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chest?
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this wouldn't have happened if the 2yo had been armed
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Arm the terrible 2s?
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As long as you do a background check first.
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According to the Gun Violence Archive, ... 7,965 gun-related deaths in the United States this year so far - including 380 children under age of 11.
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Guns aren't the problem.
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Clearly in this tragic case the owner did not look after the gun correctly.
40,147 knife crimes in the UK in the year to March 2018. If its not guns its knives. We are getting ever more violent cultures in the west due to rise of gangs and imported drugs. |
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These horses getting right out of hand.
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Drugs and gangs are of course entirely new phenomena.
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Certainly on the rise in London PP.
'Gangs and weapons on the rise on London streets, front line police team warns' https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gangs-weapons-london-metropolitan-police-territorial-support-group-sergeant-paul-perversi-a8293411.html |
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Mr Lammy made the comments in the wake of a stabbing on Wednesday evening, which left 18-year-old, Israel Ogunsola, dead.
On Thursday he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: "What we’re seeing today is the worst I’ve ever seen it. There are parents, friends, families, schools traumatised and grieving. And there is absolutely no sign at the moment of reduction in the violence. “There is no single cause. What I’m concerned about is what drives the gangs in the turf wars and that’s an £11bn cocaine drugs market. We are the drugs market of Europe and I think the police and our country have lost control of that drugs market. You have children as young as 12, 13, being recruited into gangs to run drugs. “I’m hearing nothing about what we’re going to do. Drugs are prolific. It’s like Deliveroo, they’re as prolific as ordering a pizza. You can get them on Snapchat, WhatsApp. That in the end is driving the turf war and it’s driving the culture of violence that’s now becoming endemic.” If you dont believe Mr Lammy when he says there is a problem I am not sure what ever I can say o convince you PP. |
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I taught my kids not to play with matches. They were hidden but not locked up (the matches not the kids...)
For a parent to have a gun in the house that isn't in a double locked gun cabinet defies logic. We've all watched John Wayne films etc. Has anything changed or maybe just got a whole lot worse? Knives in London are different. We all have knives in the kitchen. The problem here is a complete breakdown in morality, led by absent fathers and sh*t fathers. Bring back the birch. |
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This issue - (4 year old shoots 2 year old) has nothing at all to do with knife crime in London - nor about drugs (unless there was a Calpol racket going on).
The stuff about knife crime in London/the UK is brought up by Insider Trader as an aside, because it's an opportunity to keep the on-topic stuff afloat. Especially if there the opportunity of forcing someone not of the alt-right to have to agree with a Labour MP, like it's important. What has the drug trade/knife crime in the UK/gangs, have to do with "4 year old shoots 2 year old" in the USA? |
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What has an parent not keeping a gun out of a 4 year old's hand got to do with gun control. He could have had a knife or anything if parents are not around to check.
It was not the gun that killed the poor 2 year old. It was the fact that a 4 year got hold of a weapon and used it. |
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Join the dots Study.
Family breakdown underpins all of this. The liberal dream is reaching climax. You should be happy. Break down the traditional family unit, reduce the role of fathers and bullseye..carnage. Well done! My brother stabbed me with a biro once! Boy do he pay when dad got home. See, discipline. It works. |
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It was not the gun that killed the poor 2 year old. It was the fact that a 4 year got hold of a weapon and used it.
The 2 year old that was shot by a bullet from a gun wasn't killed by a gun? FFS |
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Australia has 5,500,000 legally licenced firearms for a population of 24m. Not quite sure what you are going on about Akabula. Switzerland has a very high rate of gun ownership. Guns dont kill. People do.
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I don't dispute the need for discipline, injera.
I just think there is NO NEED AT ALL for people to own guns. |
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Of course fecking guns kill people.
If people pointed a coat hanger and shouted BANG, there wouldn't be a dead person. On the basis that not everyone can be trusted with a gun, then everyone shouldn't have one. They are not necessary for anything. |
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was lammy the one who blamed it on white coke use and supply to them?
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Studyform you are using guns to blame a wider shift in society. Switzerland is generally a much happier place than the USA. Single parent families make up 6% of households in Switzerland compared to 16% in the USA. I suggest you look at things like this rather than just blaming the tools.
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The pint IT is that strict rules on gun ownership make a difference.
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No, I'm blaming a gun for shooting a 2 year-old. Couldn't give a flying feck where the gun was from or who didn't look after it.
No gun, no dead 2 year old. |
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You cannot take guns of everyone for one tragic accident.
Akabula the automatic weapon used in Australia in the last mass shooting was already illegal. There are still millions of guns in Australia. |
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I know there are IT but there are controls on who can own them.
America could do with something similar. |
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STUDY - u are away of the mark with what ur writing. The root cause here was the owner did not have the weapon(s) out of reach from the children. It's like someone dangerously driving a car and have been involved a crash. It's NOT the cars fault. It's the person who has been driving it. Same situation here. Are u going to ban all cars because some people are wreckless??
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I don't see how that would help in this case. It was not like it was an automatic rifle used.
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One tragic accident?????
No mass shootings then, or murders all over the place? No guns, no mass shootings either. Kriskin. We need cars to travel, we don't need guns. Eventually and with some luck we may even have driverless and accident-free cars. We still won't need guns. |
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Without guns how do people defend themselves from the criminals or if the government goes rogue. How do people hunt? The British took arms off the settlers and then repressed them. With no arms they could not defend themselves.
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Do you think the arms of a rogue government could be repelled with a gun?
Criminals fought off with guns just commit more crimes with guns. Do you have a gun? |
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I live in the UK. So no.
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In that case, how do you fend off criminals and a rogue government?
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Or get dinner?
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STUDY - i'm not disagreeing with some of ur points. In this instance it was the owner of the weapon who is at fault.
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Without question Kriskin and no doubt the family will never properly recover from this tragedy.
This makes the point even more valid. No gun, no careless parent has a gun for this type of accident to happen. It's not like it's the first time there's been an accidental fatality with a gun. |
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Darwinism at work. I don't see what the problem is here.
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