Ok; that was fun now what next?

Bap no one will want the Job Its like finding a new captain for a half Submerged ship

UK politics in a desperate state ALL PARTIES

germany panicking yet verstof saying we would pollute the eu - yet they want us to stay or..........  what do THEY want??

our money

How is the pound rallying after this?

They literally do make it up as they go along imo

They know a tumbling pound makes no difference

You don't need to be an MP to be a minister, if you don't need to be an MP to be PM, they should throw their oar further out for the next choice.
Jeremy Clarkson vs Jeremy Corbyn? That would be brilliant if Clarkson was allowed shout "broom broom" and flatten the marxist t1t.

Just Checking?

I see a sort of J.C. theme going on here, and I'm not against it!

2 years to sort it and what happens???   Both sides.  Obfuscation at its finest.  Let's extend 50 and have a chat - won't that go against the law in the uk

isn't art 50 enshrined in our law (to leave end of march) and they voted on it or.............

After all the bold threats of a collapsing pound and economy and market

The pound rallies and the market is untouched

Shows what a bunch of lying ba****** they are, they can threaten to leave all they like but where they gonna go?

Britain is full of block heads that will buy anything and believe anything, there's no way they are upping it and leaving

We'll need to throw them out

a few resignations tonight, minor but resg nonehteless

King Harry and Queen Meghan......coup incoming ......British Army right behind Harry !

there you are; guy on Sky just said what i said @ 9:32

Bap

None of the cabinet will resign

Its all one big charade, another GE pretty much kills "brexit" anyway

Was only jesting Bap.

withdrawal act was voted for march 29th  sorry people we are out

but the panicking eu want to talk about it

ah no worries Mr Bula. My comedic nous has  deserted me tonight looking at her face

We should stick two fingers up to them and say bye bye

No silly deal and no silly idle threats from the companies in this country

In fact ask them to pack their bags and get out on the 29th March as well

SS; if war breaks out (i know) then there could be. This is precisely why she doesn't want the cabinet split

I understand that france are starting to see it differently

likewise germany

as we thought - they fear the financial consequences -  don't think the german car workers will be happy with this hanging on or the norman farmers and cheesemakers

panic on the dutch pork and bacon market

that should read  DANISH pork and bacon market

I hear that long boat building is on the up!!!

yes, moisok dunlaying put a good link up last night

what on hornet  ?  the pork market ?

no, the actual fear of France & Germany.

I didn't know this    -  The OECD also said Danish household debt, which is the highest across the 34 OECD countries, is a "source of vulnerability", even though it is somewhat counterbalanced by large pension savings.

th EU are in a worst state than we are. In fact in comparison, we are well off

germany is on a threat of technical recession if november's figures are anything to go by  -  why does sky bbc etc ignore all this negative financial information coming out of the eu.  italy, spain, portugal, greece - terrible youth unemployment (which would be higher if the young had not got jobs in the rest of the eu)
look at the state of france

collectively, if it was a nation, (well it is trying to be)  the eu would be considered a very very bad investment

to be fair  our debt isn't!!!!!   I think the deficit is still wonky but haven't looked at any figures lately - I know it has come down but...............

it's recoverable. The EU debtors are growing daily. Italy will cripple them

hornet - don't get too involved in the idea this is all good - we still have banking/financial links that will do damage to our own economy if the euro and eu fold

i know they are all linked, moiok. I would still like us to lose our our own money first though

I am sure we are roughly on the same wave length.  There are going to be marvellous opportunities out there - I wish I were a great deal younger.

However - the problems for industry our massive in the future with all the alternative energy/fuel provision for transport etc and some very large companies could suffer with poor planning.  The liars tell us the things going wrong are linked to brexit and uncertainty(uncertain of making enough money - they are never happy - but it does have some mileage)  However my main point is it will be the larger world markets that will determine which way we are heading.  The pound etc - markets also go up and down. etc etc  - I am sure I don't need to lecture you on this. 

I have just put my finger in my pint of beer - doh  - nurse is here with my pills

I have failed to hold my glass properly hahahahah

i've got a fine port in hand and some delicious cheese on a board nearby. Yes world markets usually kick the nuts together for a small loss. You are spot on about the fantasies with brexit for everything wrong to come

u fkn snob!!!  I actually no how to drink port and it woz  in a tall glass with lots of fruit - but not the port you are drinking  -

I was learnt it with oporto locals many years ago amazing scenes  - I was a young man - and I found white port too    SACRILEGE !!!

well that's where it started for me, a holiday as child to Portugal & sumptuous slurpings of all things good with dinner

let's join the tory party - boris is not that far from me for dinner etc

ah Boris, he was pretty quiet today. He's got his base support (& it's a plenty) but he wouldn't get in my cabinet. I think i'd use him in some other Ambassadorial capacity

Hornet -   I have now officially fallen out with you.  Boris is a darling but that bitch got in first  argh!!!!!!!!

along with you, has also been crossed off my christmas card list.

Middle East peace advisor Bap.
Watched his interview on the Politics Live Special show, not the Boris of old. Seemed subdued.

there is only two options left.
crash out or stay.
1 too late for a referendum thats gone now
2 delay brexit.thats gone now ,EU will only delay 29th if the UK agree to stay.
3 general election will not change the rules but they can suspend the withdrawal date until new government is formed but rules remain the same.
so its crash out or stay in,if they ask the public they will still be too late with the result.
so the only answer is a general election with a referendum vote on the same date and hope the people vote to stay in,then the EU will talk.

the law says we leave on the 29th march

hope to have been of help

of course they could pull a flanker and say lets have another vote on the theresa deal,may sound crazy but went the realise the other options they just might change their minds by cross party voting,may be worth a punt at 1000/1

thats called crash out.

and end up being a third world country that wont  pay their debts ,can't see the WTO agreeing a deal with a country like that.

here is the way i see the betting 4/5 remain,11/10 crash out 1000/1 second vote on theresa's deal

latest betting
4/5 remain
11/10 crash out
SECOND VOTE ON THERESA DEAL 1000/1-800/1-600/1 500/1-350/1,200/1,100/1,66/1,50/1,33/1,20/1,14/1,12/1,10/1,8/1,

Mr Bula; spot on! My original thought is Tehran

Jan 15, 2019 -- 11:55PM, moisok wrote:

the law says we leave on the 29th marchhope to have been of help

Mo is correct.

"Suck it up", I believe to be the popular term

if only. The 'elite' including Bercow; will have none of that & will probably push us onto a 2nd ref. Which beggars the question i fell asleep thinking on: Just what is the point? No point in any ref, no point in any 'meaningful'(contradictory word) vote, no point in votes of N/C, no point in voting for anything when it means zilch to the 'elite' The fact that this morning; the ogre is still eating her breakfast in No 10, should not be lost on any citizen of the UK

What next?

In the short-term nobody knows and you're a liar if you claim you do.

In the longer term, I believe we are witnessing an enormous change, probably for the worst, in society.

However you voted in the last referendum, Leave or Remain, you have been told you're vote doesn't count. Literally, you have been told that, over the past couple of years by any number of MP's in terms like 'People didn't vote to be worse off.....people voted to curb immigration..... etc.

They have, basically, p1ssed down your necks and told you it was raining, playing politics, reducing everything to 'the deal', jockeying for power, either as the Government (Labour) or Leader of the Tory party (Johnson, Gove, Raab, Hunt etc). They've basically done whatever they wanted, bar leaving the EU and told us it was in our interest.

The relationship between the electorate - who mandated one thing (yes a very painful, seismic thing therefore one best attacked immediately, to deliver certainty of purpose and direction) and a Parliament that have delivered....well....ummm... - has been irretrevably broken.

So we have no fith in our political system or the filth that populate it.

Alongside that, we have a loss of faith in the mass-media, to tell us anything approaching the truth. They have colonised language to the point where 'cliff edge', 'crash out', 'no deal' 'extreme right' etc are now accepted lingua franca of the dissemination of news, with any pretence at impartiality thrown out of the window.

The BBC are the biggest culprits in this. Buy The Guardian, The European, The Mail or The Sun and you know what you are getting - and that is your prejudices re-enforced. The BBC still maintains it has some degree of impartiality (read it's risible 'Why You Can Trust The BBC' section on its website and then compare it with what they feed you daily), unable to recognise its own connivance in a social engineering project no one signed up to.

You lose faith in too many of the big support structures you've (maybe subconciously) believed in all your life and then you really have opened up Pandora's Box.

We can see it already. Extremism (not just political but, exacerbaed by social media, the need to take up extreme positions, just to be heard), violence, self-centredness rather than 'collective-centredness' (for want of a better term.

Where this ends, I have no idea and you may say this is an over-reaction and I'm wrong and you may be right (in the interests of the balance and moderation I've been hinting at as 'the answer' throughout this, well, it's an essay now really isn't it?)

But if I'm thinking this, how many others are too?

like i uttered. & what you have correctly distended "What's the point" If we were French, there would be anarchy on the streets this morning. We are not; & we have to listen to the exact same MM that have been telling us for months that if May loses her 'baby' vote by "Around a 100" her position would be untelable & indefinable. She was vanquished by 230 votes & the MM are gobsmacked she's not resigned. Why? she has proven all along to be Narcissus's long lost sister, why didn't they see this coming? I never heard one single report or statement asking "what if" Did they all think she would fall on her sword? Or were they scared to ask the question? The latter for me, i am really disquieted & perturbed at the lack of venom she receives. I live in a world where a club is called a club, & yet the peoples only real chance to question the status quo is wasted on a MM that venerates a despot like May & crucifies a man who has the audacity to touch a womans leg. The most important vote in my, or anyone elses on heres lifetime    & which produces the largest vote shellacing in the history of a sitting government & what's she doing today? Pacing bags? well yes, but Flying to Brussels with them. I repeat; what is the point

I think we can assume that Corbyn's vote of no confidence will fail tonight in which case May will have won 3 votes of confidence of different sorts in the course of a month or so. Not sure what that says myself but Theresa will feel it justifies her carrying on.

A loss of 230 is no longer considered a loss at this point in time, its just a bump in the road

A loss of 350 wouldn't have made a slight bit of difference either, they've made it all about the backstop and if she gets that from the EU she'll get a deal through

And it just goes to show what a show it all is, May with no mandate, no majority, can't get sod all through parliament, yet survives confidence votes left and right

Its a joke

She wins the confidence vote by about 50 tonight, which will confirm she's not got a pot to p*** in when it comes to having a majority in the voting booth

But she along with the MSM will hail it as a massive boost to her credibility

She should actually lose the vote tonight

There more against her than with her at this stage, 650 votes?

So she should be losing with a 400-250 vote split (if that is how the voting works?)

Yet she'll win 350-300 and its like where have those votes that were against her last night gone

A 50 vote win should mean she is forced out but wont be

It'll be more like 20. I think all the Tories will vote for her plus the DUP but everybody else will vote no confidence. The only thing May MIGHT be able to get through the Commons is something like Norway which much of the Labour Party and possibly the SNP and Lib Dems would settle for ( assuming the EU would which can't be taken for granted ) but the ERG plus would split the Tory Party on that which is why May won't talk to Corbyn.

do I detect a hint of panic in some eu spokespersons???  Germany suddenly realising what a no deal could do to them.

Anyway - two years to sort it and nothing fixed.  But then they always knew we wouldn't vote for brexit so they were never prepared for it.
Now look at the sh!t situation - not that she wanted to leave anyway

Off to see her kissing cousins I guess.

If you seriously think the EU are panicking wtf do you think we are doing ?

Mr Spray; just to confirm, when you asked me yesterday who i wanted to sit in power if May went, i did answer you with a name?

Remind me.

Jan 16, 2019 -- 11:11AM, salmon spray wrote:

It'll be more like 20. I think all the Tories will vote for her plus the DUP but everybody else will vote no confidence. The only thing May MIGHT be able to get through the Commons is something like Norway which much of the Labour Party and possibly the SNP and Lib Dems would settle for ( assuming the EU would which can't be taken for granted ) but the ERG plus would split the Tory Party on that which is why May won't talk to Corbyn.

20 is a monumental victory at this point

50 and she'll be back flipping out of there and into the car waiting outside

Corbyn will be looking for the nearest bathroom

I said a HINT of panic

doesn't matter Mr Spray

The problem the Tories have is that however bad May is it's either her or some other lightweight like Javid or Hunt. Johnson on one side,Rudd on the other would actually lose on a vote of no confidence brought by Labour as a number of Tory MPs (not the same ones)would vote against them.

I don't think you're overreacting, we're definitely seeing an increasing polarisation of society, fuelled in a large part by the closing down and demonising of thoughts and expressions that don't fit in with a particular way of thinking. I.e the direction the elite want us to take for their sole benefit.

She's still talking as if the vote is to be voted on

Who is going to get up and drag her out?

You lost the vote last night duck

Are we watching an alternate universe here? whereby things that have happened no longer happened

Losing the referendum and subsequently losing the vote by a record margin has clearly had an adverse effect on her mental state .
In any other walk of life she would be assessed and told to go home and rest for an indefinite period of time while a colleague takes over her duties .

I say, Corbyn just accused her of "Being in denial" What is the House coming to when the leader of the opposition uses such tone against a screaming hair shirted narcissus of a PM. Words fail me

She still thinks she can get that deal through

Has anyone told her she lost and lost by a record margin?

In any other job she'd have escorted from the premises a long time ago

Whoever her handlers are are taking the absolute p*** here, they've got the front of the dover cliffs I give them that

the show must go on

ffs she,s the most transparent politician  in history if she,s up against it ,loses a vote she tells a lie to move the story on, again l;ast night lied about talking to opposition parties ,then adds from the safety of no 10 but only to thoise who agree with her red lines, she,s a serial liar

The last Tory PM who split the party properly was Peel and his reputation is quite high.
May probably should read a bit of history.

another pointless debate going on now i am going for a swim

She wins a whopper 325 to 306, a massive 19 vote victory

She's doing a winning lap around the chamber as we speak

Correct me if I'm wrong but that still isn't a majority in the chamber?

325 would fail to get anything passed if all of them voted?

If she had a shred of decency left in her she'd walk

If she truly loved this country like she says she does she's resign, she should resign out of shame tbh

at least she won one vote

Shows what a spineless bunch of sh*** reside over that side of the chamber though

They'll vote her plan down, but wont vote to get rid of her

What a stupid thing to say.

How could anyone believe she would walk and let the clown facing her take over ???????

Typical of the spivs saving their squalid little skins

they want talks about talks about sums it up

We knew she wouldn't walk but this is getting ridiculous

She only survives these votes because they don't want to give up their seats ffs

They wont vote with her when it matters

what would the dup have done if labour had used a bit of imagination last night and abstained letting the vote pass and tory party, dup,2nd reffs,remoaners up the creek without a paddle,
we could be looking at a GE tonight if they had

what would the dup have done if labour had used a bit of imagination last night and abstained letting the vote pass and tory party, dup,2nd reffs,remoaners up the creek without a paddle,
we could be looking at a GE tonight if they had

Should be a GE anyway, a 19 vote margin isn't exactly a win is it

We know May thinks it is, she's doing back flips in the living room

Would it not have been wonderful, just for once that the cowards put their country first. JRM could have convinced enough of his members to abstain & she would have lost. A complete new beginning for British politics would have emerged and the cabinet would have been punch drunk.Yes; it may have lead to a GE but so what? The tories would win that anyway. Do they ever see the other side of the hill?

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Would it not have been wonderful, just for once that the cowards put their country first. JRM could have convinced enough of his members to abstain & she would have lost. A complete new beginning for British politics would have emerged and the cabinet would have been punch drunk.Yes; it may have lead to a GE but so what? The tories would win that anyway. Do they ever see the other side of the hill?

Fwiw, I think Labour would win a General Election and the tory MP's with their vote of confidence tonight believe the same. Voters will not forgive this governments shambles of a Brexit over the last couple of years and she is only in now thanks to the DUP after thinking she would win easy last time. I think Corbyn would win quite comfortably.

welcome HGS. I don't agree obviously, the reason being the man you named. It would scare the living daylights out of any Tory even contemplating changing their vote. Another leader & maybe it would be different. Pretty close on the betting front as well; but that would change with either party putting forward new blood

You have two things to look forward in the future - The jackboot of the eu gestapo stomping down on your neck and the farce that is called VAR in soccerball.  It could wreck footy as we know it.

And before the last election Bap, I would have agreed with you. I was amazed he pulled in as much of the vote as he did. Where I am from has generally been a pretty solid Tory seat, but Labour won here. I actually think if the vote happened again tomorrow, Labour would retain and win other Tory seats. I can only see the value of Tory stock taken a further dive after the shambles of the last couple of years, especially in areas where their MP has totally ignored the local referendum result for their own beliefs.

We don't need VAR for betfair to **** things up, the incompetents managing their systems keep clearing the bets now as soon as anything happens long before anything is confirmed. Useless. Did it again tonight in FA cup game.

I know - I have been doing some italian and other games with var  - they are playing on and the commentators saying things like  - they are looking to see if it was a penalty (eg handball etc)  AND THEY ARE STILL FKN playing  - it does my head in !!!

HGS; i can agree with most of that; his core base is pretty solid & Wales surprised me in the last GE. I do feel however (not withstanding she may be lying again) as May won't be running; a lot would depend on the Tory against him.

I understood it was to cover blatant c0ck ups etc but it's not  - it is going to be every single detail of a match

the derby goal declared as offside after a 2 minute wait  - and they don't like it in the studio either.  couldn't be more than an inch or two if it was even offside.  There will be as much controversy over incidents with var as there is now over offsides etc etc now.

A lot would matter on who the next leader would be. A lot would also depend on those standing again excuses for ignoring their constituents since the last election and the electorate buying it. Especially in the major leave areas.

I HATED var during the world cup and had many rants about it on the FB forum, for me it ruined the world cup and especially the betting. The amount of ridiculous soft penalties any time ball played man (arm) in the box and so on, even thinking about it makes me angry.

Caroline Flint was on BBC 2 late last night and what a breath of Fresh Air she was. What an intelligent sensible woman.
It reminded me that there are still people in Labour that aren't useless, just none of them would be (or want to be) in a shadow cabinet with a communist POS like Corbyn.

JC in love with the still fancieable Ms Flint.
Incidentally if Moggy and co were consistent and voted no confidence they wouldn't bring down the govt,just May. Under Cameron's legislation they could just find another leader. But they can't of course.