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Police adopting new tactics ie: knock the bar$tards off. Love to be in that squad.
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Can u Imagine trying to insure one with a London Post code 
Any one have a clue of the Premiums
Any one have a clue of the Premiums
Use to be a cheap and handy Mode of transport to an from your place of Work 
As for the delivery guys the Premium including Business or Courier Cover 
As for the delivery guys the Premium including Business or Courier Cover
Why is it people who advocate strict authoritarian rule don't realise they may be the first ones in custody.
As ever it will be a question of what constitutes reasonable force.
I guess the moped rider thinks that by riding a moped he makes it difficult to get caught so if anyone can come up with something short of knocking the blighter off i’d be surprised.
IMO knocking them off is reasonable.
I guess the moped rider thinks that by riding a moped he makes it difficult to get caught so if anyone can come up with something short of knocking the blighter off i’d be surprised.
IMO knocking them off is reasonable.
Matt Stadlen on LBC last night, typical snowflake liberal arguing against this."Someone's son could be seriously injured if forced off their mopeds by these aggressive tactics by the Met.What a total to$$er.
this seems like madness imo, if you are doing this then you are a complete fool
Was made aware of this on the news yesterday for the first time, as most of were I assume, and was shocked to be honest(that they actually did this), although I don't disapprove of the police tactics at all.....in fact was quite amusing to watch and I have NO sympathy for them.
It seems to have been going on for a while and we are told that these type of moped crimes have been reduced by roughly a third since these tactics were adopted.
Fair play I say, but it begs the question as to whether the same tactics will continue or not, now it is out in the open, if the break down in % of the assailants race code is publicly released.
My suspicion is that the vast majority are IC1.....and the same tactics will continue.....
It seems to have been going on for a while and we are told that these type of moped crimes have been reduced by roughly a third since these tactics were adopted.
Fair play I say, but it begs the question as to whether the same tactics will continue or not, now it is out in the open, if the break down in % of the assailants race code is publicly released.
My suspicion is that the vast majority are IC1.....and the same tactics will continue.....
Honestly couldn’t believe it when I heard about it thought maybe it was a gentle bump when the scooter was stopped but the footage on the news shows them flying off the scooter at speed and bouncing down the road !
They could break someone’s neck doing this it’s crazy really
They could break someone’s neck doing this it’s crazy really
yes they could break their necks - but what is your point
lfc is correct,if one of them broke their neck and paralised....imagine the care cost for the rest of its life?
A nudge hard enough to break a couple of limbs would be more than sufficent and far more cost effective
IMO
A nudge hard enough to break a couple of limbs would be more than sufficent and far more cost effective
IMO
my point is that anyone who would take the chance of that happening is a fool , it’s quite a simple point
and so is mine, as to whether it continues or not.....now it has been made public....
as long as they don't target delivery drivers - in the islington set we would be very miffed if our supper delivery was cancelled out
Declare war on these kids and their knife wielding mates. I see a copper was stabbed in Ilford last night
shooting and stabbing appears to be continuing here at the same rate as cops are instructed to 'steady as we go' by their top brass
"its impossible for it not to be made public"
what the official figures, (percentage breakdown), on the colour of the "victims" of those knocked off their mopeds?.....
I disagree, doubt very much as to whether these will be made public.....and as I said earlier, if my hunch is right in any case....the same tactics will continue...
what the official figures, (percentage breakdown), on the colour of the "victims" of those knocked off their mopeds?.....
I disagree, doubt very much as to whether these will be made public.....and as I said earlier, if my hunch is right in any case....the same tactics will continue...
you see injera - you mock me over a very serious issue - we would get VERY annoyed - imagine a supper evening in Islington destroyed by careless driving
we may even write to our prime minister
did you sea what I did their?
we may even write to our prime minister
did you sea what I did their?
Layenall it is impossible that this practice would not be made public ( I’ve no idea what the colour of the person has to do with it unless you are saying that they should only knock black people off their scooters and not white people or vice versa
the vast majority of them are not of a pale coloured skin
you said you had no idea of the colour of the perps....i was simply enlightening you
I said I had no idea what the colour of the person had to do with whether we should knock people off scooters
I didn’t say I didn’t know what colour they are , I can see that
there’s no point reading a sentence if you don’t understand it , just to enlighten you
I didn’t say I didn’t know what colour they are , I can see that
there’s no point reading a sentence if you don’t understand it , just to enlighten you
An extract from an article in the Guardian.....
"A special team called Scorpion drivers have been trained in tactical contact. Policies were drawn up using legal experts to minimise the chances of officers being prosecuted for using the technique, which was introduced in October 2017. So far this year officers have knocked suspects off their mopeds or scooters 63 times, including those who have taken off their helmets.
One Scorpion driver, Sgt Tony McGovern, said it was one of the hardest tactics to use: “It’s just a slight nudge. It’s controlled.” He said suspects were amazed when in some cases they were sent sprawling off their mopeds. “They are shocked. They say ‘We did not think you were allowed to do that,’ especially when they take off their helmet. They are confused.”
He said other police cars would try to slow the scooter or moped before he and other specialist drivers struck the suspect’s vehicle at “as slow a speed as possible”.
McGovern said Scorpion drivers aimed to minimise injury to those being pursued and civilians. At impact the driver removes her or his foot from the accelerator and uses the brakes to nudge the suspect off the bike, he said. “It’s incredibly quick and very dynamic. Your decision-making changes in a split second.”
Three incidents have been referred to the police watchdog for investigation.
The Met said last year 24% of their pursuits involved officers chasing mopeds or scooters. This year, that figure rose to 40%.
The issue of moped crime has been seen as part of a crimewave that made headlines and added to public unease about the prevalence of violence.
Hailing a fall in crime in which mopeds were used, the Met said from January to October 2017 there were 19,455 offences in London. From January this year to October there were 12,419."
So it seems that 40% of all the met police pursuits/chases this year(I wonder how many there are annually in total), has amounted to only 63 knocked off their mopeds and a reduction in the crime figures of about 7000 for moped crimes.......
Only 3 of these incidents being investigated by the police watchdog as well.....what were the circumstances of these 3 I wonder.....
Do they have guidelines as to who they can or can't knock off their mopeds,(what is the relevance in mentioning in the above report, those who have taken off their helmets), or are they just not that efficient in the chase with a total of only 63 ?!
Anyway, a bit puzzling overall, but the good thing is that there seems to be a reduction in this type of crime....
"A special team called Scorpion drivers have been trained in tactical contact. Policies were drawn up using legal experts to minimise the chances of officers being prosecuted for using the technique, which was introduced in October 2017. So far this year officers have knocked suspects off their mopeds or scooters 63 times, including those who have taken off their helmets.
One Scorpion driver, Sgt Tony McGovern, said it was one of the hardest tactics to use: “It’s just a slight nudge. It’s controlled.” He said suspects were amazed when in some cases they were sent sprawling off their mopeds. “They are shocked. They say ‘We did not think you were allowed to do that,’ especially when they take off their helmet. They are confused.”
He said other police cars would try to slow the scooter or moped before he and other specialist drivers struck the suspect’s vehicle at “as slow a speed as possible”.
McGovern said Scorpion drivers aimed to minimise injury to those being pursued and civilians. At impact the driver removes her or his foot from the accelerator and uses the brakes to nudge the suspect off the bike, he said. “It’s incredibly quick and very dynamic. Your decision-making changes in a split second.”
Three incidents have been referred to the police watchdog for investigation.
The Met said last year 24% of their pursuits involved officers chasing mopeds or scooters. This year, that figure rose to 40%.
The issue of moped crime has been seen as part of a crimewave that made headlines and added to public unease about the prevalence of violence.
Hailing a fall in crime in which mopeds were used, the Met said from January to October 2017 there were 19,455 offences in London. From January this year to October there were 12,419."
So it seems that 40% of all the met police pursuits/chases this year(I wonder how many there are annually in total), has amounted to only 63 knocked off their mopeds and a reduction in the crime figures of about 7000 for moped crimes.......
Only 3 of these incidents being investigated by the police watchdog as well.....what were the circumstances of these 3 I wonder.....
Do they have guidelines as to who they can or can't knock off their mopeds,(what is the relevance in mentioning in the above report, those who have taken off their helmets), or are they just not that efficient in the chase with a total of only 63 ?!
Anyway, a bit puzzling overall, but the good thing is that there seems to be a reduction in this type of crime....
Obviously if they are not wearing helmets it is more dangerous of course, that’s not hard to understand
Can the police charge them with not wearing a helmet once they've knocked them off the moped.
I think they might be putting chemicals into Londons drinking water sending them all dolally
If anyone thinks that such an aggressive met police tactic,(given the history), would be sanctioned against anyone other than white assailants(with the odd mistake), then they are doolally !! 
Of course, official figures may well disprove my theory.....and I would rejoice if they did.....
Of course, official figures may well disprove my theory.....and I would rejoice if they did.....
We are not discussing whether the met police are institutionally racist or not , I don’t happen to think they are , I fact quite the opposite
The question is should they be using this very dangerous tactic ( regardless of the colour of the person )
in my opinion they shouldn’t
The question is should they be using this very dangerous tactic ( regardless of the colour of the person )
in my opinion they shouldn’t
Layemall seems to want to discuss some other issues , it’s difficult to know if he would be in favour of this tactic if there were more white people being knocked off scooters
I don’t know
I don’t know
Agreed lfc, we are not discussing that.......their tactics in general are sanctioned by the government....and always have been....and that is my point...
Perhaps that’s what confused layemail in regard to wearing of
crash helmets
It wasn’t a question of safety , it just made it easier for the police to identify if they were black or white
And then crash knock them off accordingly
crash helmets
It wasn’t a question of safety , it just made it easier for the police to identify if they were black or white
And then crash knock them off accordingly
It’s ok layemail ,when you come up with a sensible point I’ll let you know
Not confused at all in that regard. They will all (99.99%) be wearing crash helmets to commit these crimes.....or post a video of the 0.01 % who aren't.
I will leave it to your vivid imagination as to how anything else can be ascertained by the police
I will leave it to your vivid imagination as to how anything else can be ascertained by the police
It was yourself who mentioned the wearing of crash helmets not me
And why it was relevant in regard to safety , of course if you think it has any other relevance what is it ?
Go ahead , enlighten us ....
And why it was relevant in regard to safety , of course if you think it has any other relevance what is it ?
Go ahead , enlighten us ....
“ what is the relevance of mentioning in the above report those who have taken off their helmets “
Those were your words , I explained that it was obviously relevant in regard to safety
Maybe you didn’t understand that ?
Those were your words , I explained that it was obviously relevant in regard to safety
Maybe you didn’t understand that ?
No need to expand further, as all been said above.....re read maybe?.....good luck to you et al on here on the gg's this afternoon.....
good luck layenall , and read it again yourself , carefully , there’s no point reading words if you don’t understand words
'A special team called Scorpion drivers have been trained in tactical contact.
One Scorpion driver, Sgt Tony McGovern, said it was one of the hardest tactics to use: “It’s just a slight nudge. It’s controlled.”'
Beautiful. I have new found respect for the Met
One Scorpion driver, Sgt Tony McGovern, said it was one of the hardest tactics to use: “It’s just a slight nudge. It’s controlled.”'
Beautiful. I have new found respect for the Met
“ it’s just a slight nudge, it’s controlled “
That’s more lies , it’s amazing what people can pretend to believe we saw the footage on last nights news
That’s more lies , it’s amazing what people can pretend to believe we saw the footage on last nights news
When a few of these fine young men are badly injured, or worse, these crimes will almost disappear.
should we stop from disarming them too ? that is also a danger moment - the poor luvvies might get scratched or bruised - they stab and use other weapons to rob people - but let's let them get away with it -
They crashed into the scooter sending the rider flying and bouncing down the read , could very possibly have killed him
No great loss tbf. I love the WTF? posturing from some of the voles when they get up.
but then again saddo if you are driving the car and make a slight mistake and someone is paralysed or killed
would you really ?
would you really ?
My mind is clear , I would refuse to do it especially after looking at the footage on the news
But the majority of the British public would not have such empathy lfc, no matter who the victim was.......but the British media would take a different angle, depending on who the victim was.....and that is THE point......or put another way, that is why the policy will continue, because of who the likely victims will be.....would civil unrest ensue......I doubt it.....and the powers that be know it...
LIVES MATTER would be involved straight away but it isn't their thing this moped stuff - it is only what one slimey community that does this not the ones you are thinking of
define what you mean by the "one slimey community"........that we/me are not thinking of?
lfc, from what i understood some of these sxxmbags would remove their crash helmets deliberately whilst being
chased falsely thinking the police would give up.
offences dropped by a third since this tactic was introduced, well done i say.
chased falsely thinking the police would give up.
offences dropped by a third since this tactic was introduced, well done i say.
Excellent tactic although I would like to see them take a more robust action and not be concerned if they accidently kill or maim the scum they knock off. A few deaths might well deter others from starting down the moped track.
Agree posy,thats why i've always been the advocate of capital punishment, a few people sentenced to death for murdering another person with intent.
Then you would see the murder rate fall dramatically, and don't try and bring the American argument in to it, as they are a completely different kind of person to the british, Every American i've ever come across may as well come from Pluto
Then you would see the murder rate fall dramatically, and don't try and bring the American argument in to it, as they are a completely different kind of person to the british, Every American i've ever come across may as well come from Pluto
talk about 'knocked off' if you know the expression ho ho
Guess which London Labour politician is against police successfully tackling Moped Crime in the much-discussed new manner? And thankfully is getting verbally slapped down for her predictable outburst.
Allah help us all if she ever becomes Home Secretary.
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https://order-order.com/2018/11/28/camden-police-slap-dianes-bonkers-moped-comments/
Allah help us all if she ever becomes Home Secretary.
.
https://order-order.com/2018/11/28/camden-police-slap-dianes-bonkers-moped-comments/
I'm a staunch EU 'Leave' voter however, would gladly vote 'Remain' if Dianne Abbot is deselected or leave politics. She's one of the most self-serving politician in my time, and talked sh1te most of the time. I cannot remember one good policy attributed to her. And her claim-to-fame (infamous) was sending her son to a private school whilst advocating against it, and supporting state schools.
Another politician not realising her time is up (politically) courtesy of Corbyn as other Labour leader she'd have been toast ages ago; she's well past her use-by-date (politically). Maybe the gravy train is too attractive and difficult to get off.
Another politician not realising her time is up (politically) courtesy of Corbyn as other Labour leader she'd have been toast ages ago; she's well past her use-by-date (politically). Maybe the gravy train is too attractive and difficult to get off.
She said, quite rightly, that the police aren't above the law.
Pity the police had to tell her they were acting within their lawful powers.
How the feck does she survive, one disaster after another.
Pity the police had to tell her they were acting within their lawful powers.
How the feck does she survive, one disaster after another.
Hackney is a safe Labour seat even a chimp (colloquially speaking) of basement intelligence would win similarly Henly-on-Thames for a Tory chimp. But not for much longer as the on-going regeneration and gentrification of Hackney as a whole will eventually unseat her given time.
moped crime is shocking - always keep your moped LOCKED at all times
I've raised nearly ten grand within an hour to buy a moped for Dianne Abbott.
Honestly couldn’t believe it when I heard about it thought maybe it was a gentle bump when the scooter was stopped but the footage on the news shows them flying off the scooter at speed and bouncing down the road !
They could break someone’s neck doing this it’s crazy really
And your problem is ?
They could break someone’s neck doing this it’s crazy really
And your problem is ?
Sadly people always prepared to shout out for the scum in our society.
Like
Police to prush a bottom
Like in chariot race in Ben-hur film
Big spikes come out
Mo the ****s down
Police to prush a bottom
Like in chariot race in Ben-hur film
Big spikes come out
Mo the ****s down
Who going lose any sleep
If any scum bag breaks his neck
If any scum bag breaks his neck
this is whitey crime - what are you ray cysts have to say about that then?
ps all part of the polis propagadnaaaa stuff that they are actually doing anything except it is just a few run downs of some moped twots ho ho suck it up
The cops should adopt the same policy as wartime fighter pilots and put a small moped sticker on the side of their cars every time they take one down.
wite cryme only - none of the diaspora involved in this - move on
If Diane Abbot was sacked from her position.
Labour would win the next Election.
Labour would win the next Election.
I just cannot vote for the present Labour Party front bench. They are nothing but a bunch of misfits and self-serving lightweight politicians; worst lot I've ever known from the Labour Party including when Mr Michael Foot (RIP) was leader.
Angela Rayner is another in the Abbott mould.
Shadow Education Secretary speaking about a key pledge by Labour to cut class sizes and she's found wanting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP3abDvxdSU
Shadow Education Secretary speaking about a key pledge by Labour to cut class sizes and she's found wanting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP3abDvxdSU
impossible123 30 Nov 18 21:35
I just cannot vote for the present Labour Party front bench. They are nothing but a bunch of misfits and self-serving lightweight politicians; worst lot I've ever known from the Labour Party including when Mr Michael Foot (RIP) was leader.
So let's have another five yrs of Tory misrule, cuts in public services, police, NHS,education etc. The tories need a bloody nose and they'll get one.
I just cannot vote for the present Labour Party front bench. They are nothing but a bunch of misfits and self-serving lightweight politicians; worst lot I've ever known from the Labour Party including when Mr Michael Foot (RIP) was leader.
So let's have another five yrs of Tory misrule, cuts in public services, police, NHS,education etc. The tories need a bloody nose and they'll get one.
crystalhunt is your name anything to do with Cockney rhyming slang ? If I was selfish I'd say vote in Corbyn and his Marxist mates, spend spend spend. Why should I care and will be dead in the next 15 to 20 years so I won't have to pick up the pieces
Seriously Crystal I don't like the way things are but Corbyn etc if Hilary Benn, Evette Cooper or many many other decent Labour Mps where leading the party you'd have half a chance
at least us socialists are NEVER selfish
Agree moisok they'd never attend or send their kids to grammar schools. All the animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
Agree moisok they'd never attend or send their kids to grammar schools. All the animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
when we get in the first action will be to send you back to boston for tea ho ho
best wishes
best wishes
ufcdan 30 Nov 18 22:13
Seriously Crystal I don't like the way things are but Corbyn etc if Hilary Benn, Evette Cooper or many many other decent Labour Mps where leading the party you'd have half a chance
I don't really like Corbyn, McDonald or Abbott but I like their policies. The tories have failed so don't deserve another chance. Who impresses you on the Tory front bench.
Seriously Crystal I don't like the way things are but Corbyn etc if Hilary Benn, Evette Cooper or many many other decent Labour Mps where leading the party you'd have half a chance
I don't really like Corbyn, McDonald or Abbott but I like their policies. The tories have failed so don't deserve another chance. Who impresses you on the Tory front bench.
Who impresses you on the Tory front bench
And therein lies the rub
And therein lies the rub
This is probably the worst state that politics has ever been in.
Incompetence everywhere however for me Corbyn and McDonnell are toxic and I'd vote for any Tory set up before them.
Incompetence everywhere however for me Corbyn and McDonnell are toxic and I'd vote for any Tory set up before them.
Totally agree aka and the stars are all lining up for the worst possible outcome. Weakest Tory government since Major. Putin flexing his muscles and us with the threat of Corbyn who'd get walked all over by Putin
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