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I was chatting with a friend earlier today and he told me that every so often he has to 'RESTART' his computer to ensure updates are configured. He shuts down every night but apparently his IT guys say that restart is different and shut down doesn't work in the same way; it doesn't fully update. I personally thought that was a load of bollox as surely a shut down and a restart do the same thing.
Am I wrong?
Am I wrong?
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Some software certainly does need a restart and there can be a good reason, normally it's a system file currently used that needs changed over the cycle. But unfortunately often it's just incompetence on the part of the programmers, like Adobe asking for a restart when there is no reason for it as it's not part of windows. (Huge organisation, if they can't work around that no wonder flash is famous for its security holes).
Shutdown and restart should be the exact same thing. What might confuse some people is that on some thing (like laptops) depending on the configuration (you can change what it does) hitting the power button might not actually shut down, it might go into a sleep mode or hibernate. But yes the IT guy imho is talking bolloxz, a proper restart is essentially a shutdown with an automatic start straight after. |
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Glad you agree JC. Thanks for your reply
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I think the It bloke is right. They are, obviously similar, but not the same. Google it.
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here's an IT question if anyone knows the answer
the right arrow key on my keyboard has inexplicably stopped working for no apparent reason, any quick and easy fix?...I have to hold shift and press 6 for the time being. |
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Turn keyboard over and give it a good thump as might be something stuck under it.
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Actually now I look further yes, counterintuitively he may be right, depends on settings and windows version but apparently if "fast boot" is enabled it can save some system state to file and use it over a shutdown / restart skip some stuff to try and load faster.
But .. does this affect installing updates? I know myself if I'm getting nagged for a restart and do a shutdown, it installs the updates as it shuts down and then does the rest of the crap on startup and it never makes ANY difference? Windows knows what dlls etc need replaced over the update cycle anyway... PS the "install updates on shutdown" is somehting I find annoying, it should ASK you if you want to install updates. I've seen myself need to go somewhere maybe for the weekend, try to turn the computer off, and it spends 20 minutes installing updates and I don't want to leave the computer on when I'm out.. |
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Is it a laptop keyboard or a normal one? I sometimes have ****ed keys onm a normal keyboard, you can prise them out and see if something is jamming it.
Last 2 for me were a seed and a bit of tin foil. Yes I eat and type, wanna make something of it! Hope there's not as much crap on my keyboard as a mcdonalds screen! https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/28/poo-found-on-every-mcdonalds-touchscreen-tested-8178486/ |
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Jc
Why not just turn off automatic updates when you don't want them to update? |
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laptop, not jammed, I'll work it out eventually
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Charlie I have the "security" updates auto installed. Thankfully at least I can do that on Windows 7.
Windows 10 won't let you turn off installing updates, and won't even let you decide what time of day it'll download them, which is just typical Microsoft arrogance now. I really am starting to hate that company, and it's their own fault for a constant "we always know best" attitude and forcing people to comply.. |
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JC
I'm also a Windows 7 person. Surely you can turn off auto updates in Windows 10: https://www.easeus.com/todo-backup-resource/how-to-stop-windows-10-from-automatically-update.html |
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Ok there are hacks and the go-to one for me would be to just stop the service but for your average user that sort of thing isn't they'd do. I'm trying to imagine explaining how to manipulate this sort of thing with a non geek..
And then you have to remember to restart the service if you do want updates, and start it just before you got bed if you want the (knowing microsoft huge) updates installed overnight. They SHOULD have it so (like older versions of windows) you can set a download time and state if you want them or not. The fact people have to hack around to work around it shows MS up.. Oh there's another beauty apparently with W10 updates. If you have more than one windows 10 PC at home you might enable the option so they can share upates with each other. Well apparently if you do that, MS can/will then start using YOUR PC as an update "server" for other people on the internet like a peer to peer download system, and use your internet upload bandwidth (which might well cost you money and of course slow your link down!). |
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I'd use Ubuntu if it weren't incompatible with printers, TV tuners etc.
I use a laptop for banking and I put Ubuntu on that. Never any trouble, just run the update occasionally to make sure you've got the latest set up. |