George Alagiah - cancer

Bastard of a Disease

Scotland different gravy..

Also in England its every two years after the age of 60.

too much pressure on our health service in England, don't know why

It's every two years in Scotland, not every year.  It is from age 50 though.

LFC, I can't imagine either ...

On his wage, why didnt he go private? Surely the NHS is there for people who arent paid 250 k a year and he should have some onus on himself to get health checks done rather than rely on the state. That said, have sympathy with him but if he was concerned could have been proactive himself...

Absolutely, Wolf.

In Scotland, patients are routinely screened for bowel cancer every year from the age of 50, whereas in the rest of the UK they don't start until 60


''Patients are screened'' Shouldn't that be ''members of the public who are willing to be screened?''

Same as in England, many people don't choose to do the blood in poo tests and undergo the following endoscopies operation.

Wolf - think you are missing the point. At the age of 50 he would probably would have had no symptoms but the screening ( poo test) could have picked up minute traces of blood and caught it early. NHS are rolling out a Bowel Scope Screening test which will be offered to people aged 55.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/bowel-cancer-screening/bowel-scope-screening/

Perhaps after his experience people will take the earliest opportunity to be tested

''endoscopies''
That should be colonoscopy.

Yes wolf,
I'm always amazed at people on high incomes who use the NHS instead of paying for private healthcare.

What's the point of all their money if they still take second best?

One reason for the difference in care. Scotland five million. England fifty three million !

I  used to use private health care myself but due to dwindling finances now have to rely on the shambles that is the NHS. I phoned last week for a GP appointment at my local place in Bury and the earliest they could get me in was late April. I have sympathy for anyone with cancer but earning 250 k a year , he should have private health checks and actually think the NHS should be means tested for those who earn below a certain income... I'm not talking about emergency ambulance treatment but no one on his salary should be clogging up NHS waiting rooms for screens.

the ignorance of this thread knows no bounds

George Aligiah was first diagnosed in 2014 wiv bowel cancer - he beat it only for it to return as a secondary cancer 2 yrs later - he beat it again only for it to return early this year - his secondary cancer was Liver cancer where he had no less than 8 legions in his liver - he was treated and responded well again and beat it - sadly its returned a third time and this time it looks like its gona beat him

God forbid some of you sad fcuks that think otherwise but this disease knows no bounds - I am going thru the exaxct same programme as him so yeah call me touchy if you like but ive got the blue peter badge -got the bowel cancer 2015 - self diagnosed so caught early doors - ileostomy bag put on then removed mar17 - all clear oct 2017 then gallbladder out and legions caught on liver - currently having vicious chemo to clean the whole system and when I say its not very nice then times it by 5 or even 10 times

Bobby Robson beat the fecker 7 times and its not a subject for left/right agendas cos the NHS is the biggest lie they will ever tell you

ps the NHS aint a shambles wolf and trust me ive had Bupa insurance for 20 yrs plus

I had Blood in Urine Feb Last year Had a cancerous Tumour Removed from my Bladder 4 weeks Later ,One. I have been very lucky that I passed the Blood in the Day and seen it ,2 Fantastic service from the NHS ,I was still clear on my last Check 3 weeks back ,and no need to go back for 12 months will do a Pish test in 6 months ,the NHS minimum saved my Bladder ,and probably   my Life .I am far from out of the Woods but getting the first year clear is Massive, BC has and 80 % return rate 50 % usually in the first year, So I have gone from 5 on to 2 against Long may it last

The treatment I have received from the NHS was fantastic ,Others I have met on my Journey over the past 12 months on a BC forum
have not been so lucky ,some with a Simular initial Diagnosis do not have the same outlook some from the States also struggling to
cover the Medical Fees which are Rediculous ..

Also in the past 12 months I passed blood heavily from the Rear and had some stomach problems So went through the whole rigmarole for that in about 3 weeks ,thankfully nothing was found just a few internal farmers   It has been an interesting 12 months to say the Least

G luck Smirn , on the other Forum I was on ,there was Guy said, once you have had it the only real certainty of it not returning is if Something else Kills you I shouldn't laugh but make him about Right ,I was very very lucky Smirn ,
Chin up mate and Keep going

Case I got all clear from colonoscopy in Oct -no return from bowel cancer only to have the bad news in dec - ive now had 3 sessions of chemo -3rd one today which has made me a ratty bastard cos it was a tough one - but what those girls/men go thru to make us comfy is beyond the call of duty and anyone that derides the NHS  wants to give their heads a shake cos what they get paid is nowhere near enough and thank our lucky stars its there in the first place no matter what the lefties/righties think about it

I cudnt giv a flying fook what either side thinks about the nhs but one things for sure there are very few negs when you need em and that's a fact simples

Case I got all clear from colonoscopy in Oct -no return from bowel cancer only to have the bad news in dec - ive now had 3 sessions of chemo -3rd one today which has made me a ratty bastard cos it was a tough one - but what those girls/men go thru to make us comfy is beyond the call of duty and anyone that derides the NHS  wants to give their heads a shake cos what they get paid is nowhere near enough and thank our lucky stars its there in the first place no matter what the lefties/righties think about it

I cudnt giv a flying fook what either side thinks about the nhs but one things for sure there are very few negs when you need em and that's a fact simples

Spot on Smirn  , and bring on another all Clear for you when Chemo has been completed

Nhs 2nd to None

Mar 28, 2018 -- 12:25AM, smirnoff2therescue wrote:

ps the NHS aint a shambles wolf and trust me ive had Bupa insurance for 20 yrs plus

Not getting a doctors appointment for 5 weeks is a fcking shambles... try telling kids that cant get cancer drugs due to the state of it that it isn't a shambles. Just because you struck lucky means fck all with the NHS, its a post code lottery.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/baby-died-after-delayed-caesarean-6457077

Try telling the parents of this baby the merits of the NHS... we all have different expriences but if you took your head out of your ar/se you would realise the NHS is chronically overstretched and for many unfit for purpose. You can lay the blame at many things, immigration and increasing numbers the main issue IMO but doesn't alter the problems and the state of healthcare in 2018 England

There are desperate cases that Happen wolf , I have known many people that have been very ill and treated by the NHS In most cases  the very best was done for them . In a few it would not have mattered where they were treated ...

The only reasons for things being overstretched Are a Shortage of Staff or too many Customers, for what ever reason that may be , in any business ..

I know if a Person is Gravely ill where they go and get help .. Free of charge ...

wolf I have no idea where you live but the greater chance of survival I wud guess is actually the further North you go - I can only speak as I find and I paid£42 a mth into a bupa/clinical illness policy for years cos when I sold it it was a 1 in 4 chance and yet it never picked up my missus illness until it was almost too late
ps the chances of getting it are now in one in two so g/l but I shall refrain from further conversation with you

And heres the joker in the pack for those that thinks its their life style


think of a 4-5yr old kid that gets this bastard disease - have they took too many drugs too many bears or two many jelly babies ffs

*beers

Best wishes to you both, casemoney and Smirnoff. Cancer is a terrible disease.
Thank God for our NHS. All the people who work there are the real heroes in this country.
It is a national disgrace that our Government is hell bent on destroying it.
It is they that are a ' shambles ' not the NHS.

Echoing Facts sentiments, I wish you both well for the future. I lost my wife fifteen and a half years ago, my best man/mate four years later. Fxxking horrible disease regards private medical it is my understanding if you have something wrong with you, you end up back with the BHS. Only difference being you have your own room and a telly.

I don't doubt that people can get cancer for various reasons, and some a lot more than others.

The case of the 4-5year old kid getting it, does not mean that all reasons suspected for causing cancer should be discounted.

A theory put forward by T. Campbell the researcher and others, suggests that a high protein intake is potentially a cause of cancer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEWAf6sOGv0

In one study he made he said they gave rats tumors then fed them protein in varying degrees.
The tumors grew when the protein was increased, but growth was halted as protein was reduced.

Interesting work from T Campbell who certainly points his finger at diet.

Of course he's been attacked by the animal food industry for his views.

All the best to casemoney and smirnoff hope you lads get/keep everything under control.

Dr Crippen very interesting piece to me as I consume Casein daily having just gone back on a very low carb/keto diet but had reduced protein intentionally with more greens added thinking I was doing the right thing health wise.
I'd appreciate any good links and info regarding plant based nutrition as you know I'm interested in learning anything beneficial health wise.

Theres no doubt that diet can /will play a big part in this horrible disease for many people but its only one part of a complex puzzle that is the human body becos all of us are uniquely different - some people can drink themselves to death at an early age whilst others can do the same and live to be a hundred - similarly wiv smoking whilst we all know the damage it can do I think the vast majority of population are still smokers - cud be wrong on that as ive never smoked but do know theres been a vast reduction in actual smokers.
And then if you move onto the food industry its clear that they have a lot to answer for in the large increase in cancer cases from the pesticides and other things they use to grow fruit and veg these days right down to all the other sorts of gunk they put into the food we eat -its a never ending cycle and maybe one of the reasons that despite the great advances in cancer treatments more and more people are being diagnosed with the disease - 1 in 2 are likely to be diagnosed nowadays as opposed to 1 in 4 barely 20 yrs ago depending what figures you look at.
Also the politics involved in treating these diseases is indeed criminal - in my case I again got lucky in that I qualified for one of these clinical trial drugs (that seemingly cost thousands due to chemical giants holding NHS to ransom in most cases) plainly down to the protein levels in my genes being susceptible to reacting positively to the drug - thankfully I passed the initial tests and was lucky enough that there was funding available to give me a better chance of success but in this day and age this shoudnt be the case but as long as the NHS continues to be used as a political football then things will never improve to a satisfactory level.
I'm fairly passionate about these things for personal reasons and I could go on and on about things but its actually quite tiring typing it out so shall leave it there but please never have a go at the guys n girls on the shop floor as it were cos the jobs they do are amazing really considering what they are up against
Just my opinion though

Denzil theres so much info out there its almost frightening and if you followed everything to letter of law then you would be left wiv nowt to eat but berries and nuts - everything in moderation I suppose is the way to go

The NHS needs better management,one report I read says they recruited 1300 more suits but lost 400 nurses,strange priorities but anyone in big organisations will recognise the Empire building syndrome when a secretary is needed more than an engineer or technician.
One aspect of cancer that bothers me is when the missus talked with an aussie consultant on her way to visit Oz and she reckoned genetics played a more important part than many realised.We had done a lot of genealogy research and found that ALL of her family had gone from cancers but most of mine had gone from heart problems(had mine,a warning it seems just afterwards).Lifestyle may obviously be a factor but we still haven't really found the trigger for this horrible disease.

smirnoff berries and nuts mightn't be a bad idea for me I'm too heavy and have been a bit vain not wanting to look skinny-fat and losing too much muscle tissue but now I'm going to go the health first route.

Denzil, John McDougall is one of the strongest supporters of a plant based diet.

He has a lot to say about the deleterious effects of eating animal products.
There's a link on the right hand side of that YouTube page I gave earlier.
The video is called Death by Dairy or the Perils of Dairy. 

Some eye opening stuff right there.

Thanks

Best wishes to Casemoney and Smirnoff. Sincerely hoping that your treatment will be completely successful.

Dr Crippen have watched the Death By Dairy video I was shocked tbh and feel like a bit of a t it given the amount of dairy in my diet changes ensue cheers

What's interesting there Denzil, are the studies sponsored by the milk industry to confirm the claims that drinking milk supplies the body with calcium.
When the results of the tests confirmed nothing of the sort.

Their excuse for the greater bone loss in the group of postmenstrual women who drank the three glasses of milk per day, was the higher intake of protein.

It's known that eating protein makes the body acidic, this is neutralised by using calcium pulled out of the bones.
Hence the greater bone loss in the test group who drank the skimmed milk.

Yet they still tell us to drink milk for its calcium content which is supposed to give us strong bones and teeth, which is completely unfounded.

The white blood cell puss levels and bacteria were something I had no idea about the only time I'd heard that mentioned before was when I debated an infected tooth with the dentist.

What I'm still unsure of is whether to ditch Whey protein (I've got about 14KG left) I can't find the right sort of answer as most info is based on Casein and as you know Milk protein is 20% Whey.
There are positive searches but until you get right into it you don't find out who and why if you know what I mean.

On a video I've got on Colin Campbell has just said "we don't need whey" that's good enough for me.

Thanks for the Wishes  Everyone , As I said I was very lucky to catch it early ,It was a Grade 2 Tumour so the Quicker they got the bastard out the Better   I was actually home in doors same day (If You can Pish and not too much blood you can Escape) Sitting Drinking a JD at 11 Pm, not recommended , but fck it was my thoughts ..

Just Like to say Lads any Sign of Blood in the Urine ,Straight down the Docs Fckin disease is Brutal if it takes hold ..   

And every chance it is Just a Kidney infection .

I think most people would reach for the hard stuff well done for having enough about you to go it's easy to say what you would do when there's nothing up.

It was extraordinary Denzil .I was Actually Going to a Funeral  when the Blood arrived so was at home with the Mrs she made me Go docs ,it never showed again before the OP ,Even that Night I said Im alright to her no more Blood ,she said are you fck you are going the Docs ,Im booking appointment for you ,Had I let it go, Lord only knows at what point I would have realised there was something seriously Wrong ..

Thank fck for strong women eh

I wish you both all the very best with your recoveries, Case & Smirn.

One of my aunts recommended Chris Woollams to me when I was diagnosed with head & neck six years ago.

First link's for his website, second forone of his books I have and the third seems quite new as I only noticed it last week.

https://www.canceractive.com/index.aspx
https://www.canceractive.com/cancer-active-page-link.aspx?n=3211
https://www.chriswoollamshealthwatch.com/

I can highly recommend him to anyone with cancer.  He sends out a very informative newsletter if you sign up.

Just goes to show with the Pat Smullen news in horseracing world that this disease discriminates against no-one .
Pretty sure he will have had a fairly strict diet to follow becos of his profession and yet although they haven't used the big C word as yet in his case its fairly certain that's what it is .
Case you did the right thing in going when you did becos as soon as you can catch it gives you a better chance of surviving it -in my case I was lucky -if you can ever be lucky with this- in that I caught my initial bowel cancer at stage 1 after looking up my symptoms (blood in my stools and urgent need to go coming on from nowhere causing a cupla near misses/accidents).
When talking to my mates they were just saying things like I had probs just cut myself wiv loo paper etc when wiping but I knew it was more than that so went online and looked up my symptoms which pointed me very much towards bowel cancer so off to docs I went for the obligatory finger up the bum routine and he gave me the great news that he cudnt feel anything but wud send me for a colonoscopy just to be safe - and thank fook he did cos that procedure allowed them to catch it early . My tumour was in lower rectal area so again I was lucky in that they were able to cut out the tumour and still have just enough room to tie the bowel back together wiv ileostomy bag reversal some 16mths later - from there whilst I was recovering from that op I developed gallstones and becos of serious nature of my previous illness it was decided they take the gallbladder out. So only then did they then find the tumours that had spread to my liver as a secondary cancer and further scans proved I had not one but two tumours in my liver as well as a growth in my stomach on left hand side which showed up as non cancerous on PET scan which is a head scratcher as it is behaving wiv all the characteristics of being cancerous.
So at present I'm now undergoing extensive chemo whereby I have to undergo 6 sessions at present which involves a full day at hospital every 2-3 weeks then being sent home wiv a canister attached to a hickman line which drip feeds another drug into me for next 48hrs before a district nurse pops along to detach it all -currently due to happen to me as I type this later on today.
All I can say is to vouch for what Casemoney said earlier and that is to go and get yourself checked out early if ya body is giving you tell tale signs that things aren't as they shud be cos it cud save you a whole lotta bother further down the line and don't be afraid to open up to friends and family etc cos a problem shared is a problem halved and all that

A stat I heard on the radio yesterday was that the NHS costs 88% of income tax paid.

And 10% of NHS costs are down to diabetes.  (90% of it is type 2).

Came from a politician, so would need to be checked.

If anyone uses one of those self test kits and blood is found in their poo, there's no need to panic.
Traces of blood in poo can be causes by many things.

"poo" - that's what really does my head in with these testing kits.  Why not "faeces"?

or "stool" ... even "doo-doo"'s better!

and "jobbies" for viewers in Scotland

Yes trilby I agree.
The doctor gave me some tablets once for piles, he told me to put them in my back passage.
I did exactly that, and for all the good it did I might as well have stuck them up my arse.

....disease discriminates against no-one

you don't see many heads of state or members of royalty dying of the disease

2 outta the last 3 serving kings/queens suggests otherwise - despite their priveliges they are not immune - plenty other cases as well not so high up the pecking order as well as press stories being surpressed by the hierarchy of others
#justsayinglike

^^^^ Oh silly me, I should've checked the chain-smoking monarchs of 60 plus years ago. The only thing thats being suppressed by the 'hierarchy' is the cure

as I say do ya research b4 making a t1t of yaself

sex lives and videotape an all that on here as it were ..... sorry you were wrong ....not my fault

Members of state and Royalty are not generally mugs, and probably follow the health advice given by experts a lot closer than would cannon fodder.

With all the billions of pounds and dollars that's gone into cancer research you'd expect better results than they've achieved.
So where does the money go?

A large chunk must go into developing new drugs to combat the disease. So that in itself isn't much of an incentive to publicise the causes and try to prevent it in the first place.

Members of state and Royalty are not generally mugs, and probably follow the health advice given by experts a lot closer than would cannon fodder.


You think so Doc and here was I thinking on a Saturday Liz would be of the sofa, **** hanging out of her gob, having stuffed her face on Iceland sausages. Watching Ant and Dec like the rest of us

ufcdan, you only have to look at them to see what I mean.
Take the Royals. How many of them are even overweight let alone obese?

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=the+royal+family&id=3E07986F160D5707B432B743252CE84E42FFFDE8&FORM=IQFRBA

Compare them with average working class cattle.

Of course Crippen when they have a cold its on the national news and bulletins are given out every day , the reason they live longer and have less disease is because they have endless wealth and the best food and doctors money can by, plus they have less stress as well

Would imagine they drink alcohol most days also eat meat everyday as well and lots of it,makes you wonder if stress is a major contributor as the most strenuous thing she does is pick her nose and wipe her arse..