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I have never seen anyone wearing One , PEACE apparently ,do people wearing these think Red Poppy wearers don't want Peace ??
Even a mention on the BEEB of Purple Poppies ,the Mind Boggles .
Even a mention on the BEEB of Purple Poppies ,the Mind Boggles .
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Every year it's the same pantomime.
On the one hand, it's a bunch of Red poppy Nazis, firing off stiff letters to Channel Four because John Snow wears a white one, Fatima Manji wears a black one and Matt Frei wears one with a fairy light on.
On the other you have a bunch of Social Justice Warriors, keen to tell us all - loudly and great length (do they have any other default settings?) - what poppies and those who wear them think and glorify in. As per usual with these soppy so-and-so's, the drop off from wearing a poppy to being a blood-crazed Spartan ready to rape in the name of your country, is but a short step.
Thank God there's a largely silent majority who remember folks who put duty and quiet determination before ambition and gross emotional lability, wear their poppy, quietly reflect perhaps on people they knew who made the ultimate sacrifice - and then get on with their lives.
On the one hand, it's a bunch of Red poppy Nazis, firing off stiff letters to Channel Four because John Snow wears a white one, Fatima Manji wears a black one and Matt Frei wears one with a fairy light on.
On the other you have a bunch of Social Justice Warriors, keen to tell us all - loudly and great length (do they have any other default settings?) - what poppies and those who wear them think and glorify in. As per usual with these soppy so-and-so's, the drop off from wearing a poppy to being a blood-crazed Spartan ready to rape in the name of your country, is but a short step.
Thank God there's a largely silent majority who remember folks who put duty and quiet determination before ambition and gross emotional lability, wear their poppy, quietly reflect perhaps on people they knew who made the ultimate sacrifice - and then get on with their lives.
I bet 90% of brexitiers wear poppies, and only 60% of retainers do, class system , we went to fight, they did to,as officers
I see some snowflake piece of **** at Southampton Uni, the "president" no less, has taken offence at a 100 year old mural to commemorate people from uni who went off to ww2, and vowed to paint over it as it only contains "white men". I quote: "Mark my words - we're taking down the mural of white men... even if I have to paint it over myself." .. "As white people, we are so so ignorant and closed minded without even realising it. Listen to your black friends/colleagues/students and ask how you can be the ally they want!"
Can we not get some authentic lee enfields from the period and put sick offensive SJWs like that up against a wall? Would have a certain form of poetic justice.
Can we not get some authentic lee enfields from the period and put sick offensive SJWs like that up against a wall? Would have a certain form of poetic justice.
correction, "went off to ww1". The painter of the mural was not psychic! WW2 hadn't been invented yet, and WW1 was at that time called "the grate war" - which is a fantastic name for a speed cheese preparation TV show.
You can bet your life nobody's complained or offended by it, just to be politically correct what bullshiiiiitt.
we are all 'europeans' now - after all they are re writing history
go see the new ish eu museum - frightening
don't forget the eu has kept the peace in europe for ...........years
fill in with your guess
go see the new ish eu museum - frightening
don't forget the eu has kept the peace in europe for ...........years
fill in with your guess
we are all 'europeans' now - after all they are re writing history
go see the new ish eu museum - frightening
don't forget the eu has kept the peace in europe for ...........years
fill in with your guess
go see the new ish eu museum - frightening
don't forget the eu has kept the peace in europe for ...........years
fill in with your guess
Conditor - did you ever work out where you went wrong with your Guy Fawkes post?
Do the White Poppy Mob realise what actually happened in the 2 Previous Word Wars ,More to the Point do they Care .. ??
why would they be interested - after all it was all the old people
The Royal British Legion has no official opinion on the wearing of white poppies, stating that it "is a matter of choice, the Legion doesn't have a problem whether you wear a red one or a white one, both or none at all"
folk will end up not wearing poppies and ruining the brilliant work of royal british legion
if folk try to make them more political.
100 years since end of ww1, not many ww2 vets left, but those of us still here owe a huge debt
to those that went off to fight....not just in thise wars but all others since.
we may not agree with the wars they were fighting but it wasnt the rank and file soldiers that
picked the wars they were sent to fight.
my grandad, a ww1 vet, and pow , would be mortified to think people were fighting over poppies
folk will end up not wearing poppies and ruining the brilliant work of royal british legion
if folk try to make them more political.
100 years since end of ww1, not many ww2 vets left, but those of us still here owe a huge debt
to those that went off to fight....not just in thise wars but all others since.
we may not agree with the wars they were fighting but it wasnt the rank and file soldiers that
picked the wars they were sent to fight.
my grandad, a ww1 vet, and pow , would be mortified to think people were fighting over poppies
Red Poppies do not glorify war
They are a thanks to the men(and any women involved as well) who died defending this country.
They are a thanks to the men(and any women involved as well) who died defending this country.
I wouldn't wear a white poppy, but each to his own. Don't try and force someone to wear one and don't try and force someone not to wear one - not that hard is it? 
no of course you’re quite right don’t force anyone not to wear one
what would be the point of that ? let them wear one and then you know not to trust them
what would be the point of that ? let them wear one and then you know not to trust them
That Southampton mural was a true representation of some of the men who went off to war, there weren't any black people amongst the group painted or they'd have been included.
I suppose this silly girl wants people removed from the mural who actually did fight for their country, to be replaced by fictional characters who didn't?
This is rank BBC style racism, and it's easy to see why the BBC have gone down the racist road they have, if people with this kind of thinking are joining them from uni.
But to be fair to her she has apologised for her silly comments.
I suppose this silly girl wants people removed from the mural who actually did fight for their country, to be replaced by fictional characters who didn't?
This is rank BBC style racism, and it's easy to see why the BBC have gone down the racist road they have, if people with this kind of thinking are joining them from uni.
But to be fair to her she has apologised for her silly comments.
top marks in blaming the bbc for something that's got nothing to do with them
BBC style racism?
That's the image they earned themselves.
They'd better get used to living with it.
That's the image they earned themselves.
They'd better get used to living with it.
Cleansing history might make you more at ease with your past; but sometimes it is best to be confronted by ALL your history - not just the pleasant bits.
Stand in front of the mural / the Rhodes statue / the Confederate Flag and tell your children the full story - it might be a great learning moment for both of you.
Stand in front of the mural / the Rhodes statue / the Confederate Flag and tell your children the full story - it might be a great learning moment for both of you.
Can I just confirm: buying a white poppy gives the exact same amount of money to the British Legion, but it has the added benefit of winding up a bunch of gammons? What's not to love?
Of course quite right tell them everything and tell them when Rhodes was in Africa the natives used to resort to cannibalism until the British put a stop to that
And during WW2 when the U.K. was fighting against the evils of Nazi Germany and was in great danger countries such as Ireland refused to help
They didn’t even wear a white poppy , tell them all those little facts of history also
And during WW2 when the U.K. was fighting against the evils of Nazi Germany and was in great danger countries such as Ireland refused to help
They didn’t even wear a white poppy , tell them all those little facts of history also
It's your kids your talking with - fill them with whatever information you think is appropriate.
My thoughts don't enter into it.
My thoughts don't enter into it.
Don't see how you arrived at that conclusion, other than your default mode being belligerent and touchy.
You seem pretty belligerent yourself Hanx.
Your first post here for instance.
Your first post here for instance.
“ sometimes you have to be confronted by all history “
Those were your words hanx , not mine
Those were your words hanx , not mine
but it has the added benefit of winding up a bunch of gammons?
Well there we have it Millions dead and these prix trying to wind People up ... Sad seething individuals .
Well there we have it Millions dead and these prix trying to wind People up ... Sad seething individuals .
Did you not understand what you were talking about ,read them again and come back when you understand
but it has the added benefit of winding up a bunch of gammons? What's not to love?
Life's purpose wrapped up within one sentence .
Isn't a white poppy for those that only want to remember white men and women that lost their lives ? I'd rather wear a red poppy and show that I'm remembering people of all colour and ethnicity . Far more inclusive .
Life's purpose wrapped up within one sentence .
Isn't a white poppy for those that only want to remember white men and women that lost their lives ? I'd rather wear a red poppy and show that I'm remembering people of all colour and ethnicity . Far more inclusive .
Isn't a white poppy for those that only want to remember white men and women that lost their lives ?
No.
No.
Oh , I thought it was one of those 'White Supremacist' things . Most white things are these days 
maybe the white wearers are todays equivalent of conscientious objectors.
PorcupineorPineapple
Can I just confirm: buying a white poppy gives the exact same amount of money to the British Legion
No it doesn't. Sellers of white poppies at a local level decide where the cash goes.
The White Poppy exists only because some people chose to misrepresent the message of the Red poppy and why it was chosen.
Selected because it was the first flower to reappear after the battlefields of Flanders were turned into mud heaps.
It represents those that fought and died.
It was never designed to glorify war.
Wear it or don't wear it but don't try to redefine the message of the Red Poppy.
Selected because it was the first flower to reappear after the battlefields of Flanders were turned into mud heaps.
It represents those that fought and died.
It was never designed to glorify war.
Wear it or don't wear it but don't try to redefine the message of the Red Poppy.
As Aka says it was for WW1.
The great sadness is that we keep going to war, never learning from history.
The red poppy has certainly been politicised. Govts demand our support for 'our boys', 'our heroes' in the waging of political conflicts that have little or nothing to do with defending these islands.
The mandatory wearing of poppies by all and sundry in the media and politics is mere propaganda imo.
I have no feelings either way about a different colour poppy. I just wish our troops would be used to defend us and not to destabilise an already unstable world.
The great sadness is that we keep going to war, never learning from history.
The red poppy has certainly been politicised. Govts demand our support for 'our boys', 'our heroes' in the waging of political conflicts that have little or nothing to do with defending these islands.
The mandatory wearing of poppies by all and sundry in the media and politics is mere propaganda imo.
I have no feelings either way about a different colour poppy. I just wish our troops would be used to defend us and not to destabilise an already unstable world.
Govts demand our support for 'our boys', 'our heroes' in the waging of political conflicts that have little or nothing to do with defending these islands.
Whats that got to do with the Red Poppy? Saying it's been politicised is another red herring.
Whats that got to do with the Red Poppy? Saying it's been politicised is another red herring.
I think originally it was for WW1 but now it's certainly a general thing.
Of course we all no know that , but injera didn’t say that
Blair wearing a poppy laying a wreath at the Cenotaph is as political as it gets.
The organisers of the Red Poppy appeal are in no way trying to legitimise any war.
They merely reflect the loss of life and use the cash raised to help those who survived but were injured in the process.
They merely reflect the loss of life and use the cash raised to help those who survived but were injured in the process.
everyone in Britain can choose to wear a poppy or not , even Blair
That’s how it is
That’s how it is
The ar*ehole who was in the papers the a few days ago for politicising and turning his sick stepson in a pro EU social media stunt appeared on telly to defend himself, and had a poppy badge, 2/3 way through october. I just thought it was just more virtue signalling from an ar5e who can't stop digging a hole for himself....
I don’t want to see that commie Corbyn wearing a white poppy : )
Why is that Injera? Politicians have been laying wreaths since 1922 but that doesn't politicise the poppy.
Agreed aka. But the media and politicians never seem to question the madness of so many needless conflicts. No concern for losses inflicted on often defenceless people.
Not all of our fallen were doing so to protect us. That's your red herring right there.
Soldiers since time began are ordered to kill and be killed. Don't think, just go forward and pay the price.
Nothing changes
Not all of our fallen were doing so to protect us. That's your red herring right there.
Soldiers since time began are ordered to kill and be killed. Don't think, just go forward and pay the price.
Nothing changes
Aka will like this. Did everyone see the SNP Westminster leader at the poppy ceremony last year, looking like he'd staggered there straight from an all night wedding function?
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http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ian+Blackford+Royal+Family+Lay+Wreaths+Ce...
That’s all we ever do hear in the British media
Britain has never been involved in any war that couldn’t be justified in at least some measure
Britain has never been involved in any war that couldn’t be justified in at least some measure
Not all of our fallen were doing so to protect us.
Soldiers have no say on the right or wrong of any war. The Red Poppy recognises the loss of life and, as I keep saying, is in no way trying to justify war in any circumstance.
Soldiers have no say on the right or wrong of any war. The Red Poppy recognises the loss of life and, as I keep saying, is in no way trying to justify war in any circumstance.
What you have to understand is that Britain was until fairly recently the greatest empire ever seen
That meant we were responsible for maintaining peace
And we are gradually trying to divest ourselves from that burden , even today
That’s why we have been involved in wars that are not strictly to defend ourselves
That meant we were responsible for maintaining peace
And we are gradually trying to divest ourselves from that burden , even today
That’s why we have been involved in wars that are not strictly to defend ourselves
apart from our womxn trying to rewrite or even eradicate history
"Can I just confirm: buying a white poppy gives the exact same amount of money to the British Legion, but it has the added benefit of winding up a bunch of gammons? What's not to love?"
What a truly disgusting and shameful post the above is from porcupinepineapple. I wonder if he'll have the decency to apologise?
What a truly disgusting and shameful post the above is from porcupinepineapple. I wonder if he'll have the decency to apologise?
That’s why we have been involved in wars that are not strictly to defend ourselves
Nothing to do with oil or sucking the American President's c ock then? How the Greatest Empire has fallen!
Nothing to do with oil or sucking the American President's c ock then? How the Greatest Empire has fallen!
Fcek me if I agree with akabula on something!
I think they also sold poppies to help those who had been injured during the war. If anyone has not been I would highly recommend attending the Memorial / Armistice Day Parade in Whitehall. It is very moving and humbling.
I think they also sold poppies to help those who had been injured during the war. If anyone has not been I would highly recommend attending the Memorial / Armistice Day Parade in Whitehall. It is very moving and humbling.
I wonder if Corby will turn up in his donkey jacket this year on Remembrance Sunday, in the true Labour tradition.
........... A tradition that started with Michael Foot , if I remember correctly 
A flowered shirt and shirts is more likely if I know Corbyn.
Although it's getting a bit cold for that so I expect it'll be the donkey jacket and jeans.
Oh, and a woolly hat.
Although it's getting a bit cold for that so I expect it'll be the donkey jacket and jeans.
Oh, and a woolly hat.
casemoney [i]25 Oct 18 09:46
I have never seen anyone wearing One , PEACE apparently ,do people wearing these think Red Poppy wearers don't want Peace ??
Even a mention on the BEEB of Purple Poppies ,the Mind Boggles .
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What's wrong with purple poppies ? These commemorate the animals that were lost on WW1 battlefields - the horses and dogs..
I have never seen anyone wearing One , PEACE apparently ,do people wearing these think Red Poppy wearers don't want Peace ??
Even a mention on the BEEB of Purple Poppies ,the Mind Boggles .
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What's wrong with purple poppies ? These commemorate the animals that were lost on WW1 battlefields - the horses and dogs..
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
In the spring of 1915, shortly after losing a friend in Ypres, a Canadian doctor, Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae was inspired by the sight of poppies growing in battle-scarred fields to write a now famous poem called 'In Flanders Fields'. After the First World War, the poppy was adopted as a symbol of Remembrance.
During the First World War (1914–1918) much of the fighting took place in Western Europe. Previously beautiful countryside was blasted, bombed and fought over, again and again. The landscape swiftly turned to fields of mud: bleak and barren scenes where little or nothing could grow.
Bright red Flanders poppies (Papaver rhoeas) however, were delicate but resilient flowers and grew in their thousands, flourishing even in the middle of chaos and destruction. In early May 1915, shortly after losing a friend in Ypres, a Canadian doctor, Lt Col John McCrae was inspired by the sight of poppies to write a now famous poem called 'In Flanders Fields'.
McCrae’s poem inspired an American academic, Moina Michael, to make and sell red silk poppies which were brought to England by a French woman, Anna Guérin. The (Royal) British Legion, formed in 1921, ordered 9 million of these poppies and sold them on 11 November that year. The poppies sold out almost immediately and that first ever 'Poppy Appeal' raised over £106,000; a considerable amount of money at the time. This was used to help WW1 veterans with employment and housing.
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
In the spring of 1915, shortly after losing a friend in Ypres, a Canadian doctor, Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae was inspired by the sight of poppies growing in battle-scarred fields to write a now famous poem called 'In Flanders Fields'. After the First World War, the poppy was adopted as a symbol of Remembrance.
During the First World War (1914–1918) much of the fighting took place in Western Europe. Previously beautiful countryside was blasted, bombed and fought over, again and again. The landscape swiftly turned to fields of mud: bleak and barren scenes where little or nothing could grow.
Bright red Flanders poppies (Papaver rhoeas) however, were delicate but resilient flowers and grew in their thousands, flourishing even in the middle of chaos and destruction. In early May 1915, shortly after losing a friend in Ypres, a Canadian doctor, Lt Col John McCrae was inspired by the sight of poppies to write a now famous poem called 'In Flanders Fields'.
McCrae’s poem inspired an American academic, Moina Michael, to make and sell red silk poppies which were brought to England by a French woman, Anna Guérin. The (Royal) British Legion, formed in 1921, ordered 9 million of these poppies and sold them on 11 November that year. The poppies sold out almost immediately and that first ever 'Poppy Appeal' raised over £106,000; a considerable amount of money at the time. This was used to help WW1 veterans with employment and housing.
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