see how a market system makes people value their own bodies more than is the case in a system like the NHS. Just don't see the link there. If you meant that added expenses would take care of motivating people, e.g. Germany's system isn't really any more expensive for disaster of a person that doesn't take any care at all than it is for a health nut because there are hard (and low) caps on what especially chronically ill people have to pay out of their own pockets.

2. Can't really comment on that. I just found it curious to have a go at a public health agency for reminding people to take a little care of themselves.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Feb 19 22:49
I don't know about the South Asians specifically.

Perhaps they are more vulnerable to these diseases once they start eating like us?
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 26 Feb 19 22:58
Vitamin D deficiency prevails in epidemic proportions all over the Indian subcontinent, with a prevalence of 70%–100% in the general population. In India, widely consumed food items such as dairy products are rarely fortified with vitamin D. Indian socioreligious and cultural practices do not facilitate adequate sun exposure, thereby negating potential benefits of plentiful sunshine. Consequently, subclinical vitamin D deficiency is highly prevalent in both urban and rural settings, and across all socioeconomic and geographic strata. Vitamin D deficiency is likely to play an important role in the very high prevalence of rickets, osteoporosis, cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, cancer and infections such as tuberculosis in India.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3942730/

The situation certainly doesn't improve when dark-skinned people find themselves living at our latitudes. Not that it makes much difference when half the population of one sub-group is denied exposure to the sun in any case.

And, at the same time, you have even the pale-skinned British population limiting their experience of sunlight to a waddle across the supermarket car park. Having made sure they've applied sunscreen first, of course.
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 26 Feb 19 23:02
No excuse for avoiding vitamin D this February.
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 26 Feb 19 23:05
aye its 3 for 2 in Tescos right now mouse LaughLaughLaugh
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 26 Feb 19 23:05
Targeted prevention needed to battle ‘severe’ vitamin D deficiencies in Chinese urban populations
19-Jun-2016 By Nathan Gray

The rapidly growing urban population in China may be at risk of severe deficiencies in vitamin D, warns a two-year study of people living in Beijing that calls for ‘targeted prevention’ and supplementation strategies. ... The research team noted that the rapid industrialization of northern China has considerably worsened air pollution, and that this air pollution potentially reduces the penetration of UV-B radiation from the sun.


HTTPS://WWW.NUTRAINGREDIENTS-ASIA.COM/ARTICLE/2016/06/19/BEIJING-POPULATION-AT-RISK-OF-SEVERE-VITAMIN-D-DEFICIENCY
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 26 Feb 19 23:06
Sun's not high enough in the sky at this time of year, Mouse, even in the south of England.
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 26 Feb 19 23:09
Oh well, I got slighly burnt trying today anyway.
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 26 Feb 19 23:11
To Tescos tomorrow instead then for the offer Laugh
By:
DenzilPenberthy
When: 26 Feb 19 23:15
Don't buy supermarket vitamin D it's shyte,if you want owt go here

https://www.naturesbest.co.uk/vitamin-d/?sessionid=3b194fc04cc8949912fb2cb356b8cfbf456964ae
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 26 Feb 19 23:16
What's the difference?
By:
smirnoff2therescue
When: 26 Feb 19 23:19
one tablets orange..... the others mandarin LaughLaughLaugh

nee idea tbh -
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 26 Feb 19 23:19
Laugh
By:
mouse muldoon
When: 26 Feb 19 23:20
I like the fizzy orange jobs but those is C not D
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 26 Feb 19 23:22
It's usual to take Vitamin D3 with K2.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 26 Feb 19 23:23
The point about the height of the sun is that nearly all the UV-B radiation in sunlight (the radiation which synthesizes vitamin D in the skin) is absorbed in the layer of ozone in the stratosphere. It's only when the sun is high in the sky, and the length of the journey through the ozone layer is reduced, that enough reaches the ground to have any effect on us.

So, it won't be for another week or two that even those of us in southern England can start synthesizing vitamin D, and even then only around midday. The temperature, and degree of tanning, have nothing to do with it
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