10p a plastic bag!

a lot of the plastic wrapping  isn't allowed in the recycling bin either ..and that's on everything 

correct. Maybe this topic is now getting somewhere

Should be £1 a bag, imo.

well it was

we are all using more plastic bags now than we did when they were free

Agree, £1 each a more serious statement to Joe and Harriet public, I did get caught out 2x when leaving bags in the car at checkout.

I've a binliner full of supermarket bags.  Great for putting the trash out!

Generally I use a rucksack, boxes or a Bag For Life.

Wouldn’t matter if they were £10 at the supermarket , we are still using more than when they were nothing

There’s trilby is still using plastic bags

what about the disabled; pensioners and infirm who rely on home deliverys - you want to charge them £1 a bag?

Home deliveries? one certain crowd pay you to give them bags back,why not all of them?
Re-use bags or pay the price,feck pensioners and the rest using a bag once.

pensioners don’t throw them into the street

one do, yes if you spend £40 a pop with them. Of the cheaper ones, Asda £25 spend a delivery, no refund!

Dec 27, 2018 -- 4:04PM, lfc1971 wrote:

There’s trilby is still using plastic bags

Only cause I always keep them

neither does  trilby , he uses them because they are essential and we need them

I also always carry a couple spare in my rucksack.

There you go :)

Delivery, there's a choice of plastic or paper bags. Anyway a more friendly environment will be appreciated by future generations.

Another thing, LFC, I burn my trash too

Tesco used to deliver with paper bags.  They don't appear to these days.  Odd

the simple fact is this , no one here is using less plastic bags than ever before

Ireland has been charging 50 cent a bag i'm sure for years,as much as i think cynically in regards a goverment sneaky tax,i would be a 100% behind it environment wise

Waitrose and Ocado do even Sainsbury if stipulated prior online.

it is the misuse of the plastic that is the problem , that’s worse now than before , how come ?

If you bring your groceries home in a plastic bag you can use it to line your kitchen bin , that’s envirinmentalky  friendly

impossible123; paper bags are only used for veg and fruit, are they not?

not reusable , much more expensive to transport and produce and in essence more environmentally harmful than plastic bags ( as long as they are not thrown into the street )

the reusable plastic bag can be a cause of disease?

so let me get this straight; there are people on here who see no problem with charging the more unfortunate in this society £1 - or more for a plastic bag? Add this to a weekly-fortnightly=monthly shop?How would you feel if betting tax was returned at 10%?

Paper bags for veg and fruits, tins and other personal stuff eg toothpaste, jars, bottles, etc. I'm using more small soft degradeable bags (those for veg in supermarkets) for small trash before putting them into bin bags for collection. I certainly have cut down enormously on plastic bags since they were no longer free. We all need to do our bit, no matter how small.

How would you feel if betting tax was returned at 10%?

I'd emigrate.

Where to? Pakistan or Iraq?

If plastic bags are so bad, just ban them. This government is a one trick pony, anything bad, their answer is to tax it.

Where to? Pakistan or Iraq?

What % betting duty do they have?

it's more of the result is known first sort of tax

It has to stop or at least slow dramatically baphornet,correct measures in place and i won't for myself complain if it rose.

are there more plastic bags being produced than ever before ?
Yes , because we can’t get them at our supermarket for free we have to buy them from there or somewhere else
That’s all

I'd not trust the Talibans organising betting events let alone betting. Maybe Turkey, best to ask Erdogan.

I remember greengrocers only had small paper bags for their produce. Now, do not have a clue as I'd not been to one for years.

are there more plastic bags being produced than ever before ?
Yes , because we can’t get them at our supermarket for free we have to buy them from there or somewhere else
That’s all

Dec 27, 2018 -- 4:38PM, Baphornet wrote:

so let me get this straight; there are people on here who see no problem with charging the more unfortunate in this society £1 - or more for a plastic bag? Add this to a weekly-fortnightly=monthly shop?How would you feel if betting tax was returned at 10%?

What's wrong with re-using a plastic bag?

Simply take one with you when you go shopping

pa lapsy; i agree with your sentiment but unfortunately its wasted on this.

trilby is correct

The plastic bags are one thing,you get say tomatoes or mushrooms and they come in a plastic punnet wrapped up in a plastic film,probabably a way more plastic than some bags per se.

Thanks Baphornet,you are a hell of a nice fella.

trilby; how would that work if housebound? I've already asked are reusable bags a maybe a cause of disease?

All reusable bags have the increased danger of disease

Plastic bags are better because of that as well

i wasn't being offensive, pa lapsy. I've already stated on here that the problem is far bigger than supermarket bags. So another tax on the poor is very unnecessary

Common sense would prevent a plastic bag becoming hazardous shirly, Bap?

I reuse (most) freezer bags by inverting them and allowing them to dry in my airing cupboard.

If housebound, simply tick the "without bags" option when ordering online.

a lot of supermarkets only sell packaged items too  ..take Lidl ,no loose  vegetables  ..all shrink wrapped  ..all other stores slacking too

I didn't think for a second you were Bap,it does have to stop though,this generations legacy to the next is what it will be judged on down the line and frankly "we" are making a balls of it.

May i just say (sorry) that a decent ratio of the Tory vote is the elderly; they may be sorry come the next election if what i'm hearing is true

That's unfortunate, but necessary at times though. Maybe not so with mushrooms fruits like mangoes perhaps because some shoppers have a habit of squeezing and causing bruising rendering them unsaleable.

we are indeed; but i i'll restate my point much to the annoyance of others on here, taxing the unfortunate is not the way to go

* to pa lapsy

the without bags is a major issue to some, for obvious reasons, trilby

Coachbuster; the list is endless. It's such an epidemic that putting a waterproof plaster (there you go - plasters) on a cancer means nothing

Not sure you can differenciate,whether old, poor,unfortunateor whatever it is the user of the bag as such the price is on,it isn't imo wrong,re use bags as said before,simply has to be done.

& to charge more for the privilege is obscene to me

with all due respect, pa lapsy if that was the case why don't we just snuff out the infirm & save the whales instead

Becoz the whales won't vote tory.

Because ar4eholes are going getting their shop without bags and expecting to pay nothing for them,moaning when they have to and not giving two fecks to the non biodegradable material thay are feckin into landfill,mise le meas

you're losing me pa lapsy?

Bap, what's wrong with reusing a bag and how is it taxing the poor?

i've already answered both points you make, trilby

Okay.  Peace man "spliff emiji"

emoji, or whatever these are called

Anything that is free has tended to be less appreciated and abused eg our NHS. A £1 charge for a plastic bag is good merely to show the Irish we are doubly more serious than them to have a friendlier environment for our future generations.

i like you trilby however; your taste in ladies worries me greatly

Sorry Bap,i got a bit emotive, i do think the planet is suffering by plastic,it has to be cut,tax bags and everything and cut down on it, it is a huge problem and not getting smaller

come on pa lapsy i sense a

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pa lapsy; nothing wrong with being emotive and thank you for your contributions on this important topic. I understand fully your feelings as they are mine as well; but this is not the answer; or even a small part of it

i'm not like that (much), i try a bit myself, i don't want no dolphins or whatever going around with a load of plastic inside them,that is all

@ trilby

and neither do i, pa lapsy & i very much doubt anyone else on here does either

I can't give you the answer bap but it is up to people in general to try.

it indeed is, pa lapsy. But as i think. as you must know, we humans have a pretty abysmal record of copulating everything up. And as for politicians; well i'd best leave it there for now

i will leave you all with a small question (and thanks to all for the chat tonight) Where did you 1st here about plastic pollution and when?

When I saw them in abundance at landfills and rivers over a decade ago. Now it's virtually every where.

I think it is a good idea, not sure it will make that much difference.

In answer to previous posts, I hear about plastic pollution from animal charities, plastic harms wild animals no end.

I would like to see it dealt with'

We can pay for plastic bags with plastic money now.

We had biodegradeable paper money, now we have plastic.

Look upon this land and despair.

The basic problem is that most people don’t give a xxxx about the planet.
I’m now 60 and have never dropped a piece of litter and recently have been down one of our local lanes cleaning up litter (35 bin bags worth).
In a few months it will be as bad as ever, no doubt.

Used packaging has no value ... that is the problem.
The price of any commodity should factor in the cost of recycling its packaging and the tax should be ring fenced to deal with it.

Still, Bach, I don’t think you get it. My ageing mother is quite capable of re-using plastic bags and deems “wicked” those who do not.
Surely those you speak of could manage with a couple of bags for life?

RacingCert; not all of them, no. but congrats to your mother and your good self for going at it and trying to make a difference. There is a logistical issue, plus a monetary one, and imo an ethical one. When you add all that up and ask people to pay for it's inception, and to me quite obvious failure to make any difference whatsoever to the problem, then i say no sir - not me. I can also assure you i do "get it" & so please read all i've posted on here & maybe you will change your opinion.

SOULDANCER; you sir are very much dancing to my tune!

i think this topic needs livening up. Why not just ban plastic bags in supermarkets all together?

Baph,
So which is it?
Ban, 5p or free?

Are you trying to confuse me?

the clue is in the 1st seven words, RacingCert

OK. So you have reverted to your original view.
Fair enough.

good grief; ok refer to me to where & when i said ban, 5p or free?

12:30

i was asking a question in correltion with my attempt to liven the debate up! You did see the question mark? Now the 5p & free? Btw; you're not related to lfc are you?

When stuff is free, people overuse it without thought as to whether they need it or not.  The nominal charge on plastic bags is about changing mindset and behaviour - since the charge, I bring my own bag every time I go to the supermarket, whereas in the past I'd just grab as many as I needed and toss them in the bin; it's as simple as that.  In France, they don't even have plastic bags available in supermarkets - only the big permanent bags that are a couple of euros each.

imo, exactly the same principle applies with the NHS.  If they charged £1 for a GP appointment and A&E visit, then all those who use those expensive services frivolously and thoughtlessly would stop and think about whether they really need them.   Of course, you'd not apply to certain people, say the over 70's and those blue lighted into A&E.  The savings to the NHS would be billions.
And if you think I'm talking rubbish, then that's exactly what happened in Cyprus a few years ago.  They introduced a small charge for GP and A&E services (OK it was €10) but usage dropped by about 80%.  I genuinely think this is the best policy you could possibly apply to the NHS, which would clear away many of the time wasters and malingerers and free up the service for those that genuinely need it.

Crikey!
This is hard work isn’t it?
I was merely trying to make sense out of your comments.
Your question I interpreted as a statement. You’ve wriggled out of that one.
Did you want them free for the elderly and infirm, i’m really not sure.
And as for 5p we have your boycott.

Clear as mud.

not the time or place to go into the NHS, Danno but destroying management consultant costs & overspending on all clerical staff; including training (35 million set aside already for training) would alleviate some of the issues as well

RacingCert ask lfc, in fact give him a nudge to explain what it means. As for your comments, i now take them as damn rude & as such they're of no need. Now if you can understand half of what you obviously think you can, how about a Cert for this afternoon? Maybe you are more attuned to the gambling side of these forums?

Danno

Did they charge the fee whether you saw the doctor or not?

Think the idea suggested here was to charge for making an appointment, if you turned up then you got a refund, if not then you paid the fee.

When I'm sitting at my GP they have an information screen and it shows the amount of 'did not shoes' for appointments for the month and its usually around the 300/400 mark.

Baph,
There was no intention to be rude.
I apologise if it came over that way.
And as for a cert ...there is no such thing.

Some of us are still poles apart!

I haven't read all of this thread but....


Tesco have been selling their white plastic bags for 10 pence for well over a year.

well done Tesco
(I don't shop there)

When this earth is finally done....about 6 billion years?

It will be a ball of rock....covered in plastic, bags, cup, straws the lot.

There cannot ever have been life on Mars we have not found any plastic bags...yet