Adrian Chiles, hic , bbc2 now [9pm]

be back to 50+ units soon, NAP

Two shots daily recommended allownace,that adrian chiles is certainty to be necking 50 a week at least..

Only started watching it halfway through but felt there wasn't exactly much of an expert opinion/analysis/moral at the end of it all - just him um-ing and ah-ing over whether he should cut down or quit altogether.

I'm probably on 50/60 units+ a week tbh. Try to give the liver a rest on consecutive days (Mon & Tues) but will have four beers on each of the other three school nights. If I'm not going out at the weekend (when ironically I'd probably drink less) then Friday and Saturday are designated take-the-mellow-train-to-squiffyville nights... probably 12 and 10 beers respectively. Generally, I keep it to cans of 440ml 4% - 1.8 units a can. That's 34 cans a week, or 61.2 units.

Not because I was exactly inspired by Chiles, but I might set about bringing this down - all about routine change for me, rather than desperation for drink (I... er... think ). Stay on the wagon on school nights... knock a couple of drinks off the designated stewing nights... maybe try low alcohol beer? - Or switch to Skol?!?

no expert but I,d guess that over a period of time 14 units of whiskey does more damage than 14 units of lager . yes/no

Or switch to Skol?!?

When I was working for John Smiths (aka Courage) my anual drinks allowance was £35.00....

Skol lager was 12 cans for 0.60p...

My fridge was always full of the stuff, and beer for a similar price.

Ironically, I heard that Chiles was out on Friday night with Steve Bull and Robert Plant - celebrating Planty's 70th.

JOMO II • August 28, 2018 10:13 AM BST
This is just a complete guess, but I'd say they'd get you in different ways. If you're on spirits, then perhaps the neat alcohol content would increase the chances of esophagus cancer Vs a beer drinker?? But a beer drinker would (I think) be taking on more carbs/sugar, so it would get you in other ways. But if actual unit intake is the same, I'm guessing there wouldn't be much difference to liver damage???

My Mum died of Oesophagus cancer at 57 , never drank, but was a heavy smoker.Too much  Alcohol is bad for you, but not as bad as smoking imo.

crystalhunt... don't think it's a case of you worrying me, in that I'm fully aware of the effects of alcohol and what it can do to someone - whether short term or long term (or what you think is long term but actually turns out to come round sooner than you think).

So I wouldn't for a moment try to deny that what I drink in a typical week is healthy/safe/sustainable. Not sure how much the programme last night really got into the different reasons people come to drink so much. For me, quite a lot is about routine and slow accumulation over the years. In my early teens, I did the typical binge drink at parties - keep on going until you're sick etc. I'd have one night like that a week, then not drink the rest of the week. When I started working and heading through my 20s, I still wouldn't drink during the week, and stay in more often. Maybe 5 or 6 pints on both a Friday and Saturday? That's maybe just within the old guidelines in terms of total consumption, though breaks the no-more-than-x-per-night guideline. 4/5 years ago, work changed... I was travelling a lot and staying in hotels. A combination of the social element (couple of beers after work), stress ("My God, 14 hour day and this happened and that happened - I need a drink") and probably boredom if I'm honest ("Oh great, I get to sit in this Travelodge in Liverpool all night, this is super) meant that weekday drinking crept in. And the "stress" element probably also caused an increase in Friday night drinking (end of the week factor - shattered, mortified by work etc.)   

I was made redundant about a year ago (I'm 33 now btw) and now run a consultancy from home. Less stress, less social element, less sitting alone in Travel Taverns. But I've not cut down as a result - I think I've "normalised" the quantity I drink now. I'll do my two days abstinence on Mondays and Tuesdays (who knows - maybe that's me trying to tell myself well that makes it all ok. My liver's getting a rest plus this proves I can go a day without a drink ergo not an alcoholic) but then usually have 4 beers after work Weds and Thurs. I crack 'em open at 5.30pm on the dot. I think partly it's an act to separate work life from home life, given I'm currently doing both from home. A fair question would be, tho, well why do you manage that without beer on a Monday and Tuesday?   

And then Friday and Saturday my mindset is, it's the end of the week, time to let off steam, kick back etc. etc. If we get into why do we need alcohol to let off steam, kick back etc... well of course, we don't really. Maybe culture plays a part here. End of the week in Italy, it's round to see the family and enjoy good food and wine and company. End of the week in the UK, it's how smashed can you get on a Friday night and still come across as vaguely socially acceptable (if you go in for that sort of thing ) 

I don't feel like I'm dependent on alcohol - I generally have two nights a week off as per NHS recommendation, and I can/have skipped weekend sessions - maybe I'm on taxi duty on a night out, for instance... it doesn't bother me lots. Similarly, say I had 4 beers on a Saturday - I wouldn't start clawing the furniture, it's simply that I've got into a routine, over several years. On a Saturday for instance, I'll have a couple of tinnies while listening to Sports Report... then three while watching the evening match... a couple with the curry... a couple with a film later on. I don't get to the late film slot thinking "F*ck! Need need more drink!"... it's more "ah, the late-night film ritual... no school tomorrow... trashy film and a nightcap - bliss."

I'm sorry to hear about your friend and I'm sure most of us will know someone who ultimately lost the war. You say you've cut down a lot as a result of what happened. While I think the reasons for upping your intake can be varied, it takes a significant trigger/event for someone to cut down. Because I'm "only" 33 and am showing no effects of my drinking, I'd probably admit to still being in the bubble of invincibility health-wise.

Happy to be the chit chat guinea pig and make an effort to "de-normalise" my drinking habits, tho. Anyone care to offer a market? Mon - Sun. No drink yesterday. Last week's total would actually have been 67.2 units, as one night I had 4 pints of 4% rather than 4x440ml of 4%, and another I had 4 pints of 4.8% rather than 4x440ml of 4%.

I didn't think Frank Skinner looks bad for 61.

Seen worse looking 31 year olds around here

good post JOMO II

he was born like that

been in the modelling game,

TOBY JUGS

Thanks nick. If 1 single Malt is one unit and one is allowed 14 units per week, then I`m done. I pass my weekly allowance on one night. Perhaps I need to cut back but having said that I don`t drink every day.

don't drink,dont smoke,watch what you eat,exercise and die of something else, your home enviroment, work,transport etc all likely to kill you more than the 1st 3

and they say cut down, may add 2 years [at a certain level]


ffs 76 or 78 - whats the point

your home enviroment

On the plus side, electrocutions have gone down massively in recent years, since people stopped messing with plugs etc.

I never knew which wire to cut myself. Used to do eenee meeny miny mo and just shut my eyes.

dambuster

Amazing how the con that 14 units a week is the recommended maximum has seeped into public consciousness.
It's as if the J curve has been wiped from the history of public science, yet study after study confirms it.
The truth is that 14-21 units of alcohol a week is the optimal amount.

Ian Botham has at least a bottle of wine every day , and has since he was 18

Surely his mate Dominic Cork should stop him