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By:
Deltâ
When: 27 Aug 18 22:27
be back to 50+ units soon, NAP
By:
themightymac
When: 27 Aug 18 23:19
How many units is a glass of Malt? And what is the daily recommended intake?
By:
thegiggilo
When: 28 Aug 18 00:35
Two shots daily recommended allownace,that adrian chiles is certainty to be necking 50 a week at least..
By:
tobermory
When: 28 Aug 18 00:47
Career gone the way of Elton Welsby
By:
JOMO II
When: 28 Aug 18 08:38
Only started watching it halfway through but felt there wasn't exactly much of an expert opinion/analysis/moral at the end of it all - just him um-ing and ah-ing over whether he should cut down or quit altogether.

I'm probably on 50/60 units+ a week tbh. Try to give the liver a rest on consecutive days (Mon & Tues) but will have four beers on each of the other three school nights. If I'm not going out at the weekend (when ironically I'd probably drink less) then Friday and Saturday are designated take-the-mellow-train-to-squiffyville nights... probably 12 and 10 beers respectively. Generally, I keep it to cans of 440ml 4% - 1.8 units a can. That's 34 cans a week, or 61.2 units. Plain

Not because I was exactly inspired by Chiles, but I might set about bringing this down - all about routine change for me, rather than desperation for drink (I... er... think Blush). Stay on the wagon on school nights... knock a couple of drinks off the designated stewing nights... maybe try low alcohol beer? - Or switch to Skol?!? Laugh
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 28 Aug 18 09:15
How many units is a glass of Malt? And what is the daily recommended intake?


A single measure of whisky with an ABV of 40% contains one unit of alcohol.

Recommended limit of no more than 14 units a week.
By:
1st time poster
When: 28 Aug 18 10:01
no expert but I,d guess that over a period of time 14 units of whiskey does more damage than 14 units of lager . yes/no
By:
JOMO II
When: 28 Aug 18 10:13
This is just a complete guess, but I'd say they'd get you in different ways. If you're on spirits, then perhaps the neat alcohol content would increase the chances of esophagus cancer Vs a beer drinker?? But a beer drinker would (I think) be taking on more carbs/sugar, so it would get you in other ways. But if actual unit intake is the same, I'm guessing there wouldn't be much difference to liver damage???
By:
Lady Faye Verrit
When: 28 Aug 18 10:23
Or switch to Skol?!?

When I was working for John Smiths (aka Courage) my anual drinks allowance was £35.00....

Skol lager was 12 cans for 0.60p...

My fridge was always full of the stuff, and beer for a similar price.
By:
crystalhunt
When: 28 Aug 18 10:23
JOMO - don't want to worry you but I think you're drinking at a dangerous level. Try to have just one alcohol free weekend - and see how you feel afterwards. If you can't do it you might have a problem. I have just witnessed my mate dying of sclerosis of the liver and blocked bile duct. I never thought he was a very big drinker but may have been drinking a lot more at home after his wife died of the same thing. When she was alive they used to batter the bacardi and lager. You can get sclerosis of the liver which is not alcohol related but heavy drinkers are prone to it. I've cut down a lot since he died as it wasn't very pleasant to watch. He went from 17 stone to 6 stone before he died. Don't want to sound like a preacher but once the serious damage is done it's hard to recover. Have a read of this which explains a lot about liver disease

https://healthprep.com/uncategorized/cirrhosis-of-the-liver-symptoms-and-causes/3/?utm_source=bing&utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=267593379&utm_content=1276533250018639&utm_term=signs%20of%20liver%20damage

I would add that my mate was 75 when he died but the last 4yrs of his life he may as well have been dead.
By:
Jack Hacksaw
When: 28 Aug 18 10:34
Ironically, I heard that Chiles was out on Friday night with Steve Bull and Robert Plant - celebrating Planty's 70th.
By:
Lady Faye Verrit
When: 28 Aug 18 10:36
I'm afraid, and ashamed to say it, but I'm off the scale with it!

Have a "One Stop Review" with my GP on the 26th September, and this will be foremost on the list for discussion.

I've tried to cut down, but being on my own, and with only seeing family every couple of weeks or so, it's hard to maintain the discipline...

I'm spending £70 a week on mainly vino and, as I'm a foodie, it's hard to cut back.

Have to go for a blood test, at least two weeks before, and was hoping to cut it out before then, but I don't think it will make a scrap of difference now...
By:
dambuster
When: 28 Aug 18 11:21
JOMO II • August 28, 2018 10:13 AM BST
This is just a complete guess, but I'd say they'd get you in different ways. If you're on spirits, then perhaps the neat alcohol content would increase the chances of esophagus cancer Vs a beer drinker?? But a beer drinker would (I think) be taking on more carbs/sugar, so it would get you in other ways. But if actual unit intake is the same, I'm guessing there wouldn't be much difference to liver damage???

My Mum died of Oesophagus cancer at 57 , never drank, but was a heavy smoker.Too much  Alcohol is bad for you, but not as bad as smoking imo.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 28 Aug 18 12:04
From the look of Frank Skinner who testified on the show after giving up drinking out of fear of what it would do to him, he'd be better off dead anyone.

61 years of age but appears more like 71.

He should tell himself a joke, he looks like he could do with a good laugh.
By:
JOMO II
When: 28 Aug 18 13:09
crystalhunt... don't think it's a case of you worrying me, in that I'm fully aware of the effects of alcohol and what it can do to someone - whether short term or long term (or what you think is long term but actually turns out to come round sooner than you think).

So I wouldn't for a moment try to deny that what I drink in a typical week is healthy/safe/sustainable. Not sure how much the programme last night really got into the different reasons people come to drink so much. For me, quite a lot is about routine and slow accumulation over the years. In my early teens, I did the typical binge drink at parties - keep on going until you're sick etc. I'd have one night like that a week, then not drink the rest of the week. When I started working and heading through my 20s, I still wouldn't drink during the week, and stay in more often. Maybe 5 or 6 pints on both a Friday and Saturday? That's maybe just within the old guidelines in terms of total consumption, though breaks the no-more-than-x-per-night guideline. 4/5 years ago, work changed... I was travelling a lot and staying in hotels. A combination of the social element (couple of beers after work), stress ("My God, 14 hour day and this happened and that happened - I need a drink") and probably boredom if I'm honest ("Oh great, I get to sit in this Travelodge in Liverpool all night, this is super) meant that weekday drinking crept in. And the "stress" element probably also caused an increase in Friday night drinking (end of the week factor - shattered, mortified by work etc.)   

I was made redundant about a year ago (I'm 33 now btw) and now run a consultancy from home. Less stress, less social element, less sitting alone in Travel Taverns. But I've not cut down as a result - I think I've "normalised" the quantity I drink now. I'll do my two days abstinence on Mondays and Tuesdays (who knows - maybe that's me trying to tell myself well that makes it all ok. My liver's getting a rest plus this proves I can go a day without a drink ergo not an alcoholic) but then usually have 4 beers after work Weds and Thurs. I crack 'em open at 5.30pm on the dot. I think partly it's an act to separate work life from home life, given I'm currently doing both from home. A fair question would be, tho, well why do you manage that without beer on a Monday and Tuesday?   

And then Friday and Saturday my mindset is, it's the end of the week, time to let off steam, kick back etc. etc. If we get into why do we need alcohol to let off steam, kick back etc... well of course, we don't really. Maybe culture plays a part here. End of the week in Italy, it's round to see the family and enjoy good food and wine and company. End of the week in the UK, it's how smashed can you get on a Friday night and still come across as vaguely socially acceptable (if you go in for that sort of thing Grin

I don't feel like I'm dependent on alcohol - I generally have two nights a week off as per NHS recommendation, and I can/have skipped weekend sessions - maybe I'm on taxi duty on a night out, for instance... it doesn't bother me lots. Similarly, say I had 4 beers on a Saturday - I wouldn't start clawing the furniture, it's simply that I've got into a routine, over several years. On a Saturday for instance, I'll have a couple of tinnies while listening to Sports Report... then three while watching the evening match... a couple with the curry... a couple with a film later on. I don't get to the late film slot thinking "F*ck! Need need more drink!"... it's more "ah, the late-night film ritual... no school tomorrow... trashy film and a nightcap - bliss."

I'm sorry to hear about your friend and I'm sure most of us will know someone who ultimately lost the war. You say you've cut down a lot as a result of what happened. While I think the reasons for upping your intake can be varied, it takes a significant trigger/event for someone to cut down. Because I'm "only" 33 and am showing no effects of my drinking, I'd probably admit to still being in the bubble of invincibility health-wise.

Happy to be the chit chat guinea pig and make an effort to "de-normalise" my drinking habits, tho. Anyone care to offer a market? Mon - Sun. No drink yesterday. Last week's total would actually have been 67.2 units, as one night I had 4 pints of 4% rather than 4x440ml of 4%, and another I had 4 pints of 4.8% rather than 4x440ml of 4%. Blush
By:
JOMO II
When: 28 Aug 18 13:10
So I wouldn't for a moment try to deny that what I drink in a typical week is healthy/safe/sustainable.

*not healthy.

I haven't been drinking, honest. Laugh
By:
jamesdean
When: 28 Aug 18 13:33
I didn't think Frank Skinner looks bad for 61.

Seen worse looking 31 year olds around here Blush
By:
crystalhunt
When: 28 Aug 18 13:48
Good post Jomo - the problem with alcohol and tobacco for that matter, is that there are often no bad symptoms, sometimes until it's too late so people don't see much reason in cutting down or stopping  completely. Sometimes people have to reconsider their drinking habits because of the impact of their behaviour on others and on relationships even though they may not be having adverse health symptoms.
 
Do you ever have hangovers or lose time off work.
By:
Deltâ
When: 28 Aug 18 13:59
good post JOMO II
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 28 Aug 18 15:21
At least Chiles enjoyed himself getting to look that rough.
By:
Deltâ
When: 28 Aug 18 15:26
he was born like that
By:
dambuster
When: 28 Aug 18 15:34
He looks like someone large sat on his head as a child
By:
1st time poster
When: 28 Aug 18 17:36
been in the modelling game,

TOBY JUGS
By:
paulypaul
When: 28 Aug 18 20:23
I know I drink too much. I can do 8 to 10 bottles of wine a week. I had a blood test last month as my gall bladder has been giving me merry hell after a binge. I also had an US scan to check for stones (none but two small polyps which are ok)
My liver function test was so high, I got scarred as I have a wife and two kids and I really do not want to become ill. I have a full time senior job and am 45 years old. I do my job well according to my boss, so it does not affect my work...or does it?

I've not had a drink for 8 days and am more productive all day,I just know I am, however I am going for a beer or two with my old man on Friday!

I gave up for 6 weeks 2 years ago to see if I could do it and I did...then went back to it at the same level because I thought I don't have a problem, so what the hell. Loads of units destroys the liver, end of...Yes it rebuilds itself but IF you get to stage 4 damage, you are f00ked most likely and it easily done.
By:
themightymac
When: 28 Aug 18 20:23
Thanks nick. If 1 single Malt is one unit and one is allowed 14 units per week, then I`m done. I pass my weekly allowance on one night. Perhaps I need to cut back but having said that I don`t drink every day.
By:
themightymac
When: 28 Aug 18 20:25
Who would go to a pub for a night out and meet friends and drink 2 Malts. It just doesn`t happen.
By:
1st time poster
When: 28 Aug 18 20:49
don't drink,dont smoke,watch what you eat,exercise and die of something else, your home enviroment, work,transport etc all likely to kill you more than the 1st 3
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 28 Aug 18 21:04
What does you more harm when you feel low, a few drinks or prescription drugs?

I'll go for the drink every time.

I certainly wouldn't trust the average GP to give  me drugs without checking out  the side effects first.
And even then I'd only take them if I had to.
By:
Deltâ
When: 28 Aug 18 21:13
and they say cut down, may add 2 years [at a certain level]


ffs 76 or 78 - whats the point
By:
Deltâ
When: 28 Aug 18 21:15
can you not be a social drinker who just enjoys bevvy or three these days..
By:
doantwin2easy
When: 28 Aug 18 21:25
your home enviroment

On the plus side, electrocutions have gone down massively in recent years, since people stopped messing with plugs etc.

I never knew which wire to cut myself. Used to do eenee meeny miny mo and just shut my eyes.
By:
dambuster
When: 28 Aug 18 22:07
If you Don't drink, Don't smoke, Don't gamble, and live a boring life, you don't live any longer, it just feels a lot f""cking longer
By:
themightymac
When: 28 Aug 18 22:09
LaughLaugh dambuster
By:
Deltâ
When: 29 Aug 18 14:01
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https://www.gosober.org.uk/
By:
bongo
When: 29 Aug 18 23:29
Amazing how the con that 14 units a week is the recommended maximum has seeped into public consciousness.
It's as if the J curve has been wiped from the history of public science, yet study after study confirms it.
The truth is that 14-21 units of alcohol a week is the optimal amount.
By:
The Dragon
When: 30 Aug 18 00:33
wel i shd be dead alreadt so fick that
By:
dambuster
When: 30 Aug 18 11:34
Ian Botham has at least a bottle of wine every day , and has since he was 18
By:
Facts
When: 30 Aug 18 11:52
That's 70 units a week, which is ridiculous. Death by Liver failure is a horrible way to die. Why risk it ?
By:
Crisp77
When: 30 Aug 18 11:54
Surely his mate Dominic Cork should stop him
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