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Report DenzilPenberthy April 11, 2018 1:20 AM BST
Facts did you watch that Boxing video I posted weeks ago?
Report akabula April 11, 2018 1:31 AM BST
One word Facts. Immigration.
Report Facts April 11, 2018 1:31 AM BST
??
Report Facts April 11, 2018 1:32 AM BST
To DP
Report akabula April 11, 2018 1:33 AM BST
Take a walk around London (well the parts you can still visit) and you'll see the problem first hand.
Report DenzilPenberthy April 11, 2018 1:35 AM BST
I posted a video a while back for you Champions Forever lots of Muhammad Ali footage
Report DenzilPenberthy April 11, 2018 1:37 AM BST
I thought it was you anyway the person I was talking to was a big Muhammad Ali fan
Report DenzilPenberthy April 11, 2018 1:56 AM BST
akabula
11 Apr 18 01:33
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Take a walk around London (well the parts you can still visit) and you'll see the problem first hand.

John Rambo would think twice
Report Facts April 11, 2018 2:15 AM BST
DP

Yep. I'm a big fan of Ali. Didn't catch your video though.
Report detraveller April 11, 2018 12:51 PM BST

Apr 11, 2018 -- 1:31AM, akabula wrote:


One word Facts. Immigration.


Immigration is responsible for underfunding of the police?

Report STUDYFORM April 11, 2018 1:24 PM BST
The immigration to the UK hasn't only just begun.
I grew up in east London, there were immigrants in whole communities, as they are now. The same applied 100 years ago.

The obsession with immigration seen all over this forum (and coincidentally all over the Daily Mail) is blinding people to all OTHER problems.

Please don't read anything into what I've written (again), it doesn't make me a supporter of anything, nor a closet imam or Polish cockle picker, it's just that immigration is NOT the reason for all our problems. Nor is it Benefit scroungers - which was the last media/government campaign to keep the masses united.
Report PorcupineorPineapple April 11, 2018 1:29 PM BST
Government always needs a section of society to blame to divert attention from their own failings. Twas ever thus.
Report woundedknee April 11, 2018 1:51 PM BST
these murders must be 90% black on black .. yet the lefties dont want black youths being stopped and searched .. so what the fcuk are old bill sposed to do  ? they wont dare target the religion of peace youth.. could always target eastern europeans.. seeing as Lammy has accused them of being behind all the drugs.
Report STUDYFORM April 11, 2018 1:52 PM BST
Ahh, those awful (invisible unnamed) lefties.... again!!!!!
Report Dotchinite April 11, 2018 2:06 PM BST
Yes a lack of Police turned these wonderful people into murderous scum.
Report Dr Crippen April 11, 2018 2:30 PM BST
Dotchinite nails it.
Report STUDYFORM April 11, 2018 2:31 PM BST
No murders have ever happened before have they?
There seem to be more now though. I don't think immigrant numbers have increased this year, but police numbers have definitely DEcreased.

The gang stuff and "black on black" stuff mentioned earlier would have little to do with immigration would it?
Given that many gang members are 3rd or 4th generation - only going back in time could stop the perceived problem.
Report Dr Crippen April 11, 2018 2:39 PM BST
Does anyone know how many bobbies on the beat London has lost?

I heard on the radio that it was very few so far.
Report posy April 11, 2018 2:40 PM BST
Anyone with an IQ over 70 knows this is a male black problem. Unless the police are either let off the leash and given the go ahead to shoot to kill or everyone 'suspected' of being a gang member is deported the issue will remain with us.If Enoch were still around he'd 'seem to see the River Thames foaming with much blood'.
Report detraveller April 11, 2018 2:41 PM BST
People will always blame the things they are programmed to blame. Remember the refugee crisis? Everyone was busy bashing the refugees and no one bothered about why the govts were inviting them(which they were). Nobody learnt from that episode and its unlikely people will learn it anytime soon. Politicians will keep milking you.
Report Dr Crippen April 11, 2018 2:41 PM BST
If you've got zero officers on the beat to start with, how can talk of reducing their numbers make any difference?
Report sofiakenny April 11, 2018 3:19 PM BST
Our Jockanese London expert ackietim actually lives ina midge infested wee village fairly close to Oban.Laugh
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 3:24 PM BST
any murders there?
Report sofiakenny April 11, 2018 3:29 PM BST
nope!Laugh
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 3:36 PM BST
if you transferred the population of oban or akas small village to London would there be any murderers ?

I don't know
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 3:38 PM BST
and perhaps transferred some of the Londoners to oban, then would there be any murders?
I don't know
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 3:40 PM BST
It would be an interesting experiment, oh wait many that's what we are doing, in london
Report STUDYFORM April 11, 2018 3:43 PM BST

Apr 11, 2018 -- 2:41PM, detraveller wrote:


People will always blame the things they are programmed to blame. Remember the refugee crisis? Everyone was busy bashing the refugees and no one bothered about why the govts were inviting them(which they were). Nobody learnt from that episode and its unlikely people will learn it anytime soon. Politicians will keep milking you.


This applies to nearly every subject and problem.

People are SO susceptible to programming.

Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 3:44 PM BST
my guess would be that if London was populated by Scottish people from Oban, it would have close to zero murders, just my guess
Report STUDYFORM April 11, 2018 3:45 PM BST
Built into the programming is a way to deal with dissenters as well.
They aren't in the programme - they're "snowflakes, lefties, sympathisers", etc etc
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 3:46 PM BST
they are the programme, they are not the dissenters
Report STUDYFORM April 11, 2018 3:51 PM BST
London is a city with about the population of Uruguay and Norway combined, but in an area too small for that many people.
They aren't all immigrants, there isn't a decent infrastructure for the population.

The entire population of Oban would fit into a few streets in Walthamstow and wouldn't even be noticed.
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 3:53 PM BST
well done study you've pointed out the obvious and misse3d the point..again

let me explain if Oban had 8 million people the same as the people of Oban now
and the 8 million were transferred to London then imo there would be close to zero murderers
Report Injera April 11, 2018 3:57 PM BST
Jamaica had 1600 murders last year. Would more Plod halve that?
Report STUDYFORM April 11, 2018 3:57 PM BST
Possibly.
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 4:00 PM BST
police don't stop crime, it is their job to punish it that's all
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 4:01 PM BST
that's simply how it is in a free society
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 4:05 PM BST
in a free society a certain amount of crime can be tolerated, even not worried about
but it is the nature of that crime that is` important, it is increasingly viscous and barbaric and dangerous , that is down to the type of people within the society
because a free society is at the mercy of those within that society to be at least fairly human
Report Facts April 11, 2018 4:42 PM BST
Dr Crippen    11 Apr 18 14:39 
Does anyone know how many bobbies on the beat London has lost?

I heard on the radio that it was very few so far.



I've read reports that budgets cuts relate to c4000 officers.
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 4:53 PM BST
Its called anarchy
Report Dr Crippen April 11, 2018 5:19 PM BST
That wasn't the question FACTs.

You've read that Khan predicts 4,000 fewer officers.

I asked how many had been cut.
Report Dr Crippen April 11, 2018 5:22 PM BST
If Khan wasn't so keen on turning London roads into bicycle tracks, he'd have more money to spend on the police force.
Report saddo April 11, 2018 5:49 PM BST
STUDYFORM    11 Apr 18 14:31

The gang stuff and "black on black" stuff mentioned earlier would have little to do with immigration would it?
Given that many gang members are 3rd or 4th generation - only going back in time could stop the perceived problem.



We also have second and third generation Muslims trying to kill us. Nothing to do with immigration? I'd say it shows us that some people will never integrate and that immigration has damaged the country.
Report Injera April 11, 2018 5:51 PM BST
The notion that more police = less crime is flawed.

The main reason crime doesn't occur is people choosing not to. People respect each other, our town, city and country.

I could go to the kitchen, take a knife and stab someone on the street and no amount of Plod would stop that.

Immigration is a key factor. I don't care if it's 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation immigrants. VERY few integrate. The ones that do leave behind former cultures. Retain the culture and they retain the problems asociated with that culture.

That's why I bang on about Jamaica's murder epidemic and Africa's poverty. Bring these people here and you bring poverty and murder.

Bring the Chinese here and you get great food and hard workers, but don't expect them to love cricket or scones.
Report saddo April 11, 2018 5:56 PM BST
Very well put Injera.
Report moisok April 11, 2018 5:58 PM BST
the authorities simply do not want to deal with it and lack the will/conviction to do anything - add that there are  too many votes for politicians to lose
Report Roquebrune April 11, 2018 6:07 PM BST
What's Jeremy's solution,anyone know?
Report Ibrahima Sonko April 11, 2018 6:08 PM BST
As New York proved you need get tough policies, if you dont start at low level crime then it will have a knock on affect. Our police dont even turn up for robberies, what signal does that send out ?
Report akabula April 11, 2018 7:08 PM BST
Murder fee zone up here and can't remember the last crime committed in my village.
We have very few immigrants up the West Coast. Not sure if that's a factor. Cool
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 7:22 PM BST
Heres another beaut from Studyform :
many have been here 3 or 4 generations so its got nothing to do with immigration Laugh

heaven help us
Report akabula April 11, 2018 7:24 PM BST
Laugh
Report Dr Crippen April 11, 2018 7:30 PM BST
STUDY does post some amusing stuff if you take the trouble to read.
Dead serious as well.
Report donny osmond April 11, 2018 7:36 PM BST
murder rate in london was higher in 1990 than it is today

quite a spike this year, so far, ...tit for tat gang related?

out of hand,

a new sheriff needed ....
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 7:38 PM BST
who was doing the murders back then?
maybe they've been released already
Report donny osmond April 11, 2018 7:39 PM BST
as for intergrating into london..

gang violence proves they are intergrating,

you just need watch eastenders to know its all that happens in landen
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 7:42 PM BST
quite right its always been that way, although its much worse now
And no longer is capable of producing anything good like the rolling stones
terrible place
Report moisok April 11, 2018 7:42 PM BST
disgraceful spiv propaganda

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/revealed-sadiq-khan-took-donations-from-property-firm-which-put-tenants-lives-at-risk-a3219961.html
Report donny osmond April 11, 2018 7:47 PM BST
new gangs had to up their game to displace old gangs

too much competition, too many riches to be had dealing drugs and the like

prohibition isnt working
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 7:51 PM BST
Too dangerous to decriminalise drugs, already too many cases` of mental health issues
Tougher sentences required
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 7:53 PM BST
combine drugs with the  mental health of people in London and that's a recipe for disaster
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 8:00 PM BST
Its advantageous to a criminal to say he has a drug dependency,
they all are told to say it, softer sentences
Report donny osmond April 11, 2018 8:00 PM BST
there are imigrants elsewhere in the uk, but not the same murder rate
at the moment, as in london

making drugs illegal fuels crime, education and control as with more harmful cigarettes and alcohol
is surely the way forward
Report lfc1971 April 11, 2018 8:05 PM BST
cigarettes and alcohol do more good than harm for the mind, well at least if the person is relatively sane
drugs can destroy a sane mind and every other type of mind as well, its a very different thing
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