Wee alfie gone

RIP

Sad story that reduced me tears while driving. Its a shame he was not given a chance to go to Italy and have a chance however small. The parents not the state should make these kind of decisions.

sad case but the childs well being has to be put first and that works both ways

He died months ago.  His body was held hostage by the revolting "Alfie's Army".

InsiderTrader • April 28, 2018 9:00 AM BST
Sad story that reduced me tears while driving

Yeah right

My wife died ten years ago several times. Was revived and given next to no chance of surviving by doctors. She is still with me today. Never give up hope and never stop trying.

true alfie should have been given a chance might have been a million to one chance but he should have been given that chance of life

He didn't have a million to one chance.  It was a zero chance.

Nothing is a zero chance.

Italy gave him citizenship.

The Vatican offered him treatment.

Doctors were willing and paid for to fly him to Italy.

The British state stopped him going.

In any event it's about saving as many people as possible with the resources available.  You use resources to save one in a million cases, one in ten cases aren't going to get the help they need. 

Very pleased that your wife pulled through Insider.

Plenty of things are zero chance.  There's zero chance I'll play for England in the World Cup.

clydebank29 doctors also gave that boy about 3years ago a zero chance where his dad had to kidnapp his own son and take him abroad for treatment hes now running around with his friends and is clear of cancer hope the doctors there were sack

Thanks. Me too.

In this case the air ambulance, people to run it and the foreign treatment were already sorted so it was not a resources issue.

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Plenty of things are zero chance.  There's zero chance I'll play for England in the World Cup.

^

You never know.

It is unlikely but possible.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23065970

Apr 28, 2018 -- 10:54AM, InsiderTrader wrote:

Nothing is a zero chance.Italy gave him citizenship.The Vatican offered him treatment.Doctors were willing and paid for to fly him to Italy.The British state stopped him going.

In case you hadn't noticed we have an independent judiciary, who heard from both sides and made a decision, but then again as your type call judges "enemies of the people", I suppose it isn't a surprise.

You really are quite heartless dave.

They have been many cases where doctors have got it wrong.

They are not gods.

There is so much of medical science that is not understood yet.

doctors do think they are gods

InsiderTrader .

Sad story that reduced me tears while driving. Its a shame he was not given a chance to go to Italy and have a chance however small. The parents not the state should make these kind of decisions.

Utter crap.  Poor little man is free from his scouse chav parents and the godbothering Alfie's Army.

Mad Dog Man well named you idiot.  Poor kid was already dead in all but name.  Doctors and surgeons and for that matter the judiciary know the law better than scouse chav grief-junkies.

British doctors had given up. In Italy...

Mariella Enoc, chief of Bambino Gesù Hospital, said a plane was ready to collect the child.

She told Italian media: “We are ready, the plane is at Rome Ciampino Airport with the doctors on board.

“The Italian Embassy in England is also looking for an ambulance to take the boy from the hospital to the airport.

“The airplane, I repeat, is ready to take off at Ciampino, the doctors and the equipment are there, the team is ready.”

If this man had not been white working class from Liverpool maybe you would take a different view.

He wasn't going to Italy for a cure.

Apr 28, 2018 -- 11:28AM, InsiderTrader wrote:

They have been many cases where doctors have got it wrong. They are not gods. There is so much of medical science that is not understood yet.

You think these scumbags are fine as well?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/apr/27/more-than-120-homeopaths-trying-to-cure-autism-in-uk

if you had a son or grandson you or anybody would take any chance given to save them

MDM Spot on ,some rediculous comments on Here ,People go to places Like Lourdes in the vain hope of a Miracle ..

As I stated on another thread we all Live in Hope and will Die in Despair .. The trip to Italy was in place no reason not to

let him go ,If he died on route what Difference he would have had Medical staff with him ..

Thousands of people sitting around care homes etc practically Brain Dead they do not even know what day it is , If you want to

save the NHS money start there ....

Aysha King was denied treatment by the NHS for a Brain tumour because 'there was nothing they could do'.

Parents took them to the Czech Republic for  proton beam therapy, now the tumour has gone and he's fighting fit.

Unfortunately in this case it was cruelty keeping him alive. I would like to think in the same situation I would have the strength to let go, but can imagine with the emotion of your own child involved, you take leave of your senses and try anything and everything.

Take each case on it's merits.

Insider Trader

The baby had a degenerative brain disease. Scans showed practically all of his brain tissue and been destroyed.
There was absolutely zero chance of ' recovery' . He had only been kept ' alive' by machines.

Very dad, but all talk of treatment and hope, was delusionary.

I agree STUDYFORM.

very sad for the family but the child's brain was mush. unfortunately the usual suspects have jumped on the bandwagon trying to send us all back to the dark ages

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Insider Trader

The baby had a degenerative brain disease. Scans showed practically all of his brain tissue and been destroyed.
There was absolutely zero chance of ' recovery' . He had only been kept ' alive' by machines.

Very dad, but all talk of treatment and hope, was delusionary.

^

Yet the Italian doctors took a different view from the medical information available.

For Dave:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/nick-ferraris-deeply-personal-reason-alfie-evans/

scandanavian_haven • April 28, 2018 1:23 PM BST
Aysha King was denied treatment by the NHS for a Brain tumour because 'there was nothing they could do'

fake news - he was offered other treatments

Ye of little faith and Hope where will thee search in your darkest hours ...

@insider trader presumably their italian doctors were just as qualified as their russian lawyer. who by the way should be deported imo.

In court, Pavel Stroilov, the Christian Legal Centre law student representing Alfie’s parents, came in for the most searing criticism this week. He was described by Hayden as a “fanatical and deluded young man” whose submissions to the court were “littered with vituperation and bile” that was “inconsistent with the real interests of the parents’ case”.

A Russian exile who has worked as a researcher for the current Ukip leader, Gerard Batten, since 2011, Stroilov was behind the attempt by Alfie’s parents to pursue a private prosecution for murder against three Alder Hey doctors.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/28/call-from
-god-american-pro-lifers-role-in-alfie-evans-battle

So you would not wish for your child to be treated at Ospedale Pediatrico Bambino Gesù?

If you lived in Rome you would say 'no thanks I want to go somewhere else'?

That is fine. But why deny people who do want to be treated at a top European children's hospital if the parents wish?

Why make out I am lying saying I cried because this story people phoning in on LBC reminded me of how my own wife died and was written off and survived?

You are indeed a heartless person. You see everything in black and white. You accept the status quo and never question anything. Do you believe in anything outside of what you see in front of your face or people with degrees tell you are the facts?

Lot of Peoples Blood Boiling on here on summat that has SWEET F.A to do with them ,I would like to point out that Boiling Blood can be a dangerous Condition .

The last thing the NHS or the government want to see, is people in the news going abroad and getting better medical treatment.
Because people might begin to realise that our NHS is not all it's cracked up to be.

Does anyone know the reason given for refusing transportation to Italy?
Would all future costs be borne by the Italian hospital or would open-ended costs be referred back to UK taxpayers?