so you need a pillow case,a pen ,a hard backed copy book and 200 quid.

footnote=if you have a large family and decide to get a new car for each member of the family you  can buy pillow cases in packs of ten in good bedding equipment stores.
but it is best to let  the rest of the family work for their own money and their own cars because before long they will be jetting round the world on holiday and buying new houses and it will cost you a fortune on pillows cases if you decide to do all the work your self,and it is time consuming ,we don't want to miss any 1/20 odds on when the come along.

There may be some mileage in this. You would have certainly made a small profit by using this strategy in the EPL last season.

Laying each team to lose £20 would have won you £53.74 using B365 odds

I have deducted 5% commission from all winning bets

I have NOT deducted the cost of the pillow, pen and book

i won over 40 grand in the last five seasons and thats at least 40 grand each season.

its foolproof and the stats back me up.not that i care who disputes it,but everyone that does do it wins big but very few listen or read the posts.

teams winning 0-2 with 15 minutes left to play are the best.

Any away tean in any league in any country?

novelda in spain today 1.07 at half time.

Isolated examples doen't mean the strategy is profitable.

As I said, it worked out in the EPL last season but sooner or later punters are going to wise up and realise that things are levelling out.

Some of the "smaller" clubs in the EPL are on a similar financial footing as some of the big teams in Italy and Germany.

it does not matter if you lay in any country,because you have to learn whats good and whats bad,but you will still pick up a few grand as you learn.most people who do it think its the only way to make money so they make a career out of it,and sail their yacht during may and the end of August.just do it ,you will win big,time and time again,and the pricers can not control it because if they push the price out to avoid the layers they end up pricing an over book.And you can always trade out when the home teams starts the come back.

nick,just do it,you will win every week.

You're backtracking now. You never said anything about trading.

If you start to trade out when you're in a winning position, you'll reduce the return on many bets that would have won anyway and therefore risk an overall loss.

Anyway, I'll do some more research.

nick,Stoke 1/12,celtic,1/6.these two alone give you loads of money the lay more bets.cork city another.no research needed.but these prices are chicken feed compared to the bid downers ,real madrid, man city v wolves.and they dont stop coming as you will learn.

Lots to think about with this system. I'll sleep on it.

your  life has changed,now go think about the house and new car you always wanted,

there is one already while  we were posting AC milan kicked off at 8/11 now 3/1.profit in minutes.

See my post at 19:40

nick,think about this, if a guy puts 20 quid bets on six 2/5 shots playing away from home.(six single bets 20 quid  on 2/5).and you lay his bets.
now think of this ,how many winners does he have to get to make a profit.now think of him repeating the exercise.so in other words he backs 12 teams at 2/5 all away from home.
i bet the picture is becoming clearer for you when you think about it.good luck to you,and soon you will be sailing that yacht i was talking about.

Italy Serie A 2017/18

Laying each team to lose £20 would have LOST you £223.53 using B365 odds

EPL 2016/17: LOSS £312.40


Summary of findings so far:

EPL 2017/18: +53.74
EPL 2016/17: -312.40
ITA Serie A 2017/18 -223.53

south korea 1/100 and france 1/100 covers that in two bets.both failed to win and kicked off at that price.

When was that?

holland 1/80. ...................nick ,if you are doubting me its ok dont do it,i was trying to be helpful to you ,but you are not interested.
you may just carry on as you do ,but you have talked yourself out of wonderful future and stress free lifestyle ,even on random selections of odds on away football teams you will fill a pillow case a year but you are trying to look for faults in the system and they are not there.but i assure you you will do one of two things.
1 try the system and realise it works
2 try to prove it wrong.
but anyone who ever tried it,are still doing it.
of course you could always open a bookmakers office ,thats another system that works.
but good luck to you in life,you are a trier,and the best of good wishes to you no matter what you do.BRASS.

brassneck 16 Sep 18 19:11 Joined: 13 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 12,816 | Blogger: brassneck's blog
i won over 40 grand in the last five seasons and thats at least 40 grand each season.


really ?

If you're referring to the match they drew against Luxembourg, that was at home!

Do you realise what you are at,knocking a winning system before you try it,France played some scrap team in a friendly in america in the game i am talking about,Portugal on the same night drew 0-0 with some islanders .priced at 1/33,,i could go on and on and on.real madrid 1/33 in the spanish cup away game,these games take thousands for the pillow case .
the Fa cup in england will fill another pillow case as teams not interested drop out.
every single week injury time goals are scored against away teams who are priced at 1/10.in fact every single day it happens.

i won over 40 grand in the last five seasons and thats at least 40 grand each season.

Post Ya Profit Ta ..

of course you could always open a bookmakers office ,thats another system that works.

Yes arbing the bets on here ,even then No guarantee in showing a Profit Owning a Bookies ,After X's

Had a friend tried down that route he barely made a Living was pre FOBT,s and  BF ,either ended up with no bets

Or Big Bets he didnt want .

"And you can always trade out when the home teams starts the come back."

I thought we were Laying the away Teams ?

"every single week injury time goals are scored against away teams who are priced at 1/10.in fact every single day it happens."

So we are playing our Bets at the 90 Minutes mark ?

Was Brass on the grass last night?

France played some scrap team in a friendly in america in the game i am talking about


I've gone back to the start of 2000 and can't find this match. (So are we laying at neutral venues too?)

nick ,if you are doubting me its ok dont do it,i was trying to be helpful to you ,but you are not interested.
you may just carry on as you do ,but you have talked yourself out of wonderful future and stress free lifestyle ,even on random selections of odds on away football teams you will fill a pillow case a year but you are trying to look for faults in the system and they are not there


Brass, I'm just coming back at you with actual facts and figures.

As I said in a previous post, I thought there might be something in your strategy, which is why I took the time to do some research.

Spain La Liga A 2017/18

Laying each team to lose £20 would have WON you £201.59 using B365 odds

^^^^^^^^^^^

Primera Div

Spain La Liga Primera Div 2016/17

Laying each team to lose £20 would have WON you £43.78 using B365 odds


Summary of findings so far:

EPL 2017/18: +53.74
EPL 2016/17: -312.40
ITA Serie A 2017/18 -223.53
SPA La Liga Prim 2017/18 +201.59
SPA La Liga Prim 2016/17 +43.78

Spain La Liga Primera Div 2015/16

Laying each team to lose £20 would have WON you £294.38 using B365 odds 


Back later, guys. Just heading out to Brentford Nylons.

liberic,and viburg this morning ,they just keep coming.you are only using the teams that start odds on Nick,many many teams go odds on playing away when the are in the lead,i am telling you  ,you can fill as many pillow cases as you like,so dont distort the stats.just lay teams that go odds on and are playing away(i stress the word GO because you are missing that most important word in your calculations .)

Have you read all my posts - I'm starting to sway back in your direction.

I've looked at another three seasons in Spain - the figures look good. I'll put them up later.

Summary of findings so far:

EPL 2017/18: +53.74
EPL 2016/17: -312.40
ITA Serie A 2017/18 -223.53
SPA La Liga Prim 2017/18 +201.59
SPA La Liga Prim 2016/17 +43.78
SPA La Liga Prim 2015/16 +294.38
SPA La Liga Prim 2014/15 -237.32
SPA La Liga Prim 2013/14 +515.50
SPA La Liga Prim 2012/13 +91.10

i will explain the flaw,in tonights game should Brighton go 1 goal up,the exchanges will price them at 1.68 should the goal come in the first 30 minutes,but the real price should be 2.12,its the exchange pricers that cause the gift  that happens to fill the pillow cases.and it happens every game ,and all the time,
the pricers get the odds wrong.

they do not know how to price a team winning 0-1 with all players on the pitch,and when i am on my high horse i will tell you that they also have not got a clue on how to price a 10 man team,they just follow other market pricers and try to add a little icing on the cake,and their software can not deal with the crazy prices as it is set not to go over broke.

Summary of findings so far:

EPL 2017/18: +53.74
EPL 2016/17: -312.40
EPL 2015/16: +76.38
EPL 2014/15: -105.77
EPL 2013/14: -146.18
ITA Serie A 2017/18 -223.53
SPA La Liga Prim 2017/18 +201.59
SPA La Liga Prim 2016/17 +43.78
SPA La Liga Prim 2015/16 +294.38
SPA La Liga Prim 2014/15 -237.32
SPA La Liga Prim 2013/14 +515.50
SPA La Liga Prim 2012/13 +91.10

and a 1.05 turned over today,if anyone dug it out.=Esteghalad.

and a 1.2 also=ironi nir ramat

atlanta/italy=1.8

Brass, I've done a lot of analysis and all my instincts tell me this shouldn't work but you may be on to something. WD.

I have looked at 11 of the top European leagues going back over seven seasons.

Laying all teams that START at odds on does return a decent profit. (Using B365 odds and after deducting 5% from all winning bets.)

I think Brass is saying you should also lay away teams that go odds on in play.

Surprised the pillow system shows a profit. Eider thought he would be down.

OP
Drivel . hth

ha ha facts
here are facts for you
1=1.04 znicz pruszkow
2=1.10 ajc ajax(w)
3=1.25 villeprawce
4=1.02 jong az alkmaar.
thats 89 free bets to stand the next batch for £20 a time   and thats only a few odds on that failed to win today.pillow cases well stacked already.
or £1780 profit laying them to lose £20 each.(a nice soft pillow case )
nearly 2 grand profit.and you call it drivel ,you must be a whale like me.

My continued research still shows the system to be profitable.

However, as stated, this is using B365 odds.  Betfair lay odds are likely to be longer. Aside from the obvious reduction in profit, this will mean that many of the teams B365 priced at >1.85, which is where many of the winning bets will arise, will be 2+ on Betfair.

how about that celtic result brass!!!

I have analysed the following leagues over eight seasons:

EPL
Eng Ch
Eng Lg 1
Eng Lg 2
Eng Conf
SPL
Bel Jup
Fra Le Champ
Ger Bund 1
Ger Bund 2
Gre EK
Ita Ser A
Neth Erediv
Por Liga 1
Spa La Liga 1
Tur Ligi 1


Laying each team that starts odds on to lose £20 returns a profit of £5,161

My advice would be don't bother.

Less than minimum wage