another Shipman in Hampshire hospital?

The health secretary described the findings as "truly shocking".
He said "brave nurse whistle blowers" had first raised concerns in 1991, as well as families.
He added there had been a "catalogue of failures", including by the Department of Health.
A report first compiled by Prof Richard Baker in 2003 - and published 10 years later - found evidence of an "almost routine use of opiates" since 1998.
Speaking in the Commons, Mr Hunt asked why it had taken 10 years for this to be made public.
'Closing of ranks'
At the launch of the inquiry four years ago, former Care Minister Norman Lamb said it would address what he called "unanswered questions" about the care of those who died.
"There has been a real systemic failure here. . . a closing of ranks in my view," he said.
Shadow Health Secretary Jonathan Ashworth said the "substantial" 370-page report would take time to absorb.
"Families were too readily dismissed, it's shameful," he said.
As well as hundreds of death certificates, the panel analysed documents from the police, coroners, the NHS and other organisations.
The panel included geriatric medicine specialist Dr Colin Currie, investigative journalist David Hencke, former Scotland Yard Commander Duncan Jarrett and pathology and medical records expert Dr Bill Kirkup.


same old story innit, nobody takes notice of what public says, in these cases

"Institutionalised practice of shortening lives" at Gosport War Memorial hospital...


Hitler would be proud

Worse than Shipman. This was institutionalised.

Reminds me of the story about the doctor who dies and ascends to heaven where he is met by St Peter at the Pearly Gates. As St Peter greets the doc someone walks by with a stethoscope round his neck. The doc asks St Peter "Who is that"? St Peter says " Take no notice, that's God, he thinks he's a doctor"!

tbh if I'm in pain then I want some serious painkillers. These cases can make doctors err on the side of caution. I've seen a couple of people die and it was not pleasant.

In Gosport was it like Shipman -- murdering healthy people -- or unintended overdoses making a difference of a couple of hours?

They wouldn't have been in hospital if they were healthy but based on what I've read they weren't in pain.

From what I read a lot of it was unsuitable treatment at best and allegedly negligent treatment at worst.

If they were ready to go, morphine is far better than starving to death on the blandly named 'Liverpool Pathway'.

But Saddo- from what I read very few were anywhere near deaths door!

And I believe in assisting patients end where suitable!

I agree with your last comment Dr S.

Saddo Spot on, My dad went down that Route after a Stroke ,unreal the last week or so unbearable to have to watch , Should have been all gathered to say good bye and a Simple Overdose of what ever Heart stops thats it . The Starving pathway Dont
want to go off subject but animals die with more dignity and in peace than a lot of Humans do .

Back to the Subject , How much money will this cost the NHS Its incredible what is going on in this day and age ?

Horrible to watch loved ones going so some assistance can often be appreciated but this begs more investigation. One aspect hat worries me is the usual bureaucratic response may take the form of we have to get more than one doctor to certify cause of death,tying up more resources and adding to delayed treatment and costs.

Do they not Keep Death Statistics A simple BOD looking at at Monthly Graphs could surely pinpoint something is not Right ?

For each hospital .

I am actually going to have a  no-rescutitation notice put in place but these people were apparently in a "rehabilitation" hospital.
Doesn't sound like Shipman. One doctor ( not a Muslim or I daresay this thread would have 10 times more posts ) seems to have been at the centre of it but a lot of others have to have been involved.

If you believe in assistance at the end YOU MUST HAVE AN ADVANCE DIRECTIVE! My late mother had several strokes. On admittance to hospital the consultant was given a copy of her Advance Directive. She was obviously not going to get better. The day before her passing she went into a sort of coma. I spoke to the Consultant and told him clearly what was expected. He said, and I quote "Thank you, you have made my life a lot easier". That evening they took out all the tubes and in the morning she was gone. She was asleep and went without pain and without the administration of drugs. The thing is, it depends on the attitude of the doctor in charge of the case. However, if you strongly believe in the non continuance of a terminal medical condition, express your wishes IN WRITING to the doctor in charge either with an Advance Directive or otherwise. With the current culture of litigation there is every chance your wishes will be adhere to.


I joke about on these forums a lot, but this is a very serious matter and this is good advice!

Dr Jane Barton just a gave statement read by her husband.....did a nutty stare into camera for 20 secs....looks a wrong 'un !

'There was no medical justification' for the drugs being administered. That was in the report.

Quite why the Dr isn't on a charge is beyond me.