another day another mass shooting in the usa

FFS not again! There is simply no way of stopping it

End the gun free zones that are sitting ducks.

Why always schools?? How cowardly can you get

Always seems to be former students. They are also usually unprotected with no one carrying arms inside.

Why would you kill people you don't know and therefore have no grievance against?

None of these shootings seem to be targeted. It's just killing for killing sake.

We need more guns. Bigger guns. Bigger bullets. Hand grenades in every school. There is literally no other way of stopping it.

Bit like the arms race , more weapons lead to a better chance of peace eh ?

If some areas are gun free whilst the rest of country is full of guns it makes the gun free area more vulnerable.

Of course the world would be a better place if guns and bombs had never been invented.

Guns in every school > McDonalds being vulnerable, so guns there > the local shopping centre being vulnerable, so guns there > the creche being vulnerable, so guns there etc etc et bloody cetera.


That plan has more holes than the walls of a school after the latest loonball's taken a semi-automatic to class.

They'll be screaming for gun control because of this. So transparent.

local shopping centre and McDonalds will contain people carrying guns.

ok then, just guns in creches and nurseries then and America will go from most mass shootings in the entire world to zero.

Is it still too soon to talk about the last school shooting btw or are we still squarely in thoughts and prayers mode?

Have Tramp and the NRA tweeted anything yet ?

A 17yo and explosives were found, what a crazy country.

I think America needs to quickly revert back to transgender toilets and police brutality. Or some other nonsense. This gun issue is getting serious and is going to cost some politicians a lot of money and effort.

Americans are paranoid, hence all the guns. Must get a gun to protect me from someone with a gun. Yet another terrible tragedy. They need to wise up.

grandfathers of the students should stand armed guard at the schools

now until the leftists and liberals get real nothing can be done , they are as much part of the problem so pipe down about what can be done
You have been told what can be done

I bet it's stopped a lot of bullying in schools.

Many of these students should not be at school , they are too old
school leaving age should be 14, no older than 16

14 is still too old. I say as soon as they hit 10 throw them out.

Then strict censorship of the internet and violent films and  video games etc

This is why society is becoming so violent

You don’t like to hear that do you, easier to blame Trump

It’s the culture, look at the culture, look at the culture

Just another sick hoax is what it is. Yet again we have witnesses smiling and laughing, doctors with slip of the tongue sying

...doctor accidently let slip "We're always prepared for drills"

lfc living in his trump spaceship yet again

Yes it’s America you say , well they are America they’re ahead of the game

And of course strict gun ownership must come in , how they do that I don’t know

Imagine going to college with the thought you may not make it through the day. What a sad World we live in.

Why does Tramp not show any leadership on this issue , because he is in the pockets of the NRA

It’s not a simple issue anxious, now Trump made the sensible suggestion that there should be armed security at schools, even teachers
But look at the pitiful reaction to this common sense suggestion
It would be the first step
And then look at the overall problem

But as I say it is the usual anti trump types who will let this continue ,
If Obama’s had suggested it they would have been quite different

Well you can see some of them and the comments here,
The problem is one of society and the society they have created
And they don’t like to take responsibility

Society is losing it's mind. No Dad ? Any problems stuff 'em with drugs from the doctor. Not really about guns. Knives crossbows cars etc can be used. It's going to get much worse year by year.

Not about guns really ? if you have more guns available then more mass killings surely

Society isn't losing it's mind. That's just what they want you to think, so they can create their orwellian paradise. For your own security and safety of course.

ban the guns then shoot anyone who has one

that would do it

May 18, 2018 -- 7:59PM, lfc1971 wrote:

It’s not a simple issue anxious, now Trump made the sensible suggestion that there should be armed security at schools, even teachersBut look at the pitiful reaction to this common sense suggestionIt would be the first stepAnd then look at the overall problem But as I say it is the usual anti trump types who will let this continue , If Obama’s had suggested it they would have been quite different

Everyday I think you can't get worse and then you surprise me.

one arrives as one posts

they dive in like lemmings over a cliff

Another day some old script.

same old rhetoric from the president as well - these shootings will keep happening and they'll keep saying the same old thing, trying to kid themselves that the USA is not a complete mess

Its like this event never even happened

CNN/BBC/ etc have all dropped it down the page and are now running with some plane crash and the Royal Wedding

Absolutely bonkers

it's getting so commonplace now we are blase about it. oh another shooting. just an everyday occurrence now. it's not even shocking anymore. people will eventually all become numb to it. when people stop crying about it that's when you've got to worry because humans will have that much ptsd they aren't even shocked by it any more and are just numb. "oh well we'll rebuild". there are darker times coming, people.

One of the murdered girls was Pakistani exchange student Sabika Sheikh.

Her family back home in Karachi must have been thinking she'd got the good end of the exchange.

Why would you kill people you don't know and therefore have no grievance against?

Because you're in the army now..

Sean Hannity has the answer guys

https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/05/18/following-texas-high-school-shooting-sean-hannity-calls-government-monitor-every-students-social/220256

SEAN HANNITY (HOST): It's not a gun issue. Every time it happens, the worse -- it's always a different gun. So that's not the issue here. The issue here -- well, there is some issues with gun safety, you can't let mentally ill people have guns. Criminals don't obey the laws by their very nature. We also have to have, every school district needs to have some person that monitor's every kid's social media postings, maybe they need two people. This is a reality now that they're telegraphing what they're going to do. Terrorists do it. These school shooters do it.

lfc's garbage in this thread is amazing, even by his standards

Hannity - its always a different gun - jesus wept these are the kind of people that have influence in America today

People killed by handguns last year:

Japan - 10
UK - 50
Switzerland - 47
Canada - 611
Israel - 105
Sweden - 41

The United States - 38,658

Sean Hannity has two points of some interest.

First, he says mentally ill people should not have guns. Last year President Trump revoked an Obama measure to extend background checks for mental illness before buying guns.

Second, schools should monitor social media posts. I don't know but I'd be surprised if there are not already computers doing this to identify terrorists. If so, it could be extended to school shootings. You'd still need human evaluation but that could be centralised.

anyone who believes those figures by Donny will believe anything

for a start there are about 30,000 suicides every year in Japan

Maybe 40,000 in America
In Japan they don’t have guns, in America they do
How many America suicides were by gun, take that off the total

And how many Japanese suicide were not by gun , but would have been

Now that’s just a start , they are other factors to subtract from America’s gun deaths also
Completely false numbers

There is no point quoting numbers if you don’t understand numbers

Stop talking $hyte

Read this
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/kids/the-gun-massacre-america-isnt-talking-about/news-story/2ce3d693d182cb31ca7dbab186b2564c

can we get some numbers on how little violent tv and computer games are being watched/played elsewhere compared to america

May 20, 2018 -- 6:42PM, Ramruma wrote:

Sean Hannity has two points of some interest.First, he says mentally ill people should not have guns. Last year President Trump revoked an Obama measure to extend background checks for mental illness before buying guns. Second, schools should monitor social media posts. I don't know but I'd be surprised if there are not already computers doing this to identify terrorists. If so, it could be extended to school shootings. You'd still need human evaluation but that could be centralised.

next we should get to read all your texts and emails, you know just to make sure that you aren't going to commit any crimes

crystal hunt I have explained to you why donnys figures are sh1te

Now if you want to come up with the real facts go ahead

Start with how many murders by gun, not suicide. not police killing of villains , not accidents , not gang warfare
Murders of innocent people , go ahead .....

lfc - as you know sources for this data are multiple and various.  But here's one that purports to be for 2015.  You'll no doubt have better and more up to date info.

"Compared to 22 other high-income nations, the U.S. gun-related murder rate is 25 times higher.[12] Although it has half the population of the other 22 nations combined, the U.S. had 82 percent of all gun deaths, 90 percent of all women killed with guns, 91 percent of children under 14 and 92 percent of young people between ages 15 and 24 killed with guns.[12]"

Blackburn that’s not murder of innocent people , that is gang related deaths
America has gang murders due to the very make up of its society , similar to Brazil and Mexico and Honduras etc
There is no point in saying that America is a rich country, no it’s not
Not any more so than Brazil or Mexico and it has the same gang land problems

Now I asked murder of innocent people  ...

..

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org

Not accidents or suicide or police shooting or self defence etc

Home 2018
Total Number of Incidents 22,070
Number of Deaths1 5,465
Number of Injuries1 9,965
Number of Children (age 0-11)
Killed or Injured1 236
Number of Teens (age 12-17)
Killed or Injured1 989
Mass Shooting2 102
Officer Involved Incident
Officer Shot or Killed2 104
Officer Involved Incident
Subject-Suspect Shot or Killed2 869
Home Invasion2 781
Defensive Use2 626
Unintentional Shooting2 641
Gun violence  and crime incidents are collected/validated from 2,500 sources daily – incidents and their source data are found at the gunviolencearchive.org website.

1: Actual number of deaths and injuries
2: Number of INCIDENTS reported and verified

22,000 Annual Suicides not included on Daily Summary Ledger

Numbers on this table reflect a subset of all information
collected and will not add to 100% of incidents

Data Validated: May 20, 2018

What are the figures donny.  The last ones you gave were very misleading
Well downright wrong

Blackburn that’s not murder of innocent people , that is gang related deaths


doubt it, going by these 2 in particular.

90 percent of all women killed with guns, 91 percent of children under 14

You see they included suicide didn’t they , and the Japan figures didn’t include suicide
Why not ?

How many women killed in Japan , without guns ?

lfc - leaving aside your view that gang related deaths cannot by definition be "innocent people", please quote any of the stats you have read that inform your view.

As I said the source of date on this subject is multiple and various.  How about quoting some that you agree with, instead of just dis'ing others views.

well so far the only stars I see are those by funny
They were as i have had to explain , wrong and either deliberatedly so and misleading

Or misunderstood

there is a perfectly innocent explanation to 90% of something happening in 33% of a total population

stats by donny

Now have you any more ?
That is murder by gun in America

It’s a very simple question, 50,000 American deaths
And 10 Japanese

That is complete sh1te

the link is there

each report is detailed if you have a few years to read through them

there will be new additions tomorrow, and the day after .....

so no new figures then.  Good

lfc - So which set of stats on this thread are you happy with?   Donny's of 20.07.   Is that it??   Nothing at all from you?

Blackburn I don’t know the figures , but what I do know is how to understand figures when I see them

So to repeat, which set of figures are you relying on, in order to understand them and form your apparently solid view on the subject??

If I understand your assertion correctly; It is that gun related homicide of "innocent" people is no worse in the USA than in other large/developed countries.

Do I describe your position correctly?

Blackburn let me make this as simple as possible for you

I was disagreeing with donnys figures , I have explained why and I have explained why they are wrong
I can’t be any clearer than that

Ok.  Post some data you do agree with.

Let me make it as simple as possible for you too........Post some data you agree with!

Oh and to repeat...

Which set of figures are you relying on, in order to understand them and form your apparently solid view on the subject??

If I understand your assertion correctly; It is that gun related homicide of "innocent" people is no worse in the USA than in other large/developed countries.

Do I describe your position correctly?

You're wasting your time Blackbarn - he's a serial destroyer of threads. Sensible discussion goes out of the window the moment he arrives.

HEY HANG ON

I am hear as swell

take the guns off 'em

that wood do it

thank me later

Wow I missed that conversation.

Mass shootings in America happen because youngsters play video games with graphic content. Video games should be banned. Simple as that. Now that will solve the problem of people shooting children in schools.

Looks like lfc didn't take the bait.

why is this fred on the horse racing forum ?

a complete idiot the op is.