Breaking News - Mass shooting in California

Police say they are responding to reports of a mass shooting at bar in Thousand Oaks, California.

Multiple people have been injured at the Borderline Bar and Grill, but it is not yet clear if there are fatalities.

Footage broadcast on local media showed people being carried away from the scene, apparently with gunshot injuries.

Police have asked people to stay away from the area as they respond.

The bar was hosting a college country music night on Wednesday, according to its website.

Alley snack bar crew.

My Daughter and family only back yesterday from America , couldn't say this in front of her but I'm always worried when they go over, usually 5/6 times a year they love the place. My Grandchildren love it too but the worry and everytime I see these type of headlines it only adds to it. Wonderful Country but full of loonies...

The suspect has been described as a Middle Eastern man in his early 20s wearing all black clothing and with a beard.

Police reported that a California Highway Patrol officer had engaged a suspect.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/multiple-people-shot-as-gunman-opens-fire-in-california-bar/ar-BBPt98U?ocid=spartanntp
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And still the response from the majority of citizens will be: to arm everybody to the hilt/right to bare arms/Hulk Hogan is the greatest sportsman ever...........

thoughts and prayers

https://www.piratefm.co.uk/news/world-news/2732114/multiple-people-shot-as-gunman-opens-fire-in-california-bar/
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At least six people have been shot after a gunman opened fire in a bar in Thousand Oaks, California, officials said.

A sheriff's deputy was among those shot and taken to hospital, police confirmed.

The extent of the victims' injuries are currently unknown.

Currently not even the lead story on BBC site but it's good to know that England are building a healthy lead over Sri Lanka nevertheless.

You can be sure it would if there weren't any snack bars involved

Indeed you would, they'd be all over the gun ownership angle to attack Trump.

Meanwhile, on the Beeb, "Reports say the suspect, who is described as wearing dark clothing, may have used smoke grenades as well as a gun in the attack."

dark clothing, they still think no one looks at any other news, how complacent they are.

At least 11 people have been shot after a gunman opened fire inside a country-and-western bar in Thousand Oaks, California.

Authorities said the suspect has been shot dead.

A sheriff's deputy was among the victims taken to hospital, police confirmed.

The extent of the victims' injuries are currently unknown after the shooting at the student-filled Borderline bar and grill.

Initial reports indicated that a man had opened fire with a semi-automatic gun at about 11.20pm.

Officers said at least 30 shots had been fired and that victims would be at multiple locations as they fled.

Sad as it is,...is anyone surprise though unless Americans take a grip and accept these tragic events will repeat themselves regularly, period. But the gun lobby is extremely powerful in the corridors of power,...self-interests of a few overrides the safety and well-being of the majority, unfortunately.

BBC seemed to have missed this also



A teenager accused of stabbing two US tourists in Amsterdam has said the attack was sparked by insults to Islam, according to Dutch prosecutors.

The 19-year-old Afghan, identified only as Jawed S, lives in Germany but allegedly travelled to the Netherlands and carried out the attack on Friday.

Prosecutors have said the suspect had a "terrorist motive".

My mistake, that was September.

Twelve dead.

Bloke walked up to a girl he seems to know and shot her, said nothing,(according to mum of witness) if so then hallmarks of jilted lover but who knows at this stage.

Takes a special kind of nutter to kill out of being dumped if that theory is true

Ian david Long (prob not Middle eastern!) low level criminal as fits the bill

Change above, not really low level criminal, just minor things - ex marine and poss mental health issues, gun was legal.

thought this thread had gone quiet

country and western bar.one of the survivors was actually a survivor of the mass shooting in Vegas.

Sheriff in charge retiring tomorrow.what a way to be going out

Ex Marine .

POLice had visited him on mental health issues but no action taken

I think there were few survivors of Las Vegas in there - as well as 6 (off duty) cops.

It has nothing to do with Islam.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/11/08/ian-long-gunman-thousand-oaks-california-borderline-bar-grill/1928231002/
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Doesn't sound very Middle Eastern, does it?

So how did Sky & MSN run with, "The suspect has been described by witnesses as a Middle Eastern man in his early 20s with a beard, wearing all black with a hood and his face partly covered."

Someone needs to be sacked for spreading fake news, imo

No idea  22 - I didn't see or read one report (other than the 1 you provided) that he was Arabic, only that he was a big guy wiht a beard, all in black and had mask on face. For future ref if they don't shout Alah-ur-akbah have no id and shoot themselves then they aint isis etc. Maybe i should send that to sky!

Just autofill. Like when you're filling in a form and it automatically enters your address, email and mobile.  Usually correct but occasionally you find you've just declared your quarterly VAT to be 07281773828

twitter.com/adamcbest/status/1060573458751541248


"Senator-elect Marsha Blackburn gets asked about the Thousand Oaks mass shooting, and literally the first thing she says is "What we do is say how do make certain that we protect the 2nd Amendment." This is why the NRA spent over $1 million supporting her."

perfectly normal country

Thirteen people, including a sheriff’s sergeant described as a hero and the gunman himself, have been killed after a mass shooting in a busy country and western bar in southern California.

The shooter, identified by authorities as 28-year-old US Marines veteran Ian David Long, turned the gun on himself after carrying out the horrific killing spree, during which he deployed a smoke device and used a .45-calibre handgun.

A further 21 people have been released from hospital after being treated for their injuries.

Eleven close and extended families have been devastated and traumatised, probably for the rest of their lives and nobody seems to give a fcuk. Bury the dead and move on. What an awful reflection on the state of America.

police previously called to his house because of his behaviour.

so sad

Wonderful Country but full of loonies...

Careful Workrider some of the loonies have moved over here

country and western bar.one of the survivors was actually a survivor of the mass shooting in Vegas.

Maybe needs to change their taste in music [

Marine who converted to Islam.

Is that true, flashgordon1?

Reports that some small American network has photos.

Ok, thanks. I heard something this morning similar but thought it was just nonsense.

it maybe nonsense, the issue here is, the chap had reported mental problems, but was to allowed to own a gun.......

.... but he had a state drivers licence. It will keep happening again and again and again because as workrider states they are all loonies.

Only seen the headlines so far, but ex Marine goes on rampage - is it not likely that he was untreated for PTSD? despite what both parties try to say over there the vets are brought to the fore for political argument but are still treated pretty poorly eg mental health after service.

vets not tret too well over here too.

lots of problems for them, its a big step for some, and not always the help
they require.

i do think we are starting to understand there are problems for some



one guy in uk currently on hunger strike to bring attention to lack of care...

Any links to him being g a muslim, otherwise it's desperate stuff again as all the evidence says other wise - here is a post from his facebook page minutes before the shooting just to add to that:

"I hope people call me insane... (laughing emojis).. wouldn't that just be a big ball of irony? Yeah.. I'm insane, but the only thing you people do after these shootings is 'hopes and prayers'.. or 'keep you in my thoughts'... every time... and wonder why these keep happening..."

There may be pics of him in vaguely islamic clothes which i s'pose in your weird little world makes him a member of isis, though he seems to have only spent about 6 months in Afghanistan and the rest in Japan and Hawaii  both not really known as hotbeds of Islam.

Re the treatment of soldiers - this country has a long a proud tradition of discarding it's soldiers when not needed any more. The  dead soldiers in the first great War (waterloo etc) had their teeth  ripped from their mouths to supply dentures to Brits back home and many of those who returned sold their teeth to souvenir hunters (amongst many other things) only a few years after and that's not even mentioning those who returned from the battle of Belnheim - things haven't changed since.

Was in Afg from Nov2010 to June 2011

Under the rules of Chit Chat is it credible to be a killer with mental health issues if you're white but not black?

Trump just texted,sayed he wouldv'e overpowered him with his tiny hands..

It has nothing to do with Islam, but this time it is true!!!

Police have slipped up here. Armed response to his house in April. Took half a day to get him out according to neighbour. Should have taken his guns away.

it maybe nonsense, the issue here is, the chap had reported mental problems, but was to allowed to own a gun.......


That is not really the issue I'm afraid.

There are several issues but perhaps one of the biggest is the NRA who will not allow any of the Congressmen on their pay roll to vote for any gun law legislation. Any new law for them would be the tip of the wedge and they think the flood gates would open.

The second problem is the Congressmen and women who take the NRA Dollar.

There is a movement going to promote politician's who are not NRA bank rolled. This will be slow but maybe the only solution.

Another major issue is American culture and history. The country was made by men with guns. I cannot see them becoming a civilised society in relation to gun law and control. There are too many guns and too many die hards who would resist the changes needed. The are also too many guns in the wrong hands so how does that issue get dealt with.

Americans just have to accept the carnage will continue and hope they or their loved ones are not amongst the victims.

I think some better form of licensing and mental health checks would help and a ban on assault rifles but it really is a sad situation without many credible solutions.

I am not a fan of country and western music but they have been getting it bad recently.

This makes site makes sombre reading

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/past-tolls

Nov 8, 2018 -- 9:35PM, Baphornet wrote:

Is that true, flashgordon1?

just one of our forum intellectuals spreading made up garbage again

Several People who Survived the Vegas Shooting  involved in this ,One of them Killed ,Whats the Chances in Getting caught up
in two mass shooting , both looking Motiveless

No one think this is Strange ?  You have a man Armed Like an Army ,randomly attacking People in Las Vegas, for No apparent reason ,then People who were involved in that attack are randomly attacked by an Ex marine for no apparent reason, in California  , One of them being Killed .. Summat Wrong imo

What are the odds of a group of the  same people ending up in Two mass shootings ? Must run into Billions ?

Probably odds on over there

What are the odds of a group of the  same people ending up in Two mass shootings

What, the odds on a country and western fan from Cal going to the biggest country and western festival in Vegas  and then spending their evenings in a country and western bar in their home town? Yep, you're right must be billions to one.....let me guess they are both false flags aren'lt they? You'd better get used to it as these things are going to be monthly at best from now on in all prob and there are going ti be lots caught up in them, but please do carry on in that conspiracy laden nonsense you call life.

307 mass shootings in America so far this year, 346 last year.  Not exactly random are they.

The lifetime risk of dying in a mass shooting is around 1 in 110,000 x 110,000    12321000000   

Wtf has what Kind of Music the People Like got to do with it ?  

Oh and BTW I don't do conspiracy....

It would not be the First time A group of People were attacked in order to Just target someone among them ...

But the Shooters ending up Dead does not Add up in that Respects ..

1 in 111000 is big enough , for it to happen twice  is pretty Random Baron ,surely even your LSB can see that

are you saying they diedin one mass shooting, came back to life and were killed in another mass shooting

as that seems to be the odds you are suggesting




that would be very rare

No, one of the Dead survived Vegas , there were about a Dozen at the 2nd shooting that were at Vegas ..

you will need to change your odds calculation in that case

some folk were at hiroshima and nagasaki when the cities were nuked

the chances of being nuked are very high, and to be nuked twice you cant simply
square the probability of being nuked once.

teddy kennedy had two brothers assassinated, survived a plane crash that killed his aide
and a car crash that killed his passenger....odds must be very very high, but it happened

Someone wins the lottery  every few weeks. Odds are 45 million to 1.

Yes your Correct ,  Also looking at another Site it states 1 in 15,000 to be Killed in a mass shooting

Saying that its only 8000-1 the Police will kill http://uk.businessinsider.com/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2018-2

if you look at yesterdays footy scores on flashscores and write down the odds of each score
then the odds of that exact set of results is so great that it exceeds any possible possibility
anybody can think of, yet they occured, because there has to be an outcome.

Working out the exact odds of someone being in two mass shootings should include profiling ie locations, type of events, times, demographic etc  The likelihood of someone being involved in more than one mass shooting isn't as high as most people would think. In fact it would be surprising if there wasn't anybody.

Many events in life seem to have astronomical odds and lead some people to believe in fate, religion, conspiracy theories  as an explanation.

Another Country music venue gun attack, the last one was dropped very quickly by the msn considering the sheer scale of casualties. Most people going to these shows will be white and will be presumed to be Repblican in nature.

casemoney - you were asking about the odds of someone surviving a mass shooting and then being involved in another. I have no idea of the odds, but the music aspect is actually important here. I believe both venues were hosting C&W music events. Thousand Oaks, CA and Vegas are not that far away in US geographical terms - a short flight. If you were a fan of that music and lived in that area then it doesn't sound so improbable to be at both events. Definitely sad and unfortunate, but not as improbable as it may seem at first sight.

especially as over 20,000 people from all over the U.S were at the Harvest festival in Vegas............

It's more probable that they're the same crisis actors.

Yeah, cos it's like a really successful policy and working so very well - i don't know why there isn't one of these obvious false flag events every week. They move the gun control debate way up the list of things U.S politicians have on their 'to do' list as it looks like it could get passed any day now  (mind you according to Trump he can end any constitutional amendment by the stroke of his pen). Banning guns will have zero effect as there are something like 300m legally held guns and Trump has been incredibly bad for small arms manufacturers as sales have plummeted - unlike when Dems are pres as, for some weird reason, a certain type of gun owner (the type that usually does these shootings weirdly enough) feels the need to re-arm when the dems (especially a black one) are presidents.

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This was passed in 1791...eight years after the American Revolution finished in 1783.

This was passed in case Britain tried to reintegrate America into it's empire.

Which in fact it did in the war of 1812...but the American's again won.

We have not tried again since....


The problem seem not so much American's right to bear arms, so much as some do and some don't..so cannot fire back.

The vast majority of American gunowners are perfectly responsible, but it does not take too many nutters to cause appalling slaughter.

The problem is one for the American's themselves.....they must decide themselves?