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Stow_judge
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Aging population on course to wipe out Germany’s finances within 30 years

Germany’s current pensions system is unsustainable as millions are due to retire while the population shrinks. In the absence of reform, its public debt could dwarf Greece’s in a few decades, a study has found.

It doesn’t look like it, but Germany’s best years may well be behind it. It’s common knowledge that the country’s population has been steadily aging for decades. As a result, the share of retirees in the overall population is becoming a greater burden on public finances. But a new study by the Bertelsmann Foundation shows just how tremendous the problem could become in a matter of decades if nothing is done about it. And the picture looks bleak.

The study, which Handelsblatt has seen ahead of a conference of Germany’s government pensions committee next week, predicts that as millions of baby-boomers retire within the next few years, Berlin’s sacrosanct budget surplus will be wiped out as early as 2020. And things will go downhill from there.

While in 2020 there will three workers for every person over 65, the ratio will drop to 1:1 by 2035, the Bertelsmann Foundation has calculated. That does not bode well for a country where pensions, health care and old-age care are mostly funded with mandatory social contributions paid by workers. Their contributions are set to balloon to almost 50 percent of their incomes by 2040 from 40 percent today if Berlin fails to reform its pensions system.

Martin Werding, economist, Bertelsmann Foundation
That won’t be nearly enough to keep Germany’s finances afloat, however. The country will witness an “explosion” of its budget deficit and public debt from 2040 onward, the report says. By 2032, the deficit of Europe’s largest economy will exceed the 3 percent limit dictated by the European Union. And by the end of the 2040s, it will mushroom to 9 percent of the country’s GDP. As a result, Berlin’s debt will start rising again in less than two decades, to 80 percent of GDP by 2040 and 208 percent in 2060 (see charts below). That’s more than Greece’s current public debt-to-GDP ratio. “Germany’s public finances under current laws are unsustainable,” the study emphasizes.

The analysis also extrapolates that in 2080, Germany will have accrued an eye-watering 467 percent of its GDP in debt. Of course, this calculation is unlikely to be accurate, as are most predictions on such a long time span. But the extrapolation shows how dangerous the current trend is. Yet, Bertelsmann economist Martin Werding, who authored the study, is fairly confident that his predictions up to 2040 are reliable.

Worth still, he believes little can be done to change course until then. The economist based his calculations on fairly conservative assumptions: more than one percent of GDP growth per year over the next decades, net migration at 150,000 annually, and a birth rate of 1.4 children per woman. But, Mr. Werding notes, “the evolution of costs and contributions remains nearly identical until 2040 regardless of the demographic scenario.” The booming labor market, higher birth rate and high immigration Germany has seen in recent years have just slightly reduced the long-term demographic risks, he finds.

Those findings fly in the face of policies the German government has enacted in recent years. The labor ministry has backed up the costs of the pensions system until 2030, so until then the welfare state is financially viable. But after that, it’s a leap into the unknown.

In the longer term, Germany can mitigate this evolution by bringing more women and seniors to the job market. But the government is not doing much to address this. In the last election campaign, economists urged Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservative Christian Democrats to start a discussion on raising the legal retirement age to 70 from 67 currently. But their calls fell on deaf ears.

Germany will also need a higher birth rate and more immigrants to take up jobs as baby boomers retire. But this means the government will have to spend a lot more on education and on family policy instead of hoarding budget surpluses.

Or Berlin could just keep doing what it has done until now: Do nothing and hope things will magically sort themselves out. Maybe that’s why the government’s pensions committee will convene at the Berlin headquarters of the German Lutheran Church next Wednesday — the commissioners will pray for a miracle to save us.

Martin Greive and Gregor Waschinski are political correspondents for Handelsblatt based in Berlin.

https://global.handelsblatt.com/politics/aging-population-germany-deficit-pensions-bertelsmann-demographics-demography-budget-retirement-baby-boomers-930654
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Report conditor June 29, 2018 7:29 PM BST
You read to much bud
Report detraveller June 29, 2018 7:45 PM BST
Europe has a demographic issue. It was completely different 15 years ago and it will have changed vastly in 30 years time. I don't know how serious the pension issue is but any serious issue that has the potential to destroy the basic welfare system or the society will be preceded by a war. And it will be the war that will be responsible for it. Hope you get the point.
Report macarony June 29, 2018 7:50 PM BST
This report obviously as not taken into account AI and automation that will wipe out most jobs. Time to build self sufficient economies the days of selling finished goods to each other is finished
Report terry mccann June 29, 2018 7:52 PM BST
it wouldn't Mac,the world has changed very quickly
Report kincsem June 29, 2018 9:55 PM BST
The only thing wrong with that report is it is full of bullsh1t

unsustainable … a study has found … common knowledge … picture looks bleak … things will go downhill … has calculated … does not bode well … set to balloon  …
“explosion” of its budget deficit  … will mushroom … unsustainable … study emphasizes … extrapolates … eye-watering … worth (?) still … fairly conservative assumptions …
fly in face of policies … it’s a leap into the unknown … calls fell on deaf ears … hope things will magically sort themselves out … commissioners will pray for a miracle to save us
Report brassneck June 29, 2018 11:05 PM BST
the germans own british gas and british rail,that would pay their pensions after brexit if they put an extra charge for the use of it.Whoops
Report InsiderTrader June 30, 2018 9:33 AM BST
They should have kept the incentive systems that were brought in back in the 1930s and were present in East Germany for decades to encourage people to have more children.

Importing millions of people with a different culture to pay taxes to prop up an aging population was never going to work.

Emergency worldwide interest rates the last decade has also destroyed pensions.
Report STUDYFORM June 30, 2018 11:13 AM BST
Yes, that's the idea... They should re-initiate all those 1930's Germany political ideals. That's the way forward.



sheesh!
Report detraveller June 30, 2018 11:18 AM BST
Maybe we can take up all the jobs and do them ourselves. Throw in a bit of discrimination when hiring any non-German. Once they don't have any jobs to do, they'll run away themselves.

I wonder why it doesn't happen that way...
Report TheBetterBettor June 30, 2018 11:32 AM BST
It's help yourself economics......They can't put us all in jail.
Report InsiderTrader June 30, 2018 11:47 AM BST
STUDYFORM
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Yes, that's the idea... They should re-initiate all those 1930's Germany political ideals. That's the way forward.

^

Do you think giving loans to people newly married to help them start a family and bonuses for those who have children is a bad idea if there is a demographic timebomb?
Report DIE LINKE June 30, 2018 12:57 PM BST
Reminds me of the advert from an Almodovar film "Why do Germans retire to villas in Mallorca while Spaniards eat from bins?"
Report lfc1971 June 30, 2018 1:05 PM BST
Great underlying problems in Germany , the average person has almost no personal financial wealth  or property
more inequality than in countries such as Britain and France and Spain
Report Crisp77 June 30, 2018 1:20 PM BST
Old people don't need alot. If they can keep the rent low and food prices cheap and use renewable energy they will be ok.
Report Just Checking June 30, 2018 3:34 PM BST
You need to factor in the cost of Vurthers Originals
Report screaming from beneaththewaves June 30, 2018 4:37 PM BST
Should have called this thread Die Leiden des alten Werthers imo.
Report Foinavon June 30, 2018 5:15 PM BST
I have a recording of that, it was written by Gustav Mahler in memory of his grandparents.
Report jed.davison July 1, 2018 10:54 AM BST
I still have nightmares about having to read the Sorrows of Young Werther, an absolutely dire book imo.
Report lfc1971 July 1, 2018 1:52 PM BST
of course the Americans were stupid enough to help them after the war and before long they were swaggering around again like they were the victors ,
remarkable really
Report moisok July 1, 2018 1:56 PM BST
NOW running europe without a shot fired
Report InsiderTrader July 1, 2018 2:40 PM BST
Not stupid from a USA point of view. A weak poor Germany not friendly to the USA would have encouraged Corbyn style Marxism to spread throughout Western Europe.
Report detraveller July 1, 2018 11:29 PM BST

Jul 1, 2018 -- 1:52PM, lfc1971 wrote:


of course the Americans were stupid enough to help them after the war and before long they were swaggering around again like they were the victors , remarkable really


They actually helped themselves. And are still sitting in Germany in large numbers. Both Germany and UK are american lapdogs(UK a bit more than us i'd say as we usually at least object to fighting every American war, UK just blindly supplies unlimited sheep).

THey have done a great job though in allowing people of both countries to think they are sovereign nations.

Report lfc1971 July 2, 2018 6:26 AM BST
^ ungrateful too, no one likes to be thankful .
Report DIE LINKE July 2, 2018 11:36 AM BST
Jed, should be renamed "Die Leiden der jungen Leser"
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