Will Boris apologise?

Whatever happened to "Je Suis Charlie?"

I,ll have my two pennies worth again although the liberal southern snowflakes wont like or believe it,me and my ilk should be interviewed,question by the snowflakes,

I,m your average face of joe public in the north east,went to secvondary school,learned a trade,spent 40 years in and around the steelworks,had a football season tkt for most of them 40 years,go horseracing once ,twice a month,done the night club,pub,social club thing in my early years 4,56, nights a week, umpteen holidays abroad, married with a son,
now he,s the rub I,m 59 and have never in my whole life had a even a 30 second conversation with anything other than a white uk national  and most of my close family would say the same,dont think ive missed out on much and would rather stick pins in my eyes than entertain the thought of trying to converse with someone wearing a burkaha etc , and I,m sure theres millions in the same boat as myself

way cyst ho ho  that's putt you in yore plaice

1st Time Poster  : good for you, you've done absolutely nothing wrong there. Millions of people in this country would be glad to have you as a neighbour.

How do the 'progressives' like Pineapple respond to stuff like the above?

Well he usually posts a silly face.

It's right at the top of this page PP.

Apologies doc. Apologies IT. Apologies everyone. Must have missed my attention being demanded.

Disrespect for religion, including Islam, should be at the heart of feminism. In my view, all fundamentalist religion is hell for women, but Islam is somehow given a free pass by the very progressives that would not think twice about marching through London to protest the Pope’s visit, or expressing outrage at orthodox Jewish men refusing to sit next to women on flights. We need to ask ourselves why, when so many women, desperate to escape religious tyranny, are being betrayed by some of the very people that should be standing with them?


Well I'd say it's a load of old arse frankly. I'm not pro-Islam firstly. I'm not pro-any religion. Fairy tales. That's all they are. My defence of women wearing burqas or hijabs was explained yesterday. It's not on religious grounds. It's pretty simple really. If someone for whatever reason chooses to wear it then it's no business of mine. Not got a problem. Now - again, as said yesterday, if anyone has any evidence that a woman is being forced to wear it against her will, then by all means do something about it. But, despite this board full of old white men with predominantly anti-Islamic views who are suddenly taking a keen interest in the lives of Muslim women, I'm yet to hear an account of someone having a conversation and finding out if that's the case. Some geordie proudly stated he's never even spoken to anyone who's not white so I guess he's out.

As for the rest of the selected piece, I can't speak for anyone else but I wouldn't dream of protesting the Pope's visit, seems a pretty nice fella really and I'm tempted to learn more about becoming Jewish if it gets me out of sitting next to the missus for 11 hours in a couple of weeks. But it's just the usual right wing snowflakery really. Quite pathetic. The idea that every muslim woman is somehow forced to defend other people who are suffering tyranny rather than just go out and meet their mates for a coffee and not worry if their clothing is not representing someone else's plight. I've seen a couple of pieces (again carefully selected) from Muslims who are against the burka. Again, good for them. It's a free country. But I've also read plenty explaining why they choose to wear it. Again, it's a free country.

I was thinking this morning what this page was reminding me of. Closest I could get was a few years ago when I'd be taking our little one to playgroups in the morning. Generally I'd be the only bloke there and would try to be sociable but would inevitably end up reading a paper or flicking through my phone. But some of the conversations. Everyone just judging everyone else. Someone's done this to their house. Someone's been missing for two weeks and now has fewer wrinkles. And then there are the hysterical crime wave chats. Someone saw a van drive slowly up a road and suddenly there's a gang of child molesters out dragging kids into their vans.

Yeah, that's what this place reminds me of currently. You really need to stop worrying about what a bunch of women are choosing to wear in my opinion.

As the writer said all the fake diversity liberals like Pineapple id doing is 'giving more power to conservative Muslim men who seek to impose Islamic law on women and girls.'

It makes people like PP feel better to say they are tolerant but personally I am not tolerant to real misogynistic actions.

I rarely agree with PorP, in fact normally I disagree vehemently, but on this subject - and let's be clear on this subject alone - he is correct.

If lefties are so keen to embrace ever-expanding islam, leading inevitably to global sharia, positively enabling and even subsidising the advent of `convert or die`, I presume they`re all posting from Tehran? If not, if islam is to be so welcomed, why not?

Oh dear.

It seems The Guardian newspaper and the BBC both mocked the burqa, and criticised it YEARS before Johnson did.

Are they going to launch a fearless week-long attack on themselves, and demand resignations?

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https://order-order.com/2018/08/10/bbc-guardian-also-mocked-burka/

Not worried about what women are wearing at all PP.

I'm worried about my rights to free speech and humour being taken away.

I see the burka and the veil as a constant reminder to the public, about what kind of people we are dealing with here.

Polly Toynbee gets in on the act of Muslim bashing as well alun2005.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf8uYue1vtk

To be fair, i dont think anyones free speech has been taken away. Last week nobody was talking about burkas, this week loads of people are.

The only thing really under threat is boris' job and i imagine hes fine with the current situation.

detraveller..that was one of the unfuniest clip i have ever seen.

To be fair, i dont think anyones free speech has been taken away.

Go back a few decades and witness the use of the N word and the P word, along with a whole dictionary full of racially descriptive words.
Use words like that in public now and you'll be arrested.
That is loss of free speech.

Restrictions of free speech are on going, which is why people are having a go at Boris.
They're trying to shut up all criticism of Muslims by seeking to make an example of him.

who's they exactly?

It is the threat of being investigated that is silencing the debate
the police now being use politically

as with telford
40 years of abuse and a senior copper trying to make light of it

saddo • August 10, 2018 9:10 AM BST

scaredy, I am a quite regular visitor to spoons at Batley. Not much danger of seeing any round there, they'll all be up the road at Tesco.

Not been down there for a few years or more....used to get in the Wild West for a few on a Sunday mornin wi me daft mate,is it still open?

Not been down there for a few years or more....used to get in the Wild West for a few on a Sunday mornin wi me daft mate,is it still open?

Closed down 2014 ; Converted into a mosque last year !

https://www.therebel.media/boris_johnson_going_to_diversity_training_after_burqa_comments
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4 minute video included

sky did another presentation for islam

got a mob of agitators over in Denmark - they just 'happened' to be there  cough cough

sky presenter said they went to a 'largely immigrant area'  and said they 'struggled to find anyone there in favour of the burqa'

but they still found several to push the islamic line  ho ho  odd that

Restrictions of free speech are on going, which is why people are having a go at Boris.
They're trying to shut up all criticism of Muslims by seeking to make an example of him.

They are indeed DrC, spot on.

Good vid Trilby. And Ken Livingstone criticising him
Dangerous times if comments like those of Boris are banned.

I've never heard of it scaredmoney, I only go to spoons for a quick bite and a nice pint.

there pleasegivemeanailedontip shows the obtuse way they think
He says no ones free speech is being taken away

And then goes on to say that Boris might lose his job

You see people like him don’t care , and they wouldn’t care if you lost your job either should you happen to say something he or someone else felt was offensive

That’s why you can’t trust people like that

If I went to Saudi, wearing a pinstripe suit, bowler hat and swinging a brolly, I imagine there would be a few remarks from the locals. Should I be offended?

certainly

If you arrived there in obvious Christian garb you would probably not get out of the airport, RacingCert.

If he gets kicked out of the conservatives all hell breaks loose, you, me and (im guessing) a huge majority of people will voice their discontent and sympathy for Boris, May will be toast, But we arent there yet are we.

The only people moaning at Boris are the people who always moan at Boris and nobody cared what they thought anyway. Nobody has been sacked yet, no one arrested, no one is being censored, no one is apologising. its just a political game where Boris intentionally risks his job to polarise opinion between him and May.

You see don’t be under any illusions about these people. They would be prepared fir you to lose your job possibly to ruin your life even for something trivial or perhaps not so trivial , whatever , if they felt they were offended in some way

I remember when I first started work in a factory on leaving school at 16,  many years ago
We had a foreman who was pretty ruthless and often swore etc , whatever
One day one of the workers had him by the neck pinned to the ground with one hand and a hammer in the other

The other men had to rush over and seperate them
It was a terrible shock   , the foreman dusted himself down and walked away

The next day work continued  , no one lost their job
Despite the fact that the foreman was a complete ****
I always admired him for that

Which individual did you admire ? The hammer wielding worker or the foreman ?
Fair play to the worker for standing up to the bullying foreman without actually using the hammer and fair play to the foreman for taking it on the chin (not literally) and not grassing on the worker (my opinion)
Those were the days when men were men and disputes were settled in such a manner (my opinion)

I admired the foreman , no one else ( admired the men of course for rushing over so quickly and separating them )

Now I am not going to be bothered to try to explain to you why Reynard

Wouldn't expect you to try . Explanations not really your forte

Thanks for your reply , Reynard .

sorry Reynard just read your post so forget my comment

They silence discussion on these things in many countries now. But governments are not able to make people like things that they used to dislike, they are just making them bottle up their anger. This tactic will not end well.

I didn’t read what your said properly as I said
My mistake

Agree with you , although the worker went a bit overboard
He was about a foot taller than the foreman : )

But as I say I admired the foreman , always remember that

His nickname was the Tasmanian  devil !
That’s what he was like : )

No problem lfc , I had to re-read it to see what I'd said that you found offensive

Thanks , I just glanced noticed the first part where you said fair play to the worker for standing up to the bullying foreman

I should have read the rest of it as well

ps. If I have inadvertently offended anyone with any of my posts I wholeheartedly and sincerely apologise . It was not my intention to offend and my comments may have been taken out of context

:  ) nevermind all that , I must say I was glad that factory life was like that back then , coming out of a quiet school and being fairly quiet myself it
was good for me and all the rest of us also

Toughens you up when the foreman starts swearing at you : )

There is little of that these days. I laugh when I hear tradesmen offering advice to apprentices through gritted teeth when they really want to kick their arse.

Working on building sites back in the 80's there was very little Health & Safety . All you had were more experienced foremen calling you all the f'kin idiots under the sun to keep you straight . No one carried out risk assessments or filled in any forms . There was an accident book in the site office , the contents of which were often a source of entertainment

Date : 11/01/81
Incident : Paddy hit on shoulder by brick falling from 3rd floor where Mick was laying a course .
Injury : Heavy bruising and grazing .
Was Medical Assistance Required : Mick was treated in A&E for severe bruising to left cheek and fractured jaw .
Remedial Action : Job done , signed Paddy .

The motives behind this apology issue are clear enough.

The Tories calling for Boris to apologise, are simply trying to put him in a tight spot.

The ''offended'' are trying to get us all so afraid of stepping on their toes that we'll give them a free passage to do anything they wish without fear of challenge.
We see this in practise through the Asian grooming gangs who seem to have council workers in their pockets.

I say to hell with PC, and anyone who takes offence at generalisations such as the ones Boris used can go and cry in a corner.

The action of the police in various 'incidents' shows the political interest.  Note by the way the organisation Common Purpose. 
The implication is if you speak out 'you will be investigated. The met alone has 900 on trawling the net for potential hate crime.  It tells you what their priorities are.
A senior copper told sky viewers that the reason you won't see many polis on the street is because they have switched to cyber and hate crimes. But many of the 'hate crimes' are reported but are included in statistics to make out it is rife.
You have to regard the demographic in Landan to understand where the pressure comes from.  Particularly to be seen to be politically correct.  This is very dangerous.
Forget what is going on at street level.

It is all about frightening people into silence.  Does this ring a bell?

It is all about frightening people into silence


That's their game alright moisok.

We have to be careful on here as well. Somebody I was chatting to recently pulled out in passing some stuff I wrote on here nearly three years ago.
Now he's either got a photographic memory and knew where to find it, or he'd already got it written down in front of him.

But probably just a fanatic if the truth's known.

Taj Hargey interview: ‘The burka is a fifth column... we will wake in the Islamic Republic of Britain’


Taj Hargey, the Oxford imam and scholar who robustly defended Boris Johnson in the row over burkas this week, has a habit of asking vivid questions and then answering them himself with a punchiness that makes the former foreign secretary seem timid and colourless.

“Do you think that these Wahhabis, Saudis and other extremists are going to be content with the burka and niqab?” he asks. “No! [The burka] is a fifth column, it’s a Trojan horse. They are going to bring other forms of Sharia down the pike. This is not the end of the story.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/taj-hargey-interview-the-burka-is-a-fifth-column-we-will-wake-in-the-islamic-republic-of-britain-5wqhk0q8m

From the horse's mouth.

Has anyone on here, or the mainstream media accused Hargey yet of "racism", "fear" and "ignorance" yet?

JE SUIS BORIS

Makes sense to be honest.

PorcupineorPineapple

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So we should force people to dress a certain way because it upsets some people. Some woman going about her business, not doing any harm to anyone but because some incontinence pad-wearing retired major is a little put off by not being able to fully look her up and down she should be forced to change?


Don't know why people are so worried about sharia law when they want to re-badge it.

It is determintal to their health as well actually.

So's smoking. So's drinking. So's eating crisps. So's sitting on your arse watching telly. So's getting your blood pressure up getting angry at what some complete stranger you've never met before in your life is choosing to wear.

Those are individual choices , sharia law is about forcing that alien culture onto others

ie not only will they choose not to drink alcohol , they will force you not to either
That’s the difference

Only in your fevered imagination. This is simply about what a woman is choosing to wear and what that has to do with an old man who's never met her.

It is what it represents , when someone chooses to dress in a way , that because of the nature of the world we live in gas very negative associations then of course people have the right to be concerned

* has

It only represents that to people who want to get offended by everything and everyone who has a darker skin colour than them.


Why should my choice of perfectly innocent clothing be determined by an idiot who attaches his own meaning to it?

There is no point saying why be concerned , well people are concerned for very good reasons

They fear their own democratic and liberal culture being overtaken by a repressive and alien culture
That is a simple and easy thing to understand

Because that is the very nature of that culture and those countries that practice that culture , look around

Anyone who doesn’t fear that is a fool

PorcupineorPineapple • August 14, 2018 9:16 AM BST
It only represents that to people who want to get offended by everything and everyone who has a darker skin colour than them.


Why should my choice of perfectly innocent clothing be determined by an idiot who attaches his own meaning to it?

PP, you do rather engineer a question. When you refer to ‘an idiot’ there are millions who rather agree with him, whilst not professing to be of genius status we are not all idiots.

By wearing the hijab it is a very visible sign of the sort of country that they and others would wish to live in
Given the chance to vote for such a country that is what they would vote for and hope to bring about
It is totally at odds with the sort of country I would wish to live in , why would any rational person then think it is a good thing ?
I don’t know

You see it is what it represents , that is there for everyone to see
Unless you are blind

What someone wears is a mattter of personal choice , yes
But also what they wear can be a warning that your personal choice and  freedoms will be at risk
Should what that clothing represent get the chance to be in power
That is why it is not simply a matter of innocent clothing , what people choose to wear can be a warning also

Sorry racing, but when you read lfc's ramblings before and after it throws my idiot jibe into relief.


"It shows what sort of country they wish to live in"

Does it indeed?



I'd rather say that people who don't fully understand people's reasons for choosing their clothing yet being worried or offended all the same shows what kind of country they want it to be. A country where anyone considered an other is given a lower status.

I don’t care about understanding their reasons for wearing what they do
I understand that the religion it represents is a danger to a free and liberal way of life

PorcupineorPineapple  • August 14, 2018 9:16 AM BST 


Why should my choice of perfectly innocent clothing be determined by an idiot who attaches his own meaning to it?

Because it can be traumatic to someone who has been robbed at gunpoint half a dozen times by people wearing face coverings to suddenly be confronted in a public face by someone whose face is concealed . It's called a trigger and can be extremely distressing to the victim

But that's a nonsense argument reynard.

Should we ban all dark hats? All scarves?


Should we ban all cars because someone knocked down is triggered when seeing one being driven at speed?



Can't speak for everyone but I was held up about 5 times in my bookie years and I think I can distinguish between someone masked up wanting to do something iffy and a woman going to the shops.

The Burka is generally (I think) seen as a form of clothing intended to discourage communication and integration.

Pineapple it’s like this , you can’t tell how a person wants to live and in what sort of a country they want to live in by the fact that they might wear a hat or a scarf
You can if they wear the hijab
That is a warning

There’s a word I really baulk at that gets used in the news and that is ‘community’. The black community, the Asian community, the Pakistani community, the lgbt community. Self imposed segregation is what it is. Treat everyone as an individual on their merit. Ffs.

If they stop wearing the hijab and wear a hat and scarf that’s fine
Don’t confuse one with the other

Btw. Apologies for intruding into the LFC/PP exchange. I’ll try not to get in the way.

nonsense racingcert

Again lfc, it's not your place to tell a random stranger what they can and cannot wear. If you attach meaning to their clothes then that's you doing that, not them. If you want to engage with them, maybe ask and find out then that's a different story but right now you're just assuming a whole lot.

pineapple I have no intention of telling anyone anything
I am sure they will have their reasons for dressing like that , and I have my reasons to be wary if they do
Anything else us too much trouble , and I don’t see why I should go to any trouble because of the stupid actions of others

I don’t want to engage them , I’m not interested sorry

it’s also the ones that we can’t send back ( even if only in theory who don’t get sent back anyway of course )
They are perhaps a bigger problem , so that’s another good reason to have voted Brexit to stop freedom of movement
It’s not just a problem if they leave ( in theory ) it’s a problem if they stay

: ) sorry wrong thread

PP - Then you know all about PTSD .
I'm not suggesting a ban on hats , scarves etc . They have a function in certain weather conditions . Islamic face masks have no bona fide function .
Wear what you like in private but exercise consideration for others in public places .

they have been going to town on Burka Boris this morning - pure drivel and hatred - they so love to promote the peaceful ones on sky

wonderful stuff  -

I do hope this is not an islamist attack coz it happened right in the middle of defending the vulnerable islam  on sky

ho ho

A poor attempt by the MSM to divert attention away from yet another attack on our seat of power , no doubt the work of an imported loony .
Of course , if dear old Boris hadn't gone into a frenzied verbal rant and attacked some anonymous Islam Bin Liner this latest terrorist attack would never have occurred .....

It is all boris's fault no doubt about it. QED  solved by the CCDA within seconds

help me here

when have police ever issued this 'suspect is not co-operating' statement before???

Usually precedes waterboarding .................

Brilliant Trilby.

Will boris apologise for his government's racism - this sudanese chappy wasn't given enough training to drive properly on the road. This government is the absolute pits!!

https://www.tomwinnifrith.com/articles/13751/boris-johnson-rank-left-wing-hy...

Brave Iranian woman told to fix her hijab or she will be arrested rips it off and shouts garbage ! at him

She should have told the old c@nt to **** off as well

boris for pm,,  then kick them out