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salmon spray
19 Feb 19 10:34
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If you haven't got a garage which presumably would have a power point. If you live in an oldish terrace house with on-street parking,which millions do,you can hardly run an extension lead across the pavement. I have off the road parking but I live in a flat and there is no way I can charge my car from the flat. I suppose the freeholder COULD put in a minimum of 10 charging points but as they can't even replace antiquated stopcocks which no longer work that looks unlikely.
Electric cars are no doubt a good idea but in practical terms only half the country if that can use them. Or am I missing something ?
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Report lybertyne February 19, 2019 10:38 AM GMT
Where does the electricity come from?  It always amuses me at motorway service stations to see bays of charge-up points.  Always empty.
Report macarony February 19, 2019 10:48 AM GMT
I have heard that these electric charging points increase the value of the property so you could have a word with whoever is in charge of maintaining the site.
Your option is not a car as such but a pedlec you can take the battey pack out and charge it indoors, But pedlecs are expensive and not that practical as yet but in year or two things shoul improve
Report salmon spray February 19, 2019 10:51 AM GMT
Not only the electricity which must leave some environmental footprint but the batteries are made of lithium and the scramble to mine it (it is shooting up in price of course) is causing major enviromental damage in 3rd world countries already.
The law of unforeseen consequences. Just like diesel cars were so much friendlier because they used less fuel,until we found out they were poisoning the atmosphere.
Report salmon spray February 19, 2019 10:59 AM GMT
Oh that sounds fun macarony. I have a heart condition and a bad knee. It's quite a way to walk from my flat to my car. I struggle with the supermarket shop once a week. And if and when I got the thing to my car I would probably have to call a mechanic to put it in as I can drive a car but not assemble it.
Report Dr Crippen February 19, 2019 11:02 AM GMT
It seems an awful lot of hassle having to keep charging up your car even if you do have your own charging point, which would be a minor detail to have installed.

I'll hold out using petrol as long as I can.
Report salmon spray February 19, 2019 11:07 AM GMT
Possibly luckily I have reached an age where even if I am alive in 20 years time I don't see myself driving. I might get to the point where only new electric cars are sold in which case I'll just make a nuisance of myself in an old petrol banger,which I can't see them making illegal before 2040. Although.....
Report nellie1970 February 19, 2019 11:16 AM GMT
one taxi firm my way are all electric or hybrids but mainly electric.Anyone with a diesel or petrol car were given a year to take it off the firm and replace it with a hybrid or electric car
Report salmon spray February 19, 2019 11:29 AM GMT
I have no ambition to be a taxi-driver.
Report macarony February 19, 2019 12:22 PM GMT
how often will you be driving? sure you can buy solar 110v chargers if your a once or twice a week to shop sort of a chap, on longer trips there are always other places to charge the car while go about your bussiness
Report jollyswagman February 19, 2019 12:31 PM GMT
i saw a report from a woman who was talking at some eco warrior summit taking place on a weekend, she charged her electric car to get her there. she also checked which service stations on the way had charge points as it was far away and she wouldnt get there on one charge. she stopped at her chosen motorway service station to recharge only to discover no chargers were working, she wasnt worried as there was another service station about ten miles away where she could charge her car. she got there to discover it wasnt working either. so she rang a friend who came in their petrol car and took her to the conference. on the following monday she went back to her abandoned vehicle having rung the operator of the chargers and expected it to be fixed. sadly it still wasnt working so she had to get a recovery company to take her home.
Report Make my hay February 19, 2019 12:31 PM GMT
No wonder all the motorway service station charge-up points are empty when it  takes several hours for a decent charge, nobody's going to want to hang around a petrol station for all that time?
Report jollyswagman February 19, 2019 12:34 PM GMT
apparently some of the people who run them dont have enough cash to fix them at the weekend.

you couldnt make this sh1t up Laugh
Report salmon spray February 19, 2019 12:41 PM GMT
Apart from this suggestion that you can turn mechanic and remove your battery every night and re-instal it every morning I have seen no answer to my original query. My own block of flats are owner-occupied so it wouldn't appear to benefit the freeholder to instal charging points in the car park.
Report jollyswagman February 19, 2019 12:55 PM GMT
its an ill conceived policy salmon spray. if you buy one i think the manufacturers offer help to put one in your property, but as you say its no good to those who live in flats. apparently the latest generation of diesels are much less polluting than older ones, but its too late for them.

i am a london cabbie and we are being forced into them. at the moment we have a choice of only one that retails for about £63 000. they only have a range of about 50 miles so have a little petrol engine too hence they are not quite as green as could be and no doubt will be obsolete in a few years time.

the roll out of charging points in london is at best haphazard, so far there are only about 300 throughout london yet tfl expect there to be 9000 of these cabs on the road by the end of next year.
Report Make my hay February 19, 2019 1:02 PM GMT
Invest in a house next to a lamp-post, in the future charge-points could be installed in lamp posts next to parking bays.
Report Just Checking February 19, 2019 1:18 PM GMT
There is wireless charging of mobile phones and even electric toothbrushes.

Can we not put inductive chargers in all our cars and harness the vast free power from all the 5G DEATH RAYS? Laugh
Report Foinavon February 19, 2019 4:28 PM GMT
Induction charging is probably the way to do it but the infrastructure would cost a lot to install. Where will all the copper come from and at what environmental cost? As we seem to be inexorably moving towards using windmills to generate electricity, it's likely there won't be enough power to keep the lights on let alone propel millions of vehicles around the country.
Report 1st time poster February 19, 2019 4:49 PM GMT
used to be about a grand to get one installed at your home.
ive got a static caravan and someone,s had one installed through the lecy supply on his van,with a plug underneath on the outside
Report 1st time poster February 19, 2019 4:52 PM GMT
how big are the batteries,easy to fit etc, could they not sell them with a spare that you keep charged up and could take it wiv you if you get caught short
Report screaming from beneaththewaves February 19, 2019 5:02 PM GMT
they only have a range of about 50 miles so have a little petrol engine too

Has anyone tried removing the dead weight of the battery, and just running it off the little petrol engine?
Report screaming from beneaththewaves February 19, 2019 5:06 PM GMT
The battery in the Nissan Leaf weighs 272 kg.
Report screaming from beneaththewaves February 19, 2019 5:09 PM GMT
In other words, if you carried a spare battery around with you, it would be the equivalent of carrying 4 or 5 extra adult passengers in your car.

So the range of your first battery would be even more severely diminished.
Report 1st time poster February 19, 2019 5:44 PM GMT
just asking, Laugh
Report Make my hay February 19, 2019 5:50 PM GMT
I wonder if the charge-points cable plug that connects into a car has a locking mechanism or can anyone just secretly unplug a charging car for a laugh?
Report 1st time poster February 19, 2019 6:17 PM GMT
are the charge points like road signs etc solar powered ?
Report Make my hay February 19, 2019 6:29 PM GMT
no I think each one is wind-powered by its own little mini turbine.
Report 1st time poster February 19, 2019 6:46 PM GMT
they look like large egg wisks
Report jollyswagman February 19, 2019 6:48 PM GMT
Laugh screaming

there is a nissan taxi with a leaf battery due to launch soon but there is a backlog related to the battery holding up production.

i also think the battery life on electric cars isnt great and they cost a lot to replace???

we will probably end up with people peddling and rubber bands transferring the power to the wheels Shocked
Report ghh February 19, 2019 6:52 PM GMT
Nuclear powered cars are the future you cretins

I get a billion miles to a gallon of plutonium
Report jollyswagman February 19, 2019 6:55 PM GMT
and you glow in the dark Grin
Report Richie_Burnett February 19, 2019 7:28 PM GMT
Finally thinking of taking the plunge and buying a Sinclair C5 are you, salmon spray?
Report Make my hay February 19, 2019 7:28 PM GMT
the large leaf battery fits underneath the seating area, Sad
Report 1st time poster February 19, 2019 7:47 PM GMT
can see it now the 3 R,s turbo
RAMPANT RENAULT RABBIT, Laugh
Report the old nanny ;-) February 19, 2019 9:07 PM GMT
WTF would want a line of them Things along their road ,they are unsightly
Report macarony February 20, 2019 8:02 AM GMT
@Salmon spray
How often will you using the car?
If it is once or twice a week for shortish trips then 110 volt solar drip charger that fits on the car could be the solution with the odd trip to a fix charging point somewhere else.
Report macarony February 20, 2019 8:06 AM GMT
@ jollyswagman

Do tje mini cab drivers and uber also now have to use electric cars or is it just another kick in the teeth for black cabs?
Report macarony February 20, 2019 8:16 AM GMT
On my electric bike the battery is the removable cassette type about the size of a book now a car uses  much larger batteries because todays electric cars are basicly a normal heavey care with the power source swapped out, but some of the smaller electric car/pedlec builders are taking a very dicverent approach they are macking small fly weight cars minimalist in design and the battary can easily be removed for charging.
Report salmon spray February 20, 2019 10:33 AM GMT
I am retired but use my car most days and in the summer drive around all over the country.
I suspect a lot of electric cars ARE used for short city journeys by people who either have another car or use and can afford taxis when necessary.
Report jollyswagman February 20, 2019 10:47 AM GMT
macarony, they dont have this regulation but there is an ultra low emissions zone coming soon so they need to get rid of diesel vehicles. their current weapon of choice is the hybrid prius (which is cheap as chips), often seen travelling in the wrong direction on london's roads. we are heavily regulated whereas private hire have been encouraged to do what they want.

about 13,000 uber drivers were found to not have the correct disclosure barring service police check, we were told by a senior tfl bod they would all have to reapply and that all would be up to scratch (how someone can guarantee that people will pass police checks is beyond me) but tfl gave up on dealing with the backlog. this means there are over 10,000 private hire drivers cruising around london who havent been police checked.

yesterday i learnt that our impartial regulator (tfl) have a deal with uber to get discounts for their staff, imo the corruption is blatant. we had a judge make decisions in two cases in favour of uber whose husband has interests in companies that work for uber, she also wanted to deal with any future uber cases, i wonder why?

we have three court cases on the go at the moment but as far as i can see it just means some other establishment judge will say 'move along here nothing to see'.

we're fecked.
Report jollyswagman February 20, 2019 10:49 AM GMT
the basic point salmon spray has highlighted is that we just dont have the infrastructure to move to all electric vehicles any time soon. imo, its all a bit of a farce.
Report nellie1970 February 20, 2019 11:01 AM GMT
electric Nissan leafs been used for taxis  a few years in my area now.they also have six seaters now drivers say normally takes about 15-20 mins for a charge.the newer models have nearly double the range than the first cars the owner bought

on this website it shows the six seaters

https://www.google.com/search?q=premier+taxis+blackpool&oq=premier+taxis&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j0l4.6098j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Report macarony February 20, 2019 5:03 PM GMT
@jollyswagman
The double standards in this country is one of reasons people are angry. Would I be right in thinking that these uber drivers are the type of people the elitists love to to suck up to?
@ Salmon spray my advice is to hold off buying an electric car for a year or two maybe then these cars will be more practicle
Report Dr Crippen February 20, 2019 6:35 PM GMT
They'll be breaking into the cars to steal the batteries if they're expensive.
Report breadnbutter February 20, 2019 6:59 PM GMT
The batteries are not easily accessible
Report Make my hay February 20, 2019 8:42 PM GMT
but are `cars' electric? only mine's broke down and now I've nowhere to charge.
Report Nebs February 21, 2019 8:07 AM GMT
When you can get a taxi for 35p/mile there will be no need to own a car. When we have driverless electric cars, in the forseeable future, taxi firms will race to the bottom with their prices, no driver wages, a few pence per mile for electric, the rest for admin servicing depreciation and profit.
Report macarony February 21, 2019 8:35 AM GMT
What you say there is one of the reasons why car manufactures are starting to make plans for a serious drop off in sales. We now own our own cars but it looks like future generations will not.
Report salmon spray February 21, 2019 12:22 PM GMT
I can see reasons why that would be ideal macarony,but the disaster that public transport has become makes one suspect it will be the rich who will be able to swan around easily,while the plebs have to put up with the sort of chaos you get at airports now if you can't pay for special treatment.
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