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Hardman is currently in a relationship with John Woodcock, the Member of Parliament for Barrow and Furness,[15] [16] who currently sits as an independent MP, having resigned from the Labour Party amid an investigation into claims of sexual harassment.[17]
A few work colleagues and I had lunch with Isabel before Christmas.
You'd have to go a long way to find a more intelligent woman.
She was a real delight.
You'd have to go a long way to find a more intelligent woman.
She was a real delight.
She's been extremely courageous publicly discussing her mental health struggles.
Can't believe Mr Cat tried to suggest a few weeks ago that new Labour activist doing the rounds was even the same league as Isabel 
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Isabel is the greatest thing since sliced bread. She's sliced bread, toasted, with truffle pesto on it, on top of a pile of winning lottery tickets.
.Isabel is the greatest thing since sliced bread. She's sliced bread, toasted, with truffle pesto on it, on top of a pile of winning lottery tickets.
LOL look at the the pathetic commie student activist representing the Scottish greens. Who would vote for that cretin like that?
Makes Owen Jones appear a towering intellectual full of common sense.
Maybe he'll grow up when his balls drop and he has to start shaving..
30 mins delayed....catching up.....JC.....yes.....Grace Blakeley.....she is my new joint favourite political commentator with Ella Whelan.....Isabel maybe the nicest person of the 3 though !
Jan 28, 2019 -- 12:32PM, Mr Eboue wrote:
A few work colleagues and I had lunch with Isabel before Christmas.You'd have to go a long way to find a more intelligent woman.She was a real delight.
I'm jealous.....found she hosts The Spectator Podcast.....may give that a listen....trouble is The Spectator is a right wing leaning publication....as Assistant editor....why is Isabel in that position....thought she was left of cetre ?
Blaklely I suppose appeals to people who see the label "economist" and think that makes her smart and wise when of course every economist on the planet has a different opinion, and having that label on her doesn't make her leftist tripe any more worthwhile, no matter how she states her OPINION as fact.
I'm sure her economist friends thought Venezuela was onto a winner, an interesting experiment...
I'm sure her economist friends thought Venezuela was onto a winner, an interesting experiment...
I liked way at end Isabel the sensible madult put the Green child in his place using careful moderate language but hit the mark, very well put and made me love her more, didn't see that coming :)
Patrick Harvie? Grade A plonker and apologist for the SNP.
It was "Ross Greer" trilby. A pencil necked four eyed tw*t who has been on twitter with a student activist tweet that Churchill was a "white supremicist mass murderer" with every space filled with a childish "clap" emoticon, and then was on the show to give his student marxist cr*p about what a bad man he was.
Ah, just Googled him, JC. I've seen that wee ginge before.
He should be the poster boy for why list votes are a bad idea. And boy is the correct word!
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1089586311508443136
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And you're a thick ginger turd who'd be spewing this filth in German if it wasn't for Churchill.
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And you're a thick ginger turd who'd be spewing this filth in German if it wasn't for Churchill.
I used to hate Morgan but he regularly says things now that seem sensible :) Still find it hard to forgive him for the fake british troops story. Perhaps he has guilt and is trying to make amends!
Ross Greer had about double the intelligence of the idiot, James Cleverly (what a misnomer !)
Every word Ross said was correct !
Churchill was just an alcoholic depressive figure-head ....I would bet he had no useful say in the war's strategy !
Churchill has still got approx. 1000 years in Hell to go for his responsibility of the use of Poisonous Gas weapons :
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/sep/01/winston-churchill-shocking-use-chemical-weapons
Secrecy was paramount. Britain's imperial general staff knew there would be outrage if it became known that the government was intending to use its secret stockpile of chemical weapons. But Winston Churchill, then secretary of state for war, brushed aside their concerns.
As a long-term advocate of chemical warfare, he was determined to use them against the Russian Bolsheviks. In the summer of 1919, 94 years before the devastating strike in Syria, Churchill planned and executed a sustained chemical attack on northern Russia.
The British were no strangers to the use of chemical weapons. During the third battle of Gaza in 1917, General Edmund Allenby had fired 10,000 cans of asphyxiating gas at enemy positions, to limited effect. But in the final months of the first world war, scientists at the governmental laboratories at Porton in Wiltshire developed a far more devastating weapon: the top secret "M Device", an exploding shell containing a highly toxic gas called diphenylaminechloroarsine. The man in charge of developing it, Major General Charles Foulkes, called it "the most effective chemical weapon ever devised".
Trials at Porton suggested that it was indeed a terrible new weapon. Uncontrollable vomiting, coughing up blood and instant, crippling fatigue were the most common reactions. The overall head of chemical warfare production, Sir Keith Price, was convinced its use would lead to the rapid collapse of the Bolshevik regime.
"If you got home only once with the gas you would find no more Bolshies this side of Vologda."The cabinet was hostile to the use of such weapons, much to Churchill's irritation. He also wanted to use M Devices against the rebellious tribes of northern India. "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes," he declared in one secret memorandum.
He criticised his colleagues for their "squeamishness", declaring that "the objections of the India Office to the use of gas against natives are unreasonable. Gas is a more merciful weapon than [the] high explosive shell, and compels an enemy to accept a decision with less loss of life than any other agency of war."
He ended his memo on a note of ill-placed black humour: "Why is it not fair for a British artilleryman to fire a shell which makes the said native sneeze?" he asked. "It is really too silly."
A staggering 50,000 M Devices were shipped to Russia: British aerial attacks using them began on 27 August 1919, targeting the village of Emtsa, 120 miles south of Archangel. Bolshevik soldiers were seen fleeing in panic as the green chemical gas drifted towards them. Those caught in the cloud vomited blood, then collapsed unconscious.
The attacks continued throughout September on many Bolshevik-held villages: Chunova, Vikhtova, Pocha, Chorga, Tavoigor and Zapolki. But the weapons proved less effective than Churchill had hoped, partly because of the damp autumn weather. By September, the attacks were halted then stopped. Two weeks later the remaining weapons were dumped in the White Sea. They remain on the seabed to this day in 40 fathoms of water.
Every word Ross said was correct !
Churchill was just an alcoholic depressive figure-head ....I would bet he had no useful say in the war's strategy !
Churchill has still got approx. 1000 years in Hell to go for his responsibility of the use of Poisonous Gas weapons :
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/sep/01/winston-churchill-shocking-use-chemical-weapons
Secrecy was paramount. Britain's imperial general staff knew there would be outrage if it became known that the government was intending to use its secret stockpile of chemical weapons. But Winston Churchill, then secretary of state for war, brushed aside their concerns.
As a long-term advocate of chemical warfare, he was determined to use them against the Russian Bolsheviks. In the summer of 1919, 94 years before the devastating strike in Syria, Churchill planned and executed a sustained chemical attack on northern Russia.
The British were no strangers to the use of chemical weapons. During the third battle of Gaza in 1917, General Edmund Allenby had fired 10,000 cans of asphyxiating gas at enemy positions, to limited effect. But in the final months of the first world war, scientists at the governmental laboratories at Porton in Wiltshire developed a far more devastating weapon: the top secret "M Device", an exploding shell containing a highly toxic gas called diphenylaminechloroarsine. The man in charge of developing it, Major General Charles Foulkes, called it "the most effective chemical weapon ever devised".
Trials at Porton suggested that it was indeed a terrible new weapon. Uncontrollable vomiting, coughing up blood and instant, crippling fatigue were the most common reactions. The overall head of chemical warfare production, Sir Keith Price, was convinced its use would lead to the rapid collapse of the Bolshevik regime.
"If you got home only once with the gas you would find no more Bolshies this side of Vologda."The cabinet was hostile to the use of such weapons, much to Churchill's irritation. He also wanted to use M Devices against the rebellious tribes of northern India. "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes," he declared in one secret memorandum.
He criticised his colleagues for their "squeamishness", declaring that "the objections of the India Office to the use of gas against natives are unreasonable. Gas is a more merciful weapon than [the] high explosive shell, and compels an enemy to accept a decision with less loss of life than any other agency of war."
He ended his memo on a note of ill-placed black humour: "Why is it not fair for a British artilleryman to fire a shell which makes the said native sneeze?" he asked. "It is really too silly."
A staggering 50,000 M Devices were shipped to Russia: British aerial attacks using them began on 27 August 1919, targeting the village of Emtsa, 120 miles south of Archangel. Bolshevik soldiers were seen fleeing in panic as the green chemical gas drifted towards them. Those caught in the cloud vomited blood, then collapsed unconscious.
The attacks continued throughout September on many Bolshevik-held villages: Chunova, Vikhtova, Pocha, Chorga, Tavoigor and Zapolki. But the weapons proved less effective than Churchill had hoped, partly because of the damp autumn weather. By September, the attacks were halted then stopped. Two weeks later the remaining weapons were dumped in the White Sea. They remain on the seabed to this day in 40 fathoms of water.
Jan 28, 2019 -- 1:29PM, trilby22 wrote:
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1089586311508443136.And you're a thick ginger turd who'd be spewing this filth in German if it wasn't for Churchill.
If Germany had invaded....they would not have lasted a year against a British resistance campaign !
Jan 28, 2019 -- 1:18PM, Just Checking wrote:
It was "Ross Greer" trilby. A pencil necked four eyed tw*t who has been on twitter with a student activist tweet that Churchill was a "white supremicist mass murderer" with every space filled with a childish "clap" emoticon, and then was on the show to give his student marxist cr*p about what a bad man he was.
You are easy to tilt if a "clap' emoticon winds you up
Leopard I'm tired of arguing the same old crap with you and your like, it's just so TIRESOME as you never listen to what anyone says.
The left selectively quote things like that from churchill without quoting the rest of it.
That disgusting article by the guaridan takes quotes from different times about different actions and different weapons and tries to create at totally untrue narrative. Typical left wing crap. The full quotes about e.g. tribes are that he thought that shooting and shelling them was ridiculous and he wanted to save lifes and casualties by using non lethal tear gas on them to drive them away.
Stop regurgitating left wing lies.
The left selectively quote things like that from churchill without quoting the rest of it.
That disgusting article by the guaridan takes quotes from different times about different actions and different weapons and tries to create at totally untrue narrative. Typical left wing crap. The full quotes about e.g. tribes are that he thought that shooting and shelling them was ridiculous and he wanted to save lifes and casualties by using non lethal tear gas on them to drive them away.
Stop regurgitating left wing lies.
Wy don't you e.g. use the full quote, Guardian / Leopard?
Guardian deliberalty cut down to misquote (and adjoing to an unrelated event) to say :
"I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes," he declared in one secret memorandum.
Churchill actual quote below.
"It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected."
i.e. as said below "It was never proposed to use chlorine or phosgene, but Churchill confused the matter when he used the general term “poison gas” in a departmental minute in 1919 ".
https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-160/leading-myths-churchill-advocated-the-first-use-of-lethal-gas/
Who could argue with that? He's arguing that using non lethal in effect tear gases on natives is better than blowing them apart with shells. And he argues that loss of life should be kept to a minimum and he feels this method would help that. Guardian scum would never put the full quote because of that.
I'm not getting in another anti churchill argument, we've had them too many times on here and they follow the same path. Life is too short. This forum is like groundhog day and I predicted 75 minutes ago it would go this way again and likely you'd be at the front of it.
Guardian deliberalty cut down to misquote (and adjoing to an unrelated event) to say :
"I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes," he declared in one secret memorandum.
Churchill actual quote below.
"It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected."
i.e. as said below "It was never proposed to use chlorine or phosgene, but Churchill confused the matter when he used the general term “poison gas” in a departmental minute in 1919 ".
https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-160/leading-myths-churchill-advocated-the-first-use-of-lethal-gas/
Who could argue with that? He's arguing that using non lethal in effect tear gases on natives is better than blowing them apart with shells. And he argues that loss of life should be kept to a minimum and he feels this method would help that. Guardian scum would never put the full quote because of that.
I'm not getting in another anti churchill argument, we've had them too many times on here and they follow the same path. Life is too short. This forum is like groundhog day and I predicted 75 minutes ago it would go this way again and likely you'd be at the front of it.
The french police are currently using "poison gas" to disperse yellow shirted protestors. The nazis..
Churchill's poisonous gas weapons were a lot more debilitating than tear gas :
A staggering 50,000 'M' Devices were shipped to Russia: British aerial attacks using them began on 27 August 1919, targeting the village of Emtsa, 120 miles south of Archangel.
Bolshevik soldiers were seen fleeing in panic as the green chemical gas drifted towards them. Those caught in the cloud vomited blood, then collapsed unconscious.
A staggering 50,000 'M' Devices were shipped to Russia: British aerial attacks using them began on 27 August 1919, targeting the village of Emtsa, 120 miles south of Archangel.
Bolshevik soldiers were seen fleeing in panic as the green chemical gas drifted towards them. Those caught in the cloud vomited blood, then collapsed unconscious.
Churchill was a Boris Johnson type of character.
Now we have a freer media (internet) we can see what these flawed individuals are really like.
Now we have a freer media (internet) we can see what these flawed individuals are really like.
If you can't be bothered reading on this further than the guardian crap it's you that is the loser. You'd rather read carefully cherry picked cut down misquotes from the Guadian entirely chosen and trung together to fulfill their left wing agenda, than read full long undedited actual quotes put in context and segregated into actual events.
You continually wilfully misinterpret people on here to put a negative slant on it for your own reaosons, you are known for it so there is no hope of you gaining anything from this either against one of the greatest men Britain has produced, so I'm out, better things to do.
You continually wilfully misinterpret people on here to put a negative slant on it for your own reaosons, you are known for it so there is no hope of you gaining anything from this either against one of the greatest men Britain has produced, so I'm out, better things to do.
I only wish Isabel was on here to use one of her carefully constructed put downs. When she leaves her current guy and falls into my waiting arms, I'll get her to join.
I get it now. Coz the boy and spotty didn't like the opposition to failed socialist experiments they therefore hate churchill
It all makes sense now.
It all makes sense now.
So they are quite happy to be ruled by foreigners then. That sure is intelligent.
Churchill was in many ways a liberal in the original sense of the word (not the current use which has become SJW snowflake tw*t), people who actually know his history properly will know that.. I'm a liberal and like him I strongly dislike socialism/communism. Freedom and the hard left aren't compatible.
Freedom and the hard-right are also incompatible......I trust you strongly dislike Facism and Tommy Robinson's mates ?
Anything right of Bambi is the hard right to you, Spotify 
Of course I despise fascism, said it often on here before. As of course the left seem to think anyone who is against the hard left is therefore a fascist.
As a guy on the awful "the big question" yesterday pointed out (as if it needed to be pointed out) the way the left throw the word fascism around now is a joke, the word has become meaningless.
As a guy on the awful "the big question" yesterday pointed out (as if it needed to be pointed out) the way the left throw the word fascism around now is a joke, the word has become meaningless.
Sadly some of the 'left' or 'progressives' seem to favour undemocratic and faschist tendencies when challenged.
Exactly. You can have free speech in a university in 2019 .. but only as long as the hard left approve of it.
I'm against all forms of extremism, left and right, but the biggest threat at the moment seems to be a right wing push to topple our liberal and democratic institutions.....and foment fighting on the streets !
The chances of the hard right getting power in the UK are pretty much zero, the hard left.. well that Greer guys party in Scotland are a bunch of hard left lunatics, yet they are essentially propping the SNP government up. Could you imagine the madness the greens would get up to if they had full power? Corbyn and his cronies are hard left deliberately moderating their language to avoid scaring moderate voters. We know where the threat is from and it's not the right.
Although if I could point out one fairly stupid thing about Morgan's "ginger" post that most people don't know due to our knowledge of him being from old and B/W photos (but being an unashamed Churchill fanboy I know) - Churchill was in fact himself a red head 
. To be fair the chances of that cretinous Green child or any of his leftist friends knowing anything like that about the great man are about a billion to one....
. To be fair the chances of that cretinous Green child or any of his leftist friends knowing anything like that about the great man are about a billion to one....
Great, let's hope PM has a good nights sleep and makes the little SJW sh1t cry. Doesn't sound like he's calmed down.
I've not watched GMB in years but I'll watch it tommorow.
Piers Morgan
Verified account @piersmorgan
4h4 hours ago
UPDATE: The thick ginger turd MSP @Ross_Greer who said Churchill is a ‘white supremacist mass murderer’ will be appearing live on @GMB tomorrow.
I've not watched GMB in years but I'll watch it tommorow.
Piers Morgan
Verified account @piersmorgan
4h4 hours ago
UPDATE: The thick ginger turd MSP @Ross_Greer who said Churchill is a ‘white supremacist mass murderer’ will be appearing live on @GMB tomorrow.
It's appropriate to point out of course, just after holocaust memorial day, that if isntaed of Churchill we'd had a spineless Green or Corbyn style appeasing leader who would have capitulated to hitler and either let him roll in or called a nice hand wringing truce (for as long as Hitler took to regroup and decide to invade), rather than having some jews left from the death camps and some left in Europe, we'd have approximately zero, and the lovely EU would never have existed as it would still be part of the 1000 year reich...
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