1.45 teresa update

jollyswagman 21 Sep 18 20:01 Joined: 04 Jul 15 | Topic/replies: 5,802 | Blogger: jollyswagman's blog
donny, we could have taken the eea/efta route and unilaterally invoked article 112 to stop immigration as leichtenstein did.


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We got another one.

Every few weeks we get this nonsense about controlling immigration.

Explain why they happened:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/homeless-eu-citizens-deporting-illegal-policy-home-office-high-court-ruling-brexit-stop-a8110001.html

Peoples vote, what on earth is that ?

Didnt people vote before.

all votes are equal..but some votes are more equal than others..hth.

The supplicant types are pining to be back under Merkel's wing whatever the cost, in terms of money and dignity.

saddo..it aint supplicants..it the bosses..surely you understand?

The European Union and its leaders fully respect the UK’s decision expressed in the referendum on leaving the EU. From the very beginning of the negotiations we have been focused on finding a deal that will minimise the damage resulting from Brexit. Also important to us is to create the best possible relations between the EU and the UK in the future. We studied the Chequers proposals in all seriousness. The results of our analysis have been known to the British side in every detail for many weeks. After intensive consultations with Member States, we decided that for the good of the negotiations, and out of respect for the efforts of PM May, we will treat the Chequers plan as a step in the right direction. In Salzburg, right before our meeting I said in a public statement: “I would like to stress that some of Prime Minister May's proposals from Chequers indicate a positive evolution in the UK's approach as well as a will to minimise the negative effects of Brexit. By this I mean, among other things, the readiness to cooperate closely in the area of security and foreign policy. On other issues, such as the Irish question, or the rules of economic cooperation, the UK's proposals will need to be reworked and further negotiated.” The UK stance presented just before and during the Salzburg meeting was surprisingly tough and in fact uncompromising. The response of the EU27 leaders was to reiterate our trust in chief negotiator Michel Barnier and to reiterate our position on the integrity of the Single Market and the Irish backstop. While understanding the logic of the negotiations, I remain convinced that a compromise, good for all, is still possible. I say these words as a close friend of the UK and a true admirer of PM May.

bosses=those who control money.

trader, you've got some front. you tried on the wto thread to knock the eea/efta option but ran away when i pointed out that you had just made sh1t up, its what you do all the time. get back on that thread and answer my points.

you are quoting a court case that has no relevance to article 112 whatsoever. you are just posting tripe again.

Fully respect but calling for a 2nd vote

Kenny the EU is behaving like a wife beater. 'I love you but if  you leave me I'll damage you and the kids'

I understand how you feel saddo..bottom line we were holding a pair of threes against a royal flush.

Jolly read about article 112 on some obscure forum and thought an 'emergency break' could stop millions of people coming to our country.

They are EU citizens. If they get a low paid job within six weeks how can we get rid of them?

I have had this discussion with so many chancers on here claiming the 112 option...

None of them have explained how we get rid of the low paid workers.

And just for clarity..if our friends wanted to mess us they certainly could..only because we gave them the opportunity.

"The Peoples Vote" is a busted flush.

It needs a plumber to fix it but ironically all the polish ones are going home due to remoaner scaremongering

Whatever the outcome the eu are looking like a dictatorship.

sonko..would you prefer putin

Is he going to invade us?

Leave the eu ends up with you replying if i want putin, i think you have posted on the wrong fred.

Was out all day so just watched TMs speech.
Excellent and about time.
If the EU continue to act like they have throughout we should simply list our conditions for leaving and present it as a last resort before walking with no deal.
BTW let the EU erect and operate an Irish border and see how that goes.

What I liked about it is that she finally seems p1ssed off and angry and seems to be getting a bit of steel and backbone in her.

If you do a lot of work and put if forward and someone casually waves it away and says "not good enough" without a reason and puts nothing constructive in response when a clock is ticking, anyone in any walk of life would be p1ssed off. I don't think the EU gets it.

I'm not saying Chequers is the best deal, I'm saying the EU would have waved away ANY deal that wasn't grovelling then bending over and letting them hump us.

Its all a front and part of the act played out to the minions hoping we will be happy, late deals a nap.

This may be the plan, people now saying 'I'm not saying Chequers is the best deal'. It's a total bend over sell out of those who voted leave.

I was saying the deal was irrelevant, that the EU response would have been the same.

Saddo we all know at the end of the day a deal will be done and everyone wins. bbc headlines may say; good deal for all.

Then im going to Hungary.

better than us all going hungry after a no deal

Oh aye, we're all bound to starve

we are being conned

hope this helps

if this is the friendly happy family then I don't want to be married to it

respect?

they have never respected us

their eu  politicoes have never even liked us it fact throughout history they have even taken us to war

look at the reaction of macron - belligerent etc etc

unlike some of the people of europe who do like us

note the subtle difference

A 'No Deal' would simply see a barrage of temporary measures put in place whilst negotiations resumed.
Looking like the only way to getting a fair deal for the UK which most of us want.

It's amazing how some on here only see this from an EU perspective.

far better to do the deal before a raft of temporary measures that would precede
the same deal we can do without sticking pins in our eyes

So in your mind it is the UK at fault here? Incredible thinking.

BTW Donny … and save us £39Billion.

Some will roll over at the slightest hint of trouble.

it is marvelous how they have managed to trash the vote 
a remarkable job done by the eu propaganda department with the help of the fifth column

never seen such a successful tissue of lies and one sided arguments  since Mr hilter's days

the bbc and sky should be congratulated

no , when we do the deal it will involve the £39 billion

my mind is that its in the interests of british people to get a deal before leaving

leaving folk to starve might be second nature to tories but not to me

osmond is one of several of the eu mouthpieces on here

anyway it is a con  I guarantee it

ploy to get people on side with May - indignation and 'those foreigners' etc

then she does the deal the eu stalinists want

I listened to Blackford saying that the UK had failed miserably in not agreeing a deal.
Not the UK and the EU but the UK. Nowt but a big stick for the haters to bash all things British.

why attck me

its like you are just saying you agree with me but cant admit it

leaving folk to starve might be second nature to tories but not to me

ffs do grow up donnny,Labour have become the party of Hate now.

Leaving people to starve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How silly can you get? All it would result in is less choice but cheaper food without the EUs tariffs.

may wants to do a deal......we agree

a deal is good......we agree

sooner its done the sooner we crack on with new trade....we agree


but attack me because .....?

where will we purchase this cheaper food ?

We import food from all over the world, not just the EU.

A bad deal is obviously not good donny, nor will people starve. You are being a bit silly.

BTW it wouldn't be cheap food but cheaper food. There is a difference.

why would it be cheaper ?


i'm not being silly....there will be chaos at our ports, all this stuff nodded through will stop.




chances we will get some cheaper mangoes from africa, but who will benefit?

will sainsburys lower their prices because they pay no tariff on senegal mangoes?

any party rolling out universal credit in manner they are doing are happy
to see folk starve

same old tories

How did we go on before stuff was nodded through? We got far less illegals roaming the country for sure.

we had procedures in place before it was nodded through

Goods from the EU are higher because of the tariffs.
Prices are monitored currently so why wouldn't the savings be passed on? Competition will drive that.
How will there be chaos? If the same (roughly) amount of food is coming in how will this cause chaos?
Even more of a strange thing to say if you are right and there is less food coming in. Straw clutching?
What 'stuff' is nodded through? And assuming it is why would it stop?

Then they can make new ones, you seem determined to see us outdone by our ex friends.

we had procedures in place before it was nodded through

We have procedures in place for all imported goods whether from the EU or elsewhere.
You're struggling here Donny.

But the other point you are missing is do you think the EU food exporters will be happy to see their food go to landfill?

donny doesn't want us to risk money going alone, he'd prefer to donate it towards propping 25 countries up in the EU.

we can make new procedures, but we need to have time to implement them

when we have a deal, or default to wto terms we can put procedures in place

putting them in place only to change them again when a deal is finally realised is wasteful


another good reason to do a deal asap

takes two sides to do a deal

why make stuff up saddo?

lost the argument , bring up illegals...check

be abusive ...check

of course it takes two sides to do a deal

but there is a deal to be done .....

People will starve....check.

stockpiling drugs ....will there be enough ....doubt it

food , wake up!

Did we never have drugs before the EU?

why are the government stockpiling them then?

throw some smileys at them

GAZO
takes two sides to do a deal

Donny isn't interested in that G.
What Donny is suggesting is do what the EU wants.
He can only see this through the eyes of the EU.

You'd believe owt they tell you, incredible stuff.

Sep 21, 2018 -- 10:33PM, akabula wrote:

We import food from all over the world, not just the EU.

In terms of getting our food else where, the laws of supply and demand come into force, the demand for food in the UK will not change, but the supply will, if we can not get it from the EU, the price will rise from our new/old non-EU suppliers, who know full well we need them, this a fundamental rule of economics.

but there is a deal to be done .....

No there isn't Donny.
The EU rejected our proposals without saying why and without negotiating.

akabula now making stuff up

amazing

the deal the eu wants as got to be bad for us to stop other nations wanting to leave,the greek finance minister explained this about the eu in a interview a couple of years ago were greece were forced to accept a deal were the eu had no chance of getting their money back compared to one were they had a chance to get it back but they didnt care,it had to be bad for the greeks to stop other nations wanting help

The Greeks were handcuffed by the Euro, we are not.

that was to 23.01 post but still applies to last one too

open your eyes

this a fundamental rule of economics.

Competition would negate that 'rule' as suppliers vie to do trade with us.
Always good to stand back and see the bigger picture.

if we can not get it from the EU, the price will rise from our new/old non-EU suppliers, who know full well we need them

WTO rules would stop this happening.

akabula • September 21, 2018 11:09 PM BST
this a fundamental rule of economics.

Competition would negate that 'rule' as suppliers vie to do trade with us.
Always good to stand back and see the bigger picture.

This rule was around before you were born, it will be around after you are dead, you're not qualified to dismiss it, I HTH

WTO rules would stop this happening.

Explain this in detail please, what rules?, be specific, you posted it..

Still waiting Aka? ( Aka frantically googling WTO rules in the hope of backing up his 'of the cuff statement' ) Night aka, I'll check this in the morning and see how long it has taken you.

Let google be your friend Joey.
BTW the effect of competition has been here for a long time as well.

Sep 21, 2018 -- 11:29PM, akabula wrote:

Let google be your friend Joey. BTW the effect of competition has been here for a long time as well.

Oh Dear.

aka 0 badjoe 1

Goodnight

Deluded or what
Makes a couple of easily proved wrong points then claims victory.
Sad to see But it does let you know how the UK haters think.

"In terms of getting our food else where, the laws of supply and demand come into force, the demand for food in the UK will not change, but the supply will, if we can not get it from the EU, the price will rise from our new/old non-EU suppliers, who know full well we need them, this a fundamental rule of economics.
I've read some clueless rubbish on these comments but this takes the biscuit. Thing is I fear the poster believes this rubbish.

Is it just me that has this flipping back between old style forum and new style all the time, it's very odd and getting annoying!

Not happening to me JC.

donny osmond • September 21, 2018 10:41 PM BST
i'm not being silly....there will be chaos at our ports, all this stuff nodded through will stop.

I read somewhere recently , I can't remember the source and I may indeed be incorrect , but they are no longer 'our' ports . British ports are Saudi owned and if this is the case it may not be the EU that hold us to ransom .

If this is not the case please feel free to correct me .
Thanks in advance , Reynard .

I don't think dover has been flogged off but the rest have - many to foreign owners like water rail etc etc  yawn

we would flog our erse if we could

too many foreigners own far too much in the uk

the way our prime minister walks it looks like she as already sold her's

Interesting article for a change on sky about Altrincham just now
Where shops had been closing and the high street dead the small
shops have gone in and started to revive the place Out with the old
big bands in with the small retailer maybe a lesson in here

over 200 posts the most used phrase been do a deal,all missing the most important point
if you were giving carte blanche to change the government, pick your own mp,s you still couldn't come up with a deal that would get through the commons never mind get the EU to agree with one
we would be better off starting from the end game and working back ,everyone agrees if the irish border could be solved we,d at least have a deal to put to the commons, so really its no point may and eu coming to a deal then the dup,sein fein etc knocking it back,so obvious starting point is to lock all the irish parties in a room to see if they can come to a deal there happy with if not,only possible way forward is for may to ditch the dup so we,re in general election terroitory anyway

latest fudge suggests coming to a deal over border controls that the irish assembely agrees to and as their not sitting they cant presently say no,so it gets kiked down the road and llows trade talks to start, seriously is any serious PM ,mp going to wave that approach through

wit ham
saw the Altrincham piece and sky failing to mention the most obvious reason for the success of this project
Manchester is one of the most growing ,affluent parts of the country awash with money, artisan bakers,orange pip style markets, cool bars etc,theres no skill in relieving well off yummy mummy middle class families of their hard earned the hard part is creating well off yummy mummy middle class families in the 1st place, you could recreate these places in 80% of the country and on a daily basis wont sell as much as a one £3,50 home made olive baked sourdough loave

On the news last night the reporter was saying Labour's prime focus now is contriving another early general election.

If true (and I don't doubt it as the party is run by marxist sc-m who don't want to be in the EU anyway as EU rules would stop them bringing about a Venezuela style socialist state) - this is hardly pulling together for the good of the country, is it?

Agree, these niche/fashionable small businesses wouldn't last 3 months in dying working class towns like Rotherham etc.

Like this? :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yZ0LvqPuSQ
(Harry Enfield)

.. who should be in the national treasures list!

An excellent sketch JC, the dinner party crew

Compilation here, big suze appears at 2 mins in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbWBY-_Qxeo
Got to love big suze!

Cheers for a more indepth opinion 1stTP
Just shows one way of thinking works here but not
down the road.As with EU and Brexit different things
for different areas work so niether is a good model
although brexit probably wins out as the best of the two
as in theory would be more flexible.But theory often does not work
god i cover myself with these statements quite well maybe i should go into
the government.

Don't have much time for the woman but credit where it's due - that Chequers plan must be a real doozy.

She's managed to come up with something which pisses everybody off. Her Cabinet dislike it, her MPs dislike it, Leavers dislike it, remainers dislike it and the eu bigwigs dislike it. Takes some doing that.

exactly she,s united everyone else and alienated herself , a true legend

could probably only be equalled by trump picking up the silver revolver,

80% of labour party members want a 2nd referendum !!  i was shocked when i heard that !!  thought it would

have been a lot closer.

most of them 80% are form jezza,s mates in momentum ,who wont want jezza stuck behind the black ball so expect another dose of political fudge come vote time on tues at party conference,fudge companies must be making a fortune everybody wants some

Channel 4 showing footage of a remote controlled German ww2 Heinkel 111 ... music chosen?
"Ode to Joy" - the official anthem of the EU

I'd like to think there is at least ONE employee at C4 who isn't a leftie pro EU luvvie and that was deliberately "representative" .

Funny isnt  it when the tory fanboys foam at the mouth about the so called hard left wing , ironically most of them are anti EU and voted to leave something which has escaped some peoples brain cells