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When I was young, most people were slim!
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Blame it on fast food outlets and the internet. Young folk order takeaways and sit in front of the computer all day, talking to their imaginary friends. It will only get worse.
fatty arbuckle, billy bunter, cyril and hattie
You walked to School , Mummy Big Bum in her Oversized Car were not about a few years back ..
We did have fatties in the old days, but they were few and far between especially amongst children.
If we look at the old black and white films with public screen shots, the contrast with waistlines today is startling.
The difference now is the range and quantity of food that's available, especially the delicious nature of most processed foods.
Food manufacturers have learned their jobs well in making food irresistible by adding fat, salt, and especially sugar which is regarded by many as addictive.
I'm sure Nature never intended for food to be so delicious as we've made it. Consider Piza!
The inactivity people today is another factor, but excessive food intake is the overwhelming problem driving the rise in obesity.
If we look at the old black and white films with public screen shots, the contrast with waistlines today is startling.
The difference now is the range and quantity of food that's available, especially the delicious nature of most processed foods.
Food manufacturers have learned their jobs well in making food irresistible by adding fat, salt, and especially sugar which is regarded by many as addictive.
I'm sure Nature never intended for food to be so delicious as we've made it. Consider Piza!
The inactivity people today is another factor, but excessive food intake is the overwhelming problem driving the rise in obesity.
When I was growing up in the 70s and 80s we ate an awful lot of sugar - I find it hard to believe kids eat more sugar now than I did. My mum used to bake quite a lot. Jam tarts, scones, flapjacks. Apple crumble every sunday which was virtually pure sugar. Pocket money went on sweets which were very cheap - 10p would buy you 10 gobstoppers. There was no such thing as diet coke or coke zero. Sugar was not demonised like it is today. "A Mars a day helped you work, rest and play". I was brought up on two sugars in tea and coffee and sugar on cereal. However, when I left school and left home I was a matchstick. Now, I probably eat 20% of the sugar I ate as a kid.
We probably burned it all off because there was nothing much else to do except play football or cricket or ride bikes. Had I been born 10 years later I think it would have been quite different because in the mid 80s computer games changed everything and nobody went outside any more.
We probably burned it all off because there was nothing much else to do except play football or cricket or ride bikes. Had I been born 10 years later I think it would have been quite different because in the mid 80s computer games changed everything and nobody went outside any more.
None at Junior school and just one at secondary school....
The further you go back, the less incidence of fatties....
The further you go back, the less incidence of fatties....
GoBallistic's post is a good one about the amounts of sugar consumed when he was younger.
Yet my main point should not be missed, which is adding sugar and fat to foods in order to make them more attractive/addictive.
There's no doubt that a high sugar diet is a high fat diet, with 30% of fructose going to making body fat.
The sugar his mother used was almost certainly sucrose as well, which does not produce s much fat as the commercially produced fructose added to food these days.
And perhaps he wasn't consuming as much sugar as he thought he was, or it was at the expense of other high fat foods?
The most successful diets are - high fat/low carb and high carb/low fat which both eliminate sugar.
We probably burned it all off
You would if you were eating it at the expense of other foods, your body burns what you eat.
If you're eating sugar in the place of other carbs you will burn off the sugar, you'll have to.
Your body need glucose to run on, and it converts anything into glucose that's available.
Yet my main point should not be missed, which is adding sugar and fat to foods in order to make them more attractive/addictive.
There's no doubt that a high sugar diet is a high fat diet, with 30% of fructose going to making body fat.
The sugar his mother used was almost certainly sucrose as well, which does not produce s much fat as the commercially produced fructose added to food these days.
And perhaps he wasn't consuming as much sugar as he thought he was, or it was at the expense of other high fat foods?
The most successful diets are - high fat/low carb and high carb/low fat which both eliminate sugar.
We probably burned it all off
You would if you were eating it at the expense of other foods, your body burns what you eat.
If you're eating sugar in the place of other carbs you will burn off the sugar, you'll have to.
Your body need glucose to run on, and it converts anything into glucose that's available.
Post war rationing didn't end completely until 1954. My mother insists that fat people were few and far between when she was growing up and as a youngster she was permanently hungry. It sounds like the Monty Python 4 Yorkshiremen sketch but her tea consisted of two slices of bread and margarine throughout the war years.
go ballistic difference been that not everyone could afford to buy lemonade,fizzy drinks .bottles of pepsi were considered a luxury,holiday treat, in the north east remember cheaper bottles of fizzy pop were brought out because people couldn't afford lowcocks it was called ALPINE,there was a 3rd brand name I cant remember cheaper than lowcocks but dearer than alpine, parents used to buy powdered orange just to give kids a drink, fresh orange now considered a staple was well beyond the means of your average famiy
fresh fruit was also considered a luxury, now its freely available to all we have an obesity problem,strange one that
It used to be considered lazy to go and pick up a takeaway, instead of cooking.
Now people don't expend the energy to go and get them, they have them delivered.
Was in Wetherspoons the other day, a group of boys came in, sat down, and ordered their drinks via an app on their phone. No queue at the bar. Ordered food likewise a bit later. Didn't move an inch.
No wonder we have lots of fatties.
Now people don't expend the energy to go and get them, they have them delivered.
Was in Wetherspoons the other day, a group of boys came in, sat down, and ordered their drinks via an app on their phone. No queue at the bar. Ordered food likewise a bit later. Didn't move an inch.
No wonder we have lots of fatties.
I havnt drank booze for 10 years
never had a fizzy drink in longer
never had a chip or anything fried in over 20 years
don't eat cakes,sweets etc
savoury snacks are my downfall but only eat them at weekends if ever trying to cut them out,but I weigh more than I,ve ever done which shows imo unless your a label reader,take food intake seriously [ I don't],eating what you think is normal will increase weight as compared to the same foods in the past, due to the salt.sugar etc put into food to make it taste better
never had a fizzy drink in longer
never had a chip or anything fried in over 20 years
don't eat cakes,sweets etc
savoury snacks are my downfall but only eat them at weekends if ever trying to cut them out,but I weigh more than I,ve ever done which shows imo unless your a label reader,take food intake seriously [ I don't],eating what you think is normal will increase weight as compared to the same foods in the past, due to the salt.sugar etc put into food to make it taste better
All about sugar so addictive,i have been unwell for a few years now and as can't get about much for long periods even just eating 1800 calories aday can oput on weight and even going to 1500 loss in weight is very little.The 70s and 80s everyone lived on terrible diets,i wouldv'e been huge on that sam,e diet today but i was always out doing stuff,football,cricket,rugby,table tennis,golf knocking a ball against a wall.I still don't see all these fat peolole around where i livbe infact it's very rare to see anyone fat,pick my lad up from school everyday and never seen any large parents very strange..
Speaking from my own experience; during the summer our garden produces a lot of strawberries.
So I always get in a tub of ice cream to eat them with, unfortunately I usually end up eating the whole tub of ice cream in one go. I just can't help myself.
Yet if I eat the strawberries with clotted cream, I only eat the one portion.
The same thing happens with a pack of biscuits, If I eat one I have to eat the lot.
That to me is sugar addiction. And I can understand why people get fat if they're constantly craving food.
So I always get in a tub of ice cream to eat them with, unfortunately I usually end up eating the whole tub of ice cream in one go. I just can't help myself.
Yet if I eat the strawberries with clotted cream, I only eat the one portion.
The same thing happens with a pack of biscuits, If I eat one I have to eat the lot.
That to me is sugar addiction. And I can understand why people get fat if they're constantly craving food.
The size of Portions if you go out for a meal can be rediculous.
I did have a thread, where I talked of the number of seriously overweight hospital staff, observed whilst waiting for appointments.
One TV programme that I like to watch is "24 Hours in A&E".
Just last night were several workers who fell into the category, but the criminal one was patients!
An obese woman, mother of four, was there with her grandaughter, of age perhaps one year.
This child was born to her thirteen year old daughter, who nobody knew was pregnant, presumably because she was overweight.
Stupid woman gave the kid a whole, four bar, "Kit-Kat"!
This one year old was already obese, and destined to be like her grandma!
One TV programme that I like to watch is "24 Hours in A&E".
Just last night were several workers who fell into the category, but the criminal one was patients!
An obese woman, mother of four, was there with her grandaughter, of age perhaps one year.
This child was born to her thirteen year old daughter, who nobody knew was pregnant, presumably because she was overweight.
Stupid woman gave the kid a whole, four bar, "Kit-Kat"!
This one year old was already obese, and destined to be like her grandma!
GoBallistic 17 Sep 18 12:23
When I was growing up in the 70s and 80s we ate an awful lot of sugar - I find it hard to believe kids eat more sugar now than I did. My mum used to bake quite a lot. Jam tarts, scones, flapjacks. Apple crumble every sunday which was virtually pure sugar. Pocket money went on sweets which were very cheap - 10p would buy you 10 gobstoppers. There was no such thing as diet coke or coke zero. Sugar was not demonised like it is today. "A Mars a day helped you work, rest and play". I was brought up on two sugars in tea and coffee and sugar on cereal. However, when I left school and left home I was a matchstick. Now, I probably eat 20% of the sugar I ate as a kid.
We probably burned it all off because there was nothing much else to do except play football or cricket or ride bikes. Had I been born 10 years later I think it would have been quite different because in the mid 80s computer games changed everything and nobody went outside any more.
Spot on, sugar was everywhere, my parents had gone without it during the war and couldn't give us enough of it. Our teeth suffered but we were all greyhound lean.
When I was growing up in the 70s and 80s we ate an awful lot of sugar - I find it hard to believe kids eat more sugar now than I did. My mum used to bake quite a lot. Jam tarts, scones, flapjacks. Apple crumble every sunday which was virtually pure sugar. Pocket money went on sweets which were very cheap - 10p would buy you 10 gobstoppers. There was no such thing as diet coke or coke zero. Sugar was not demonised like it is today. "A Mars a day helped you work, rest and play". I was brought up on two sugars in tea and coffee and sugar on cereal. However, when I left school and left home I was a matchstick. Now, I probably eat 20% of the sugar I ate as a kid.
We probably burned it all off because there was nothing much else to do except play football or cricket or ride bikes. Had I been born 10 years later I think it would have been quite different because in the mid 80s computer games changed everything and nobody went outside any more.
Spot on, sugar was everywhere, my parents had gone without it during the war and couldn't give us enough of it. Our teeth suffered but we were all greyhound lean.
It's little less than an epidemic, you can't blame the people themselves because no one chooses to be overweight.
Conventional wisdom tells us to eat a balanced diet, which means overcome your hunger cravings and eat less of everything, mainly carbs lol.
Anyone going down that route will be constantly hungry or as most do - give in and put the weight back on.
Conventional wisdom tells us to eat a balanced diet, which means overcome your hunger cravings and eat less of everything, mainly carbs lol.
Anyone going down that route will be constantly hungry or as most do - give in and put the weight back on.
The most amusing sight is health professionals well overweight themselves, giving advice on how to lose weight.
And of course there's always the odd one out who can eat whatever they choose and never put on weight, given as an example that it's not the food that makes people fat. Marvellous!
And of course there's always the odd one out who can eat whatever they choose and never put on weight, given as an example that it's not the food that makes people fat. Marvellous!
Why is it when I was in my early mid thirties I could eat and drink anything and I was as thin as a rake, yet somewhere between there and the age I am now, 55 I have become 2-3 stone overweight without doing anything different? Metabolism? Whatever that is? I am 6ft and was approaching 17 stone at one point, now I've made a conscious effort, due to type 2 diabetes to cut down on my alcohol comsumption significantly, and try and eat less and I am down to 15 stone - but now I have reached a brick wall where no more seems to be coming off. The answer, suggested to me is exercise, but I'm a bit sceptical of this. I can see it might get me fitter, but I'm not sure it's going to help me lose weight.
just go into a supermarket now and you can see why people are fat.
rows and rows of ready meals, all made much larger than they were 20 years ago.
then you have the rows of crisps, chocolate bars and fizzy drinks and nuts. then you move on to the frozen meals, chips, pizzas.
it's all on a plate for us now. did you get many obese cavemen?
rows and rows of ready meals, all made much larger than they were 20 years ago.
then you have the rows of crisps, chocolate bars and fizzy drinks and nuts. then you move on to the frozen meals, chips, pizzas.
it's all on a plate for us now. did you get many obese cavemen?
30 in my class of 11yr olds, one overweight(not obese just tubby). Early 60's
Exercise, will make you fitter of course. It will also generally mean you lose weight, though muscle is heavier than fat.
However unless you intend to try and go for the Mr Universe look, you'll normally be losing weight.
Typically as we get older we generally are less active. We normally don't realise this, but as we do a little less, we use less calories. If we put the same amount in, then we put on weight, albeit slowly.
The counter to this, is, that as we get older, we generally also lose some of our appetite. So over time it may well balance out.
Perhaps Mid 50's is a bit early to be losing appetite, so pointedly doing exercise will up activity to help use those excess calories.
However unless you intend to try and go for the Mr Universe look, you'll normally be losing weight.
Typically as we get older we generally are less active. We normally don't realise this, but as we do a little less, we use less calories. If we put the same amount in, then we put on weight, albeit slowly.
The counter to this, is, that as we get older, we generally also lose some of our appetite. So over time it may well balance out.
Perhaps Mid 50's is a bit early to be losing appetite, so pointedly doing exercise will up activity to help use those excess calories.
Won't doing exercise make you more hungry, so you'll want to eat more so counteracting the calories you've burnt off through exercise?
Of course it will McCoy, exercise is not the answer.
Like in the case of McCoy above, S2 diabetes gives the strongest reason for people lose weight as they get older.
What makes diabetes worse is that the medication given to diabetics makes them even more hungry. So you get someone who is obese with a body that thinks it's starving.
The wealthier a nation becomes, the more its people become ill. And that is a fact.
Something is going radically wrong. And we're not being told the truth.
What makes diabetes worse is that the medication given to diabetics makes them even more hungry. So you get someone who is obese with a body that thinks it's starving.
The wealthier a nation becomes, the more its people become ill. And that is a fact.
Something is going radically wrong. And we're not being told the truth.
Why will exercise make you hungry? There's no reason why it should.
A brisk walk for an hour would make no difference. Yet it utilises calories, and speeds up your metabolism.
Exercise is good for health overall, including mental well being.
Tom Watson the MP is a pretty good example of what you can do to help yourself.
A brisk walk for an hour would make no difference. Yet it utilises calories, and speeds up your metabolism.
Exercise is good for health overall, including mental well being.
Tom Watson the MP is a pretty good example of what you can do to help yourself.
giving up or cutting down on alcohol will help you to lose weight.
McCoy Carp 19 Sep 18 13:46 Joined: 02 Nov 05 | Topic/replies: 3,260 | Blogger: McCoy Carp's blog
Won't doing exercise make you more hungry, so you'll want to eat more so counteracting the calories you've burnt off through exercise?
if you exercise in theory your stomach will shrink which in turn will make it less likely you'll want to eat. people who say exercise won't have any effect probably don't do any exercise.
however giving up alcohol would surely have an even greater effect than regular exercise. how many calories are in a pint of beer? 150? drink four of those a night and you will have to run for about five miles a day to burn it off
McCoy Carp 19 Sep 18 13:46 Joined: 02 Nov 05 | Topic/replies: 3,260 | Blogger: McCoy Carp's blog
Won't doing exercise make you more hungry, so you'll want to eat more so counteracting the calories you've burnt off through exercise?
if you exercise in theory your stomach will shrink which in turn will make it less likely you'll want to eat. people who say exercise won't have any effect probably don't do any exercise.
however giving up alcohol would surely have an even greater effect than regular exercise. how many calories are in a pint of beer? 150? drink four of those a night and you will have to run for about five miles a day to burn it off
When you take in alcohol it has be burned off first before other food is burned.
Alcohol also makes fat and its the very damaging LDL which can lead to diabetes amongst other things
So any food you eat will be stored until after the alcohol has been used.
In the case of carbs they'll be turned into glucose and burned next, and the fat will be turned straight to body fat to be burned after the glucose has all been used, if that happens at all which isn't guaranteed.
That's why it's a bad idea to eat fatty foods with your alcohol if you're watching your weight.
Alcohol also makes fat and its the very damaging LDL which can lead to diabetes amongst other things
So any food you eat will be stored until after the alcohol has been used.
In the case of carbs they'll be turned into glucose and burned next, and the fat will be turned straight to body fat to be burned after the glucose has all been used, if that happens at all which isn't guaranteed.
That's why it's a bad idea to eat fatty foods with your alcohol if you're watching your weight.
When the liver processes alcohol, it stops supplying the blood with sugar because the alcohol is servicing the energy cells and blood sugar levels drop. If my physiology is correct.
Which is why diabetics on medication should be careful when drinking, because the blood sugar level comes down due to the alcohol, and the medication on top can bring their blood sugars down to a dangerous level.
Which is why diabetics on medication should be careful when drinking, because the blood sugar level comes down due to the alcohol, and the medication on top can bring their blood sugars down to a dangerous level.
Crippen you are correct but I think your loose use of "Alcohol also makes fat" was maybe an accident.
AFAIK there is no pathway for alcohol to create fat itself but it by being used as an immediate energy source OTHER food will become fat.
So yes you are correct.
Booze can create a fatty liver but that's the liver reacting to the punishment, it's not the booze itself turning to fat.
Booze is lethal for weight loss not just due the direct energy but because it lowers your will power to eat well and makes you want to eat crap.
If I'm hung over I absolutely do NOT want a salad, I want to go to the chipper and get a pile of something greasy!
AFAIK there is no pathway for alcohol to create fat itself but it by being used as an immediate energy source OTHER food will become fat.
So yes you are correct.
Booze can create a fatty liver but that's the liver reacting to the punishment, it's not the booze itself turning to fat.
Booze is lethal for weight loss not just due the direct energy but because it lowers your will power to eat well and makes you want to eat crap.
If I'm hung over I absolutely do NOT want a salad, I want to go to the chipper and get a pile of something greasy!
PS Some exercise can make you less hungry. I know I can be really hungry if I've just been on the couch all day and do exercise often the hunger goes away.
PS #2 your body is really bad for confusing the trigger signals for "hunger" with "dehydrated". Often people who don't drink enough water are eating when they should be drinking.
Doesn't the fatty liver come from the LDL cholesterol made from the alcohol JC, that's still fat.
Booze stimulates your appetite because it stops the liver from sending glucose to the blood.
Your blood sugar drops and you feel hungry.
That's how booze works with appetite.
Your blood sugar drops and you feel hungry.
That's how booze works with appetite.
Normal service is not resumed until you've burned off all the alcohol.
My school in the 80s had around 850 kids. I honestly think there were no more than 20 fat kids and of those maybe 5 you'd say were massively overweight. It's not like sugar etc wasn't available then but we were certainly more active with outdoor stuff for sure. I think DR C is correct in that the companies with their refined sugar foods have just got much much better at making them very addictive - add that to more sedentary computer time and it's not surprising a lot of kids are way bigger now. Also, aside from computers etc do you think a lot of the very young kids are being harmed by helicoptering parenting? in the 80s you'd be off on your bike with your mates or to the park for football. Now it seems people are obsessed their kid will be abducted and it limits independence and exercise for the child.
on the other hand, you only live once. do you want to live to 60 eating curries and delicious food and going down the pub and knocking back pints, or do you want to live to 80 only eating salad and sitting indoors knitting 
And by the way for diabetics.
The liver tries to export the LDL cholesterol that it's made from the alcohol into the muscles where it causes further insulin resistance.
So drinking alcohol if you are S2 diabetic can get you from stage 2 diabetes to stage 1 diabetes faster.
There's not one good thing that comes from drinking alcohol as far as our bodies are concerned.
or do you want to live to 80 only eating salad and sitting indoors knitting Crazy
Very well put lr, it's our choice.
The liver tries to export the LDL cholesterol that it's made from the alcohol into the muscles where it causes further insulin resistance.
So drinking alcohol if you are S2 diabetic can get you from stage 2 diabetes to stage 1 diabetes faster.
There's not one good thing that comes from drinking alcohol as far as our bodies are concerned.
or do you want to live to 80 only eating salad and sitting indoors knitting Crazy
Very well put lr, it's our choice.
It's not just about longevity. It's about general health. Who wants to live to 60, knocking back pints and sitting on your arse, shovelling down takeaways and biscuits, if the second half of those 60 years is spent feeling lousy, sitting in doctors' waiting rooms and complaining about how long you're having to wait for operations? Give me 80 years free of back problems and heart scares any day.
And by the way, sitting indoors knitting won't help get you to 80 any more than sitting indoors on Betfair will.
Exercise is all about the type of exercise. People now think just taking a walk counts as exercise. It's not enough. Physical work, by which I mean carrying or moving things, is exercise. Carrying your shopping home was about the last remaining glimpse of how life was lived as the human body evolved over thousands of years. Now, all of a sudden, even that activity has virtually ceased.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fitness/exercise/rucking-the-number-one-fitness-trend-of-2015/news-story/f0eae3e3b18332694898891fe6c48009
For the average guy, a 30-minute walk burns about 125 calories, according to the Compendium of Physical Activities. But throw on a weighted backpack and take that exact same walk, and you burn about 325 calories, also according to the Compendium of Physical Activities.
Just wearing a backpack with some weight in it makes walking incinerate nearly three times the calories.
Or, as we used to call it, "carrying the shopping home" (or "carrying the firewood home" or "carrying the formbooks to the racecourse" - just about everything we no longer do).
The article goes on: It builds up your hip and postural stability, and that makes you more injury-proof in all your other activities ... Carrying heavy things is a fundamental human skill that most people don’t train. It builds you a more solid foundation of fitness. And once you build the foundation, everything else becomes easier.
"Everything else becomes easier" ... I like that.
And by the way, sitting indoors knitting won't help get you to 80 any more than sitting indoors on Betfair will.
Exercise is all about the type of exercise. People now think just taking a walk counts as exercise. It's not enough. Physical work, by which I mean carrying or moving things, is exercise. Carrying your shopping home was about the last remaining glimpse of how life was lived as the human body evolved over thousands of years. Now, all of a sudden, even that activity has virtually ceased.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fitness/exercise/rucking-the-number-one-fitness-trend-of-2015/news-story/f0eae3e3b18332694898891fe6c48009
For the average guy, a 30-minute walk burns about 125 calories, according to the Compendium of Physical Activities. But throw on a weighted backpack and take that exact same walk, and you burn about 325 calories, also according to the Compendium of Physical Activities.
Just wearing a backpack with some weight in it makes walking incinerate nearly three times the calories.
Or, as we used to call it, "carrying the shopping home" (or "carrying the firewood home" or "carrying the formbooks to the racecourse" - just about everything we no longer do).
The article goes on: It builds up your hip and postural stability, and that makes you more injury-proof in all your other activities ... Carrying heavy things is a fundamental human skill that most people don’t train. It builds you a more solid foundation of fitness. And once you build the foundation, everything else becomes easier.
"Everything else becomes easier" ... I like that.
Surprisingly people who don't appear overweight, can be just as much at risk from health problems associated with fat as the more obvious ones.
These are people with fat distributed around the organs, so it's not just visible fat that's the killer.
Many S2 diabetics fall into this category, and we all know you don't have to be obese or unfit in order to get a heart attack.
These are people with fat distributed around the organs, so it's not just visible fat that's the killer.
Many S2 diabetics fall into this category, and we all know you don't have to be obese or unfit in order to get a heart attack.
I went to secondary school early 70's and honestly there was only one out of 100 who was overweight , fast forward early 90,s now married with two kids we went to orlando for 2 week hols , we were shocked at the masses of fat lardy americans walking around , just like the uk now , in my opinion all down to the masses of fast food available , by the way I eat and drink whatever I want and still am the same weight , maybe I'm not greedy .
Didn't see many fat people in the old days. They were the first to be eaten
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