privatisation of prisons

I don't understand how G4S are still going.  When I was a little boy in the early 1990s my brother used to tell me jokes about them.  That's 25-ish years.  G4S and ineptitude go hand-in-hand.

If you think it's bad now, just wait until G5S take over. I'll leave terry to tell you about the dangers.

A friend of mine works in private prison Kilmarnock, he is the quietest gentle bloke you could meet, has been on tranquilizers for 3 years.

Virgincare is doing the same thing to the NHS.

Quite agree it's a nonsense to privatise prisons ; we should adopt the American system of building supermax prisons to house prison gang members thus taking them out of the normal prison system which would be of benefit to both inmates and staff.

The idea that the quest for profits is what drives excellence has been proven time and again to be utter nonsense. It doesn't improve quality, it simply leads to cost cutting, trying to get away with sh!t when no-one's looking and putting the squeeze on more vulnerable suppliers.

A pox on our capitalists.

Wouldn't surprise me if G4S employees are taking the drugs etc. into the prison. Drug dealers making more in a day than Joe Bloggs in a G4S uniform makes in a year.

What punishment do prisoners get for taking drugs ?

They receive a tut and a shake of the head.

Sorting out the prison system would be straight-forward if it wasn't for the do-gooders.

I think we need someone like Trump in charge , it is our state that is failing on our prisons ( and everywhere else )not the private companies

Aah, it's the do-gooders' fault.

Not those who operate the prison

Not the prison watchdog

Not the politicians who decided placing them into private hands was a good idea

Not the squeeze on health and social services meaning many prisoners are addicts or suffering from mental illness meaning they should be receiving treatment instead or alongside incarceration


No it's those lefty liberals. It's always their fault.

Well perhaps you can answer then pineapple , what punishment do the prisoners receive for taking drugs and being violent and disruptive ?

Tv and phone removed ?  ok with that ?

sentence increased , if violence has been used doubled ?

I believe they can get placed in solitary or have time added to their sentence.

good , if it’s true
any examples ?

Can you name one prisoner who has had his sentence increase

If I don't name one, will you then believe it never happens?

I’m just saying oeisiners don’t have their sentence increased
If they do it should be easy enough to name a few examples

Take away their tv and phone if they misbehave  ( let them read books)
Would that be acceptable ?

Why should it be easy enough to name them? Where would you expect to find the news that a burglar had his sentence upped from 9 months to 15 months? On the 9 o'clock news? In the Telegraph?




Please give evidence that they don't have their sentences increased.

pineapple I am not saying that don’t if they do that’s fine

I don’t believe they do

You've been nominated as babysitter today, PoP!

Ok, please give evidence to support your belief. Why did you come to this idea? What did you read that said no sentences were ever increased for bad behaviour?

Because I have never heard of it happening , that’s why
Have you ?

If you believe it does happen , please give evidence

You see I have heard of prisoners being let out early , might be because we can’t afford to keep them in
That’s something we know happens

No, it's ok you've convinced me. It never, ever happens.


Good day sir.

Any evidence to support your theory pineapple that their sentences are increased for bad behaviour ?

Go ahead ,,?

Thanks pp , you’ve convinced me as well :)

The trouble with prison privatisation is that it goes from working towards the public good to cell, cell, cell.

the fault lies totally with the Government Birmingham was privatised purely to break the prison officers union which was strong there with staff who believed in discipline but also cared for the prisoners in their care G4s is cheap doesn't have the training and cant get good staff because people wont put there lives at risk for that money.they were told what would happen if Birmingham went private didn't care save money don't care abt staff or prisoners they alone with cuts etc have allowed prisons to be dangerous and out of control.

Surely the appalling conditions will lead to prisoners not returning?

So it can't be as bad as they're making out if they're still queuing up to get in.

Aug 20, 2018 -- 11:47AM, lfc1971 wrote:

I’m just saying oeisiners don’t have their sentence increased If they do it should be easy enough to name a few examples

I don't know what kinda company you usually keep, but I wouldn't expect the average forum user to be closely linked to a number of drug dealing prison inmates to be able to just name them from the top of their heads.

prisoners lose days as to when they will be released.... you get your sentence halved under 5 years conviction.

so ...if you get nicked  repeatedly in prison .. you could end up doing all your sentence.

Aug 20, 2018 -- 12:56PM, Crisp77 wrote:

The trouble with prison privatisation is that it goes from working towards the public good to cell, cell, cell.

You need to know that some of us "normal" still have a sense of humour.
That was

Are you normal STUDY?

I always thought you were off your rocker.

That's because you're an idiot.

Dr Cretin

some poor souls on here don’t seem to be able to distinguish right from wrong
studyform one of the worst

I simply came back on STUDYFORM'S comment that he regarded himself as normal and he blew his top.

I can't see what's upset DIE LINKE either, he seems another very odd character.

We often see strange behaviour like this from those on the left. They're either off their rockers or skint, one of the two.

Rory Stewart took over the job in January and said he will quit if things don't improve within 12 months I think.

He points out that G4S do run some very successful prisons. He also says Govt owned prisons have problems too. I don't doubt the bloke and feel he's a man of integrity.

The riot in Brum in 2016 lead to a wing being closed. Has it reopened yet? I know thaat Stewart is seeking to reducing the numbers there.

No mention of prisoners' behaviour by the critics of the Govt. We're too soft and that is a major part of the problem.

to get a prisoners sentence increased he would have to be charged by the police and go back to court, then a lot of the punishment runs concurrent not consecutive plus assaults on staff are often considered not in the public interest to pursue due to cost of trial.

I would take his statement and frame it the only way he can make it look better is to manipulate the figures and statistics.

Yes lockup that had crossed my mind it’s not practical to try and take them all to court for bad behaviour

But if there is any form of violence then they should
I doubt that happens

lfc1971 • August 20, 2018 11:22 AM BST
Well perhaps you can answer then pineapple , what punishment do the prisoners receive for taking drugs and being violent and disruptive ?

i believe they are forced to read all your posts on the betfair forum. if that doesnt confuse them and calm them down nothing will.

who would deny that?

i see you are in good form, the net is full as ever

lfc 1971 if you watched the recent documentary on Durham you would have seen how the system operates those at the top of the pecking order get those at the bottom to take the rap for their offences in return for spice or a phone call on a mobile.

Thanks swagman I am glad to see that at least some thinkers such as yourself still appreciate good common sense

It us quite easy to monitor everything that happens in prison , only in that way will prisoners be safe from threats
In prison if is the prison authorities who are.  or should be at the top of the pecking order

Once that is understood then things will begin to improve for everyone

they have cameras but it showed prisoners covering them up or spraying stuff on them then becomes one persons word against the other.

Damage to cameras ? no tv for the individual
If it happens again , no tv for anyone on that landing
If it happens again , no tv for the entire prison
For a set time , perhaps a month
Then try again

your ideas have all been tried mate and worked years ago before privatisation and staff cuts but now prisoners virtually run all prisons very hard to regain control then be riots etc guy on tv dinner time said he had to psyche himself up for 30mins prior to his start time just to go in.

well obviously it has not been tried in any of these prisons today , in the experience of any of our prisoners today in any of our modern prisons
I would suggest they might try and do so

I don’t care too much if they riot , double the sentence at least of
anyone who does
ok with that ?

guy on tv dinner time said he had to psyche himself up for 30mins prior to his start time just to go in.

Could be genuine of course, but what an argument for an increase in wages.

Aug 20, 2018 -- 4:14PM, Dr Crippen wrote:

I simply came back on STUDYFORM'S comment that he regarded himself as normal and he blew his top.I can't see what's upset DIE LINKE either, he seems another very odd character.We often see strange behaviour like this from those on the left. They're either off their rockers or skint, one of the two.

Where did I "Blow my top"?
I don't see any blown tops!
Just you being 90% wrong (minimum) about everything crippen.

lfc - for just about the most complete idiot on the forum, you mention other forum users (in the 3rd person) in disparaging terms, in your posts rather too often.
You had no need to address me at all, but can't help it, as it is all you have.
I should feel pity really.

In fact, crippen, that isn't even good fishing.
Which takes into account how fishing is the last vestige of the truly weak.

I'm sure Treason May's fella has a stake in G4S

The exposure of the awful conditions inside prisons and the assaults that go seriously unchallenged, must put off a lot of boarders off returning.
They don't call them prisoners now by the way.

So I say more of the same.
I wouldn't pay too much attention to prison officers bleating about being hard done by, if they did their jobs properly the prisons wouldn't be full of drugs.

No longer referred to as 'screws' . I think the new term is 'mules' !

Absolutely no doubt in my mind that the majority of drugs are taken into prisons by prison workers. My solution to the violence/drugs in prisons would be to put the perpetrators into solitary for 24 hours a day on a reduced diet.Once released back into the prison population if they transgress again they'd be humanely put down.