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i can't see any topics on this gem of a politician & wise leader of party; so does anyone have any thoughts on his 'ability' superintend. And i do not mean his garden
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wont hang around long confirming labour party manifesto and the policy of labours biggest backing trade union
chuckit and co think threy,ll get rid of jezza and his policies and keep all those who voted for him in the tent with their remain agenda, think they need to look at the libdems result at the last election
chuckit and co think threy,ll get rid of jezza and his policies and keep all those who voted for him in the tent with their remain agenda, think they need to look at the libdems result at the last election
She is not the problem , the problem is Corbyn and the Labour Party and the remainers
she is doing a very difficult job , but they making it almost impossible
she is doing a very difficult job , but they making it almost impossible
There’s a real lack of potential leaders Baphornet. It’s a really depressing picture.
The problem is Corbyn’s cult followers are like Trump’s - they see what they want and are unable to be level headed and accept his failings.
The problem is Corbyn’s cult followers are like Trump’s - they see what they want and are unable to be level headed and accept his failings.
why would he support mays deal and deliver Singapore on sea that the tory brexiteers want, mays deal can produce the closest relationship with the EU OR SINGAPORE ON SEA ,THATS THE POINT IT ISNT A DEAL
If May had managed to get a good deal she’d be able to get it through parliament because her party is in Government you complete half wit.
It has nothing to do with the opposition at all.
It has nothing to do with the opposition at all.
You can't trust anyone who is as far to the left as Corbyn.
Arguing with LFC is like trying to teach a wild animal to drive a car.
Without a shadow of a doubt the most stupid person I’ve ever come across.
Without a shadow of a doubt the most stupid person I’ve ever come across.
1st poster when labour win an election they can bring in whatever policies they wish
That’s how it works
That’s how it works
Eboue you fool , labour would never vote for any deal no matter what
Unless it keeps us in the EU
Unless it keeps us in the EU
LABOUR GOT 40% OF THE VOTE promising to enact Brexit at an election less than 18 months ago,you might have missed that election
Studyform; i respect your opinion, and what you have to say - normally. But you have got this topic & me wrong. Quoting what the media think of Corbyn has nothing to do with this topic. I asked for this forum and his supporters opinions without any tuppence from me. The fact that not many contribute to this topic or his defence; has more to do with the man himself i would suggest?
May to her credit understands it is her fundamental duty to leave the EU and uphold the referendum
I’ll keep this simple for the forum clown.
If May’s deal was supported unanimously by her OWN PARTY and the DUP it wouldn’t matter if every single Labour MP voted against it.
Do you not understand basic mathematics as well as being as thick as two short planks?
If May’s deal was supported unanimously by her OWN PARTY and the DUP it wouldn’t matter if every single Labour MP voted against it.
Do you not understand basic mathematics as well as being as thick as two short planks?
nonsense, and more impotantly you know it's nonsense, lfc
Eboue if there are ***** in the Labour Party I am quite sure there are ****** in the Tory Party also
Now stop acting the simpleton
Now stop acting the simpleton
It’s time we stopped replying to him. He’s obviously spouting nonsense because he enjoys it.
Lfc1971 says things like trump,just says something random and hope he gets lucky,most of the time like trump talks utter sh1te..
Good analogy giggilo.
They’re very similar. Thick and outspoken.
They’re very similar. Thick and outspoken.
Mr Eboue; it's not just the Labour Party who has a dearth of potential leaders. The whole chamber does. A more motley crew has never gathered under that roof
Spot on Baphornet.
Who are the inspiring MPs out there? Very few and far between unfortunately.
Who are the inspiring MPs out there? Very few and far between unfortunately.
@MrEboue I doubt there is any deal that would get 100% support within the Tory MPs.
And btw that's how it should be. This should be a free vote and not one on party lines.
And btw that's how it should be. This should be a free vote and not one on party lines.
Dec 23, 2018 -- 6:30PM, Baphornet wrote:
Studyform; i respect your opinion, and what you have to say - normally. But you have got this topic & me wrong. Quoting what the media think of Corbyn has nothing to do with this topic. I asked for this forum and his supporters opinions without any tuppence from me. The fact that not many contribute to this topic or his defence; has more to do with the man himself i would suggest?
Bap, The point I'm trying to make is, that the information everyone has about Corbyn, comes from the press/media.
It is twisted information. As I said a week or so ago, there is even a company (supposed, but not, charity) which s being paid for with TAXPAYERS money which exists to discredit Corbyn.
As a result and based on hardly any accurate information about Corbyn being available unless really searched for, the answer you will get on this forum will be equally inaccurate.
Tbf, there's plenty of response to the topic. 95% of it totally predictable.
One thing you must never allow anyone with a scrap of socialism to be head of the Labour party - this is breaking with tradition ho ho
Studyform, it's the likes of you i want to give a formative opinion! Can't you see that? I don't care what some think tank gets up to or who's got 'todays' right wing agenda; i've seen a lot of anti-labour comment on here and i wanted someone/anyone to have a pop back, not by quoting some stupid Daily Mail tosh but by their own thoughts and feelings. If you feel outnumbered on here do you really thing the way forward is to clam up and let the majority rule? No, i don't think that's you; so how about a thought out and candid response about Corbyn and his party? I for one would like to hear it? I'm a tory ex-voter, but hell will freeze over before i would clam up and not call the nutcase, just exactly what she is - a fruit & nut. I've been calling her that to work colleagues-family and anyone who hasn't chinned me for over 12 months. I won't stop until she's gone; that's my 'laboured' point, Studyform; i don't know how you feel because you've given up on here & just snipe, as i don't know you away from here, i can only guess what you think. I like it on here (maybe you don't) there are some well-informed canny lads here; you may not agree with them; but at least respond properly. I know you can.
make of this what you will. It's copy from Rajeev Syal
Momentum activists and MPs from Labour’s left who have consistently backed Jeremy Corbyn have warned the leader’s decision to support Brexit even if there is a second referendum could demotivate campaigners and cost the party seats.
Their comments follow Corbyn’s interview with the Guardian on Saturday, in which he said he would recommend the party advocates Brexit in the event of a fresh vote and criticised EU laws on state aid, which he said blocked investment.
While Corbyn has already faced criticism from the centrist wing of his party, which has long been sceptical of his approach to Brexit, the expressions of dismay from his base will raise concerns of broader disillusionment with his strategy.
Labour passed a motion at its party conference in September that it would seek a general election as its first choice, but left open the option of supporting a second referendum.
Responding to the interview, Clive Lewis, the shadow Treasury minister who nominated Corbyn in 2015, wrote on Twitter that he has become increasingly worried by the number of left-leaning party members saying they could not campaign for a party manifesto offering Brexit at a snap election.
Retweeting comments from one campaigner in his constituency in Norwich, he wrote: “Have known this member for a good while. Solid comrade and local community campaigner. She’s not the first member to say this to me and it’s becoming a genuine concern.”
Lewis’s posting resulted in a furious exchange with George Galloway, the Brexiter and a friend of Corbyn for 30 years.
The former Respect MP wrote to Lewis on Twitter: “I think you’re the slippery two-faced intruiging [sic] scheming plotting coup-enabling deeply deeply untrustworthy **** mate.”
Lloyd Russell-Moyle, the Kemptown and Peacehaven MP and Corbyn backer, warned Labour would lose his and other seats in southern England if it supported Brexit.
“I’ve had hundreds of emails of good left remain voters, lifelong Labour who will not vote for us now,” he wrote on Twitter.
“If we back Brexit I’m gone in Brighton, it really is that bad, and it’s worse for other southern seats, we have hundreds that are abandoning us already and I had Ukip councillors in my area, but even those areas are wanting us to fight for remain. We need all seats to form gov.”
With Theresa May’s Brexit deal due to come back to parliament for a vote in the week beginning 14 January, anti-Brexit campaigners have used Corbyn’s latest statement to call for a special conference to discuss the party’s next steps.
Alena Ivanova, a Momentum activist and organiser for the anti-Brexit pressure group Another Europe is Possible, said the party’s policy passed at conference was the result of an unprecedented wave of support for a fresh referendum at Labour’s grassroots.
“It was a compromise, but the spirit of the policy is absolutely not for Labour to implement Brexit if it comes into office – it is to reject anti-migrant narratives and fight for a socialist Europe,” she said.
“The policy clearly states that if the government is confident it has negotiated a good deal, it should put it to the people. Why would that principle not apply to a Labour government?”
In the Guardian, Corbyn insisted his party would not try to overturn the result of the 2016 referendum. “You’d have to go back and negotiate, and see what the timetable would be,” he said.
“I think we should vote down this deal; we should then go back to the EU with a discussion about a customs union.”
Reinforcing these comments, Corbyn told the Sunday Mirror he did not foresee support for a second referendum in parliament.
When asked how he would vote in one – he voted to remain in the EU referendum – he told the newspaper: “It would depend what the question was – but we’re quite far from that anyway and I’m not sure there’s the support for it in parliament.
“The issue is protecting jobs, manufacturing and the rights and conditions we’ve got – not making us the bargain basement of Europe.”
He also said he will make sure May’s Brexit blueprint is defeated in the Commons. “I’m determined to hold this government to account, vote the deal down and reopen those negotiations,” Corbyn said.
A poll last week appeared to show Labour’s young supporters would leave the party in droves if it votes to back a compromise Brexit deal.
According to a YouGov poll of more than 5,000 people commissioned by the People’s Vote, Labour’s support among 18 to 29-year-olds is currently at 60%. However, if Labour backed a form of Brexit, support for Corbyn’s party among the young would halve to 33%.
Momentum activists and MPs from Labour’s left who have consistently backed Jeremy Corbyn have warned the leader’s decision to support Brexit even if there is a second referendum could demotivate campaigners and cost the party seats.
Their comments follow Corbyn’s interview with the Guardian on Saturday, in which he said he would recommend the party advocates Brexit in the event of a fresh vote and criticised EU laws on state aid, which he said blocked investment.
While Corbyn has already faced criticism from the centrist wing of his party, which has long been sceptical of his approach to Brexit, the expressions of dismay from his base will raise concerns of broader disillusionment with his strategy.
Labour passed a motion at its party conference in September that it would seek a general election as its first choice, but left open the option of supporting a second referendum.
Responding to the interview, Clive Lewis, the shadow Treasury minister who nominated Corbyn in 2015, wrote on Twitter that he has become increasingly worried by the number of left-leaning party members saying they could not campaign for a party manifesto offering Brexit at a snap election.
Retweeting comments from one campaigner in his constituency in Norwich, he wrote: “Have known this member for a good while. Solid comrade and local community campaigner. She’s not the first member to say this to me and it’s becoming a genuine concern.”
Lewis’s posting resulted in a furious exchange with George Galloway, the Brexiter and a friend of Corbyn for 30 years.
The former Respect MP wrote to Lewis on Twitter: “I think you’re the slippery two-faced intruiging [sic] scheming plotting coup-enabling deeply deeply untrustworthy **** mate.”
Lloyd Russell-Moyle, the Kemptown and Peacehaven MP and Corbyn backer, warned Labour would lose his and other seats in southern England if it supported Brexit.
“I’ve had hundreds of emails of good left remain voters, lifelong Labour who will not vote for us now,” he wrote on Twitter.
“If we back Brexit I’m gone in Brighton, it really is that bad, and it’s worse for other southern seats, we have hundreds that are abandoning us already and I had Ukip councillors in my area, but even those areas are wanting us to fight for remain. We need all seats to form gov.”
With Theresa May’s Brexit deal due to come back to parliament for a vote in the week beginning 14 January, anti-Brexit campaigners have used Corbyn’s latest statement to call for a special conference to discuss the party’s next steps.
Alena Ivanova, a Momentum activist and organiser for the anti-Brexit pressure group Another Europe is Possible, said the party’s policy passed at conference was the result of an unprecedented wave of support for a fresh referendum at Labour’s grassroots.
“It was a compromise, but the spirit of the policy is absolutely not for Labour to implement Brexit if it comes into office – it is to reject anti-migrant narratives and fight for a socialist Europe,” she said.
“The policy clearly states that if the government is confident it has negotiated a good deal, it should put it to the people. Why would that principle not apply to a Labour government?”
In the Guardian, Corbyn insisted his party would not try to overturn the result of the 2016 referendum. “You’d have to go back and negotiate, and see what the timetable would be,” he said.
“I think we should vote down this deal; we should then go back to the EU with a discussion about a customs union.”
Reinforcing these comments, Corbyn told the Sunday Mirror he did not foresee support for a second referendum in parliament.
When asked how he would vote in one – he voted to remain in the EU referendum – he told the newspaper: “It would depend what the question was – but we’re quite far from that anyway and I’m not sure there’s the support for it in parliament.
“The issue is protecting jobs, manufacturing and the rights and conditions we’ve got – not making us the bargain basement of Europe.”
He also said he will make sure May’s Brexit blueprint is defeated in the Commons. “I’m determined to hold this government to account, vote the deal down and reopen those negotiations,” Corbyn said.
A poll last week appeared to show Labour’s young supporters would leave the party in droves if it votes to back a compromise Brexit deal.
According to a YouGov poll of more than 5,000 people commissioned by the People’s Vote, Labour’s support among 18 to 29-year-olds is currently at 60%. However, if Labour backed a form of Brexit, support for Corbyn’s party among the young would halve to 33%.
I'm not particularly a fan, baphornet
I have no time for most politicians, especially the Tories. What I'm really trying to establish is that I cannot stand unfairness. It's quite probable that the best and possibly only decent government this country ever had, was Atlee's in 1945.
The anti-Labour comment you're seeing on here is pretty much the same as you'll see in most places online or in the press, for the reasons I've already stated.
I have given a measured response, in so far as I can. My links (in my 1st post) tell you what I think
I think Corbyn and his party would be better than the current (and previous 40 years of) government.
There is so much anti-Corbyn rhetoric in even Labour party circles and in the Guardian and from many of his own MPs, that the reality of what a Corbyn government would mean is lost in a pool of "anti" messages
I cannot say what you appear to want, on the basis that it is an unknown, I'm not "sniping". Just trying to establish a bit of balance.
All this notwithstanding the fact that any positivity about Corbyn, his party, his history or his (actual) record as an MP will be met with derision, arguing and heckling with the usual mob on here. As a consequence of this, you won't get what you want.
Lastly, fwiw, I think people are getting socialism confused with communism. They are NOT the same thing. Therein lies the issue.
I have no time for most politicians, especially the Tories. What I'm really trying to establish is that I cannot stand unfairness. It's quite probable that the best and possibly only decent government this country ever had, was Atlee's in 1945.
The anti-Labour comment you're seeing on here is pretty much the same as you'll see in most places online or in the press, for the reasons I've already stated.
I have given a measured response, in so far as I can. My links (in my 1st post) tell you what I think
I think Corbyn and his party would be better than the current (and previous 40 years of) government.
There is so much anti-Corbyn rhetoric in even Labour party circles and in the Guardian and from many of his own MPs, that the reality of what a Corbyn government would mean is lost in a pool of "anti" messages
I cannot say what you appear to want, on the basis that it is an unknown, I'm not "sniping". Just trying to establish a bit of balance.
All this notwithstanding the fact that any positivity about Corbyn, his party, his history or his (actual) record as an MP will be met with derision, arguing and heckling with the usual mob on here. As a consequence of this, you won't get what you want.
Lastly, fwiw, I think people are getting socialism confused with communism. They are NOT the same thing. Therein lies the issue.
Jeremy is correct about the EU they would try to block investment and also try to stop the re nationalising of the public utilities , this is outrageous and is why we should leave this private german bankers club
thanks for that, Studyform. Well i won't give up; it's not me. Unfairness is a way of life i'd like to change; isn't that Socialism? I don't see any change coming from my party, which is why i'm an ex-voter. Homelessness is my passion. I'm involved in some things at the moment where i live and i couldn't give 2 figs who brings about change. I will die trying to change the status quo.
You seem to rate Corbyn highly; or is it just that the rest are so diabolical? I feel deep down he is a good man; but he's damaged goods imo. He filled a void in the Labour Party and personally i think he has surprised his members by having such a strong base. Be careful what you wish for eh.
Being negative will not change anything on here, Studyform. From what i've seen there are some on here who just want to rattle cages; don't let them stop you speaking; you have been on here a lot longer than i have so you must know who they are. Don't let them stifle you.
There are many forms of Socialism and some i heartily agree with; i'm sure we would agree on some things. The things we wouldn't agree on would never stop me speaking civil to you. Isn't that Democracy? Don't let anyone silence you; however banal they are. Finally; i look forward to some more discussions in the future; i may even convince you of one or two things
You seem to rate Corbyn highly; or is it just that the rest are so diabolical? I feel deep down he is a good man; but he's damaged goods imo. He filled a void in the Labour Party and personally i think he has surprised his members by having such a strong base. Be careful what you wish for eh.
Being negative will not change anything on here, Studyform. From what i've seen there are some on here who just want to rattle cages; don't let them stop you speaking; you have been on here a lot longer than i have so you must know who they are. Don't let them stifle you.
There are many forms of Socialism and some i heartily agree with; i'm sure we would agree on some things. The things we wouldn't agree on would never stop me speaking civil to you. Isn't that Democracy? Don't let anyone silence you; however banal they are. Finally; i look forward to some more discussions in the future; i may even convince you of one or two things
John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, claimed that peace in Northern Ireland was achieved "because of the bravery of the IRA and they should be honoured." A statement for which he later made an inadequate apology. He also said "it was their bombs and bullets that brought Britain to the negotiating table."
The truth is, of course, it was the Anglo-Irish Agreement (opposed by Corbyn) and the Good Friday Agreement (opposed by McDonnell right up until the eleventh hour) which forced the IRA into a deal brokered by the SDLP (a party committed to attaining nationalism through the peaceful democratic means that John McDonnell had denounced for years).
As of today McDonnell has a plaque hanging in his office commemorating ten IRA terrorists. He accepted this award in 2004 from his friend, Gerry Kelly, the murderer who planted a bomb outside the Old Bailey in 1973 which killed one innocent bystander and injured two-hundred others. In 1983 Kelly escaped from HMP Maze, shooting a prison officer in the head with a gun which had been smuggled into the jail.
These anti-British traitors should not be permitted within ten miles of Westminster, let alone represent Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition. That fact in itself makes a mockery of our entire parliamentary system.
The truth is, of course, it was the Anglo-Irish Agreement (opposed by Corbyn) and the Good Friday Agreement (opposed by McDonnell right up until the eleventh hour) which forced the IRA into a deal brokered by the SDLP (a party committed to attaining nationalism through the peaceful democratic means that John McDonnell had denounced for years).
As of today McDonnell has a plaque hanging in his office commemorating ten IRA terrorists. He accepted this award in 2004 from his friend, Gerry Kelly, the murderer who planted a bomb outside the Old Bailey in 1973 which killed one innocent bystander and injured two-hundred others. In 1983 Kelly escaped from HMP Maze, shooting a prison officer in the head with a gun which had been smuggled into the jail.
These anti-British traitors should not be permitted within ten miles of Westminster, let alone represent Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition. That fact in itself makes a mockery of our entire parliamentary system.
And let us not forget the current shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott, who said in 1984 when speaking of the troubles in Northern Ireland "Every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us."
When questioned about this statement on The Andrew Marr Show, Abbott shamelessly replied: "It was thirty-four years ago, I had a rather splendid afro at the time. I don't have the same hairstyle, I don't have the same views.
When questioned about this statement on The Andrew Marr Show, Abbott shamelessly replied: "It was thirty-four years ago, I had a rather splendid afro at the time. I don't have the same hairstyle, I don't have the same views.
Jeremy is correct about the EU they would try to block investment and also try to stop the re nationalising of the public utilities , this is outrageous and is why we should leave this private german bankers club
And this is one of the reasons I hate Corbyn. He's had long held anti nuke views AND anti EU views but has been very quiet on the latter. If he was to get into power he would have no choice but to leave the EU so he could run the country the way he wants. Mummysmen to thick to realise that.
And this is one of the reasons I hate Corbyn. He's had long held anti nuke views AND anti EU views but has been very quiet on the latter. If he was to get into power he would have no choice but to leave the EU so he could run the country the way he wants. Mummysmen to thick to realise that.
The globally respected US human rights organisation, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, announced its top ten list of anti-semites this week. Guess who made number 4?
There's already been a post about that, you're late with the message.
Well, is it? I might have missed it. Or were you just trying to suppress facts you don't like again?
Here you go Torque-
community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31475305/why-are-the-left-so-full-of-hate?pg=1
community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31475305/why-are-the-left-so-full-of-hate?pg=1
Dear do the tory fanboys never give it a rest , day after day they waffle on about Corbyn , hang on dudes he is not in power your Spiv heroes hold office and what a pile of sh1te they are
Tbf, anxious I think it was. Corbyn fan who started this thread. But hey ho.
Granted we really have had appalling politicians as far back as I can remember. Red & blue.
Granted we really have had appalling politicians as far back as I can remember. Red & blue.
jeez - now i'm offended
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Thank you, Slicer. So the Weisenthal thing wasn't mentioned on this thread until my post then?
An uncomfortable fact for the Corbyn hero worshippers on here. The Simon Weisenthal Group is globally respected. Was it reported on the BBC 6 O Clock News?
An uncomfortable fact for the Corbyn hero worshippers on here. The Simon Weisenthal Group is globally respected. Was it reported on the BBC 6 O Clock News?
I'm astonished that so many of you (at least 2) read the Jerusalem post and are so up to date with the SImon Weisenthal ratings.
Unless, and I know this is unlikely (not), you were pointed in the direction of some anti Cornyn "news" from a (possibly) right-wing messenger somewhere on the internet.
There aren't all that many "Corbyn worshippers". It's more that there are Corbyn haters who like congratulating each other. They (you) just call anyone who doesn't instantly agree and join in the loathing a "Corbyn worshipper".
Still, if it makes you feel good about yourselves.
Unless, and I know this is unlikely (not), you were pointed in the direction of some anti Cornyn "news" from a (possibly) right-wing messenger somewhere on the internet.
There aren't all that many "Corbyn worshippers". It's more that there are Corbyn haters who like congratulating each other. They (you) just call anyone who doesn't instantly agree and join in the loathing a "Corbyn worshipper".
Still, if it makes you feel good about yourselves.
Labour's legacy - I give you Tower Hamlets. I was there today.
TH is the 2nd most densely populated borough in England. 15 564 people per sq km. Islington is number one.
I saw a Council advert saying: 'There are 41 000 EU nationals in Tower Hamlets and you have as much right to live here as anyone else.'
I saw homelessness, disgusting streets and a stench of fast food.
Labour could have solved the housing problems/homelessness in the East End at a stroke. Support for controlled immigration would have given places like Tower Hamlets a chance..
TH is the 2nd most densely populated borough in England. 15 564 people per sq km. Islington is number one.
I saw a Council advert saying: 'There are 41 000 EU nationals in Tower Hamlets and you have as much right to live here as anyone else.'
I saw homelessness, disgusting streets and a stench of fast food.
Labour could have solved the housing problems/homelessness in the East End at a stroke. Support for controlled immigration would have given places like Tower Hamlets a chance..
i see Tower Hamlets & it's like - Newham etc etc as the Banlieues of London. Eyesores that the powers that be couldn't give a flying fig about. At least we do now have something in common with the Frengh
The labour councils ,and the Labour Party what us their view on the Brexit referendum
Do they still want to force mass immigration into this country or will they uphold the wishes of the people of this country
Until then they should take down any placards
Do they still want to force mass immigration into this country or will they uphold the wishes of the people of this country
Until then they should take down any placards
Labour have run the East End for decades Study.
Jezza wants unlimited migration to continue thus meaning places like TH will get worse. Homelessness will get worse. Crime will increase.
There's more than enough housing in these areas if we didn't try and house half the world. As for your 1930s jibe, that's out of order.
Jezza wants unlimited migration to continue thus meaning places like TH will get worse. Homelessness will get worse. Crime will increase.
There's more than enough housing in these areas if we didn't try and house half the world. As for your 1930s jibe, that's out of order.
Studyform; i don't recall saying it was Labours fault? I said the "powers that be" & i meant politicians in general. You are starting to shoot before taking aim
I was replying to injera, baphornet.
Injera • December 27, 2018 4:27 PM GMT
Labour's legacy - I give you Tower Hamlets. I was there today
Injera • December 27, 2018 4:27 PM GMT
Labour's legacy - I give you Tower Hamlets. I was there today
Study - Tower Hamlets is a failure of both Govts. It's a failure of the multi culturalism experiment. It's a kick in the the teeth to the white working class of England.
Your man Corbyn (despite being anti EU) will make most of London, Manchester (add a city) like Tower Hamlets. And what's more, you know it.
As you know in the East End, Elizabeth Fry lived and worked her miracles. Barnardo ditto. His blue plaque there for all with eyes to see. The statues of William and Catherine Booth stand proud. So too that of Gladstone.
The amazing Cavell studied her medicine in Whitechapel.
Your Jezza will throw it all in the dustbin of history.
Your man Corbyn (despite being anti EU) will make most of London, Manchester (add a city) like Tower Hamlets. And what's more, you know it.
As you know in the East End, Elizabeth Fry lived and worked her miracles. Barnardo ditto. His blue plaque there for all with eyes to see. The statues of William and Catherine Booth stand proud. So too that of Gladstone.
The amazing Cavell studied her medicine in Whitechapel.
Your Jezza will throw it all in the dustbin of history.
Injera you ever drink in the Norfolk arms, the Horns or the Birdcage ?
No dan. Used to be the Black Lion at Plaistow, the Stanley and the Edinburgh (Green St) The Bow Bells also good!
I never claimed, that Corbyn was 'my man'. As I HAVE said, I tend to argue against dismissing him based on anti-corbyn rhetoric and news, virtually all of which is unproven and largely without foundation.
I know what the east end is about. I was born there, lived and worked there for 30 years, married and had loads of family there. There was always immigration in the east end. My school was about 50% white and that was in the early 70's.
Around the turn of the 20th Century it was mostly Jewish immigration, in the 50's and 60's Asian and African, many (most of the displaced Kenyan and then Ugandan Asians were sent to the East End.
Corbyn, to correct more of your post is no more able - nor I should imagine, desiring - to alter history. You have an irrational loathing, as so many others on here which has been partly based on stuff you're being told on a regular basis, but which is not happening in fact, as Corbyn hasn't actually been in power, or actually done any of the terrible things he's due to be doing.
Not my man, but I will argue to get him, or anyone else unfairly chastised a fair chance.
I know what the east end is about. I was born there, lived and worked there for 30 years, married and had loads of family there. There was always immigration in the east end. My school was about 50% white and that was in the early 70's.
Around the turn of the 20th Century it was mostly Jewish immigration, in the 50's and 60's Asian and African, many (most of the displaced Kenyan and then Ugandan Asians were sent to the East End.
Corbyn, to correct more of your post is no more able - nor I should imagine, desiring - to alter history. You have an irrational loathing, as so many others on here which has been partly based on stuff you're being told on a regular basis, but which is not happening in fact, as Corbyn hasn't actually been in power, or actually done any of the terrible things he's due to be doing.
Not my man, but I will argue to get him, or anyone else unfairly chastised a fair chance.
I think STUDYFORM that you do have to accept that he has been a rebel without a cause for many years. How many times did he go against his own party ? Yet when it really mattered he kept stum. Always been anti EU but he half heartedly supported the remain camp. Had he held to his beliefs and voted leave I strongly believe the margin would of been wider and we wouldn't find ourselves in the situation today. Someone on here earlier described him as a useful idiot which I think may be the case, I find McDonnell far more dangerous.
I actually think that disagreeing with "Party and Blair" is commendable.
Any amount of shtum he kept would have been, as are all the stories you recite about him now, would be entirely down to the amount of reporting done about him.
In fact I seriously doubt most of us had even heard of Corbyn 5 years ago, much less known about how much shtum he kept, or how much he argued.
Any amount of shtum he kept would have been, as are all the stories you recite about him now, would be entirely down to the amount of reporting done about him.
In fact I seriously doubt most of us had even heard of Corbyn 5 years ago, much less known about how much shtum he kept, or how much he argued.
Study - I have no ingrained hatred of Corbyn. This is a JC thread and I seriously question his politics.
If there's a May thread I would do the same.
If there's a May thread I would do the same.
STUDYFORM are they stories or facts. I looked up on Google all the statements Corbyn made over the years about the EU. He did talk to the IRA, now he likes to say that unless we talk we can't resolve things which of course you can't. Furthermore he points out that the government talked to them. Difference they were in power and could make decisions and deals where as he was just an opposition Labour back bencher with no say or authority
One thing I would say is he is not anti semitic in any shape or form. He does however hate the Israeli government which most of us can understand from time to time.
I agree he is not anti-Semitic. He, like many of his shadow cabinet and MPs just dislike Jews intensely. How much more proof does anyone need other than his own party's Jewish MPs say so. And who knows better, them or us? But the worst of the lot are the Jews who defend and support Corbyn. To use a current seasonal analogy-it's like turkeys voting for Christmas. But one can't help those who are too blind to see. And if anyone asks for proof-where have you been the last couple of years.
Not anti semitic but hates Jews 
am I missing something here ?
am I missing something here ?
study the Jewish people are worried about the membership of the Labour Party
The thread seems to be meandering a little.
The original thrust, I think, was Corbyn as a leader.
He seems to go awol a little to often.
He scuttled out of the chamber when the “stupid” thing happened and we get Barry Gardener, JM or Rebecca LB all more than him.
A leader for a section of Labour, yes, but little else.
Perhaps he is more old labour than a lot of people realise after all he is anti-EU, pro nationalisation and anti-Blair.
A great leader has to be a great communicator and, personally, I don’t feel that.
At the moment politics is a bit like the heavy weight boxing division. They are all avoiding a real fight. Perhaps because there can be no winners with Brexit.
Both May & Corbyn avoided the debate recently.
Any debate that happens will always be on the sitting party’s terms and Corbyn has to accept that challenge and if necessary fight with one hand behind his back.
The original thrust, I think, was Corbyn as a leader.
He seems to go awol a little to often.
He scuttled out of the chamber when the “stupid” thing happened and we get Barry Gardener, JM or Rebecca LB all more than him.
A leader for a section of Labour, yes, but little else.
Perhaps he is more old labour than a lot of people realise after all he is anti-EU, pro nationalisation and anti-Blair.
A great leader has to be a great communicator and, personally, I don’t feel that.
At the moment politics is a bit like the heavy weight boxing division. They are all avoiding a real fight. Perhaps because there can be no winners with Brexit.
Both May & Corbyn avoided the debate recently.
Any debate that happens will always be on the sitting party’s terms and Corbyn has to accept that challenge and if necessary fight with one hand behind his back.
Study-thank you for your polite response. This is how any discussion or debate should be carried out on these forums. Your view is diametrically opposed to mine and will never change and mine will never change. You say I just can't see it and I say you can't see it. Well, one of us is correct and time will tell which one. The problem will be if I am right, -I know I am- it will be too late for some of my friends, ex colleagues and one or two BetFairians if Corbyn is elected. He is a TERRIBLE leader to have allowed the Labour party to be even perceived as anti-Semitic. It has been written that 30% of Jews are considering emigrating if Corbyn is elected. Why? Answers on a postcard to Reichsführer Corbyn!
Now guys, I have to tell you that my time is limited, so its possible I won't ever know the answer. But as I have posted before, I am elderly, single and have no offspring so really it is not going to be a big problem for me how much further down the tubes the once Great Britain goes. Good luck all.
Now guys, I have to tell you that my time is limited, so its possible I won't ever know the answer. But as I have posted before, I am elderly, single and have no offspring so really it is not going to be a big problem for me how much further down the tubes the once Great Britain goes. Good luck all.
Corbyn is a liar, is a friend of terrorists, is leader of an anti-Semitic political party, has a Marxist as Shadow Chancellor, has Diane Fatbot as Shadow Home Secretary who doesn't know what police are paid, and has publicly stated he would not push the button to defend Britain. All facts
That's a pretty good appraisal of Corbyn from Slicer.
The fact that people on here are so ready to defend an anti-Semite who is a candidate for PM, is a disturbing thought for all decent minded people.
That's a pretty good appraisal of Corbyn from Slicer.
The fact that people on here are so ready to defend an anti-Semite who is a candidate for PM, is a disturbing thought for all decent minded people.
I'd dismiss STUDYFORM's opinions as fantasy.
He doesn't deal with facts, for if he did he wouldn't have a leg to stand on here.
He doesn't deal with facts, for if he did he wouldn't have a leg to stand on here.
Crippen day after day attacking Labour whilst turning a blind eye to the utter shambles that the spivs are
anxious, day after day defending the undefendable.
Show me evidence of a high profile anti-Semite in another mainstream political party and I'll attack them as well.
Show me evidence of a high profile anti-Semite in another mainstream political party and I'll attack them as well.
Perhaps STUDYFORM can attempt to do the same as I suggested for anxious, now he's back refreshed from his liquid lunch nap?
corbyn gave dianne abbott a position of authirity .......enuf said
study was spot on about the Atlee government. Since then how much has Labour achieved - mind you the tories and even blair have hacked it to bits!!
Atlee was against the UK joining the Common Market as well.
my party was always against it until we became gentrified and the kinnock clan advanced their cause (didn't they do well - but not the party)
until we get rid of these suits we have no chance - some of the place men and ludicrous lying figures STILL in the party we will go no where
until we get rid of these suits we have no chance - some of the place men and ludicrous lying figures STILL in the party we will go no where
another vote for Attlee from me (if we're voting) A great pragmatist; and as such a million% better than the quiescent PM we have to suffer this day
More of my posts deleted on here, sadly. I believe my censorship strike rate is approaching fifty percent of late, possibly a forum record?
that's not right, Pokermonster. Have a word with them?
Happy new year, Mr B. :)
I can't be bothered to go to all that trouble, sir. After a short ban (one month) a while ago, I was informed that some of my contributions had been reported by multiple users. On inspection it was found that none of my posts contained anything which contravened the published terms and my forum rights were quickly reinstated.
Make of that what you will, dear fellow. On the whole I prefer to regard such misguided censorship as a compliment. :)
I can't be bothered to go to all that trouble, sir. After a short ban (one month) a while ago, I was informed that some of my contributions had been reported by multiple users. On inspection it was found that none of my posts contained anything which contravened the published terms and my forum rights were quickly reinstated.
Make of that what you will, dear fellow. On the whole I prefer to regard such misguided censorship as a compliment. :)
are you hitting a trigger word or two?? I know I got banned for mentioning the younger persons high rate of involvement with a particular ethnic/quasi religion -
Happy New Year to you too sir. A damn fine way of looking at things, Mr P. More should take heed
ah you may have answered that - maybe I am wrong AGAIN ha ha
Jan 1, 2019 -- 2:25PM, Pokermonster wrote:
Happy new year, Mr B. :)I can't be bothered to go to all that trouble, sir. After a short ban (one month) a while ago, I was informed that some of my contributions had been reported by multiple users. On inspection it was found that none of my posts contained anything which contravened the published terms and my forum rights were quickly reinstated. Make of that what you will, dear fellow. On the whole I prefer to regard such misguided censorship as a compliment. :)
I've experienced much the same, PM
Happy new year to you, btw.
It's because the forum can be viewed and reported on without having to log in, believe it or not, that some twt trolls who can't actually use the place themselves and some others who can, with nothing better to do.
They have "agendas", have discovered that it isn't moderated, have a feeling of power and achievement and have ruined the forum (I know, I've mentioned it before).
I'm not sure that it's a compliment to be removed, because of those who are arranging it.
There are occasional helpful and sensible people working for BF who understand sense however, hence our reinstatements.
And you, bap.
I'm not on here as much as once I was, but at least I still use the forum.
I'm not on here as much as once I was, but at least I still use the forum.
Good. Never let them grind you down. Here's a quote you may like'
"My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular.”
"My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular.”
As per last months thread, I've had several attempts made at my forum life, as yet, I'm undefeated, aren't I Brian? as it turned out, he himself was banned from youtube as well 
you have to laugh.
you have to laugh.
In my normal life I wouldn't have considered myself as unpopular, but thanks for the quote, I think!
not my opinion, Studyform. Just what you tell me are your experiences on here?
ok; a new survey reveals Corbyn is at odds with 72% of his party on the 'Peoples Vote' Do the Labour voters on here agree with that survey? What are your feelings?
Had Corbyn of come out on the leavers side during the referendum the margin I feel would of been bigger than 52/48. He has long been anti EU so it's a bit late now for him to start holding on to his long held belief. What I dont get is how mummysmen think Corbyn will be able to run the UK as a socialist country when EU rules would prohibit him. Great for us normal people with the Labour leadership and the members at loggerheads 
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